tamc93 said:

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FIDO 96 said:

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A basic phase 1 ESA will have photo records going back to the 40s. It's not like you can hide your illegal dumping. Just don't plan to sell your land and you'll be fine. What you do on your own property is up to you, but eventually if you want to make your property someone else's, then you have to pay the cost of the illegal dump.

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I have been involved in numerous deals, where this was not identified and not even an issue. In fact I can probably count on one hand the deals that went beyond a simple Phase 1 and most of the time it was due to the use of a facility.

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Uneducated purchasers.

eric76 said:

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rather be fishing said:

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From an environmental professional: if you every intend to sell the property, you will most likely be asked to divulge whether or not there has been a "dump" on the property. If you dig a hole and dump your trash in there, your answers should be yes to that question. Satellite photography will likely provide evidence that you had a dump, so lying about it is up to your discretion. In order to sell, you may be asked to remediate the dump.

Use this information as you see fit.

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What happens if someone pours a foundation over the dump and builds a 5,000 square foot garage on top of it?

Also, what about farms that once had underground gasoline tanks or above ground diesel tanks?

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Then you have the potential for vapor intrusion into a confined space because there's no barrier beneath the slab.

Well we know who hates that the EPA is under trump now instead on Obama

Freaking environmental losers

No one cares about ESAs

Since you are in the process of purchasing the property, why not have the current land owner haul off the trash as a condition to your purchase?
if there is one trash pile then odds are there may be others that are buried. I wouldn't want to have to pay the cost to clean up after someone else.

The current landowner is my wife's grandparents so I would still be involved whether it's done before or after.

nonameag99 said:

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Well we know who hates that the EPA is under trump now instead on Obama

Freaking environmental losers

No one cares about ESAs

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Looking in the mirror much?

RCR06 said:

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Can't tell you how many places thought at one point that digging a hole and buying stuff was the answer. 40 years later they pay millions to try and correct the problem.

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And for this, we thank them!

Bury it and forget about it.

I'd haul to your local metal recycling place. You dont potentially have to worry about it years later, and if the price of scrap iron is decent at the time, you make a few bucks while making the place look a lot better.

We hauled 4 trailer loads (all 2K+ pounds each) in 2 days to Bryan iron and metal off Dad's place a few months ago and got over $800 for it, was nice when even tin was over $7 a cwt. Took another load a couple weeks ago and metal must've really gone down quite a bit cause we didnt get near the money, but its worth it in how much better the farm is looking now.

FIDO 96 said:

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rather be fishing said:

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From an environmental professional: if you every intend to sell the property, you will most likely be asked to divulge whether or not there has been a "dump" on the property. If you dig a hole and dump your trash in there, your answers should be yes to that question. Satellite photography will likely provide evidence that you had a dump, so lying about it is up to your discretion. In order to sell, you may be asked to remediate the dump.

Use this information as you see fit.

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This. You would be surprised the number of times I've had to go back to a landowner and knock $300-$500K off the purchase price because we found an old "trash pile". It always starts with, "just some old junk around the house" and then we find batteries, barrels, household garage, etc. After having to delay closing to do a Phase 2 ESI, we then have to calculatethe overall size of the dump and then pay to have it excavated, sorted and taken to specified landfills. The tab alway goes back to the original land owner in the form of a haircut.

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Does it depend if the dump is near the house? I assumed everyone with a ranch did this. What other option is there?

Donate scrap to the wall

Is any of the junk metal C-panel barn siding or roofing? I'm looking for weathered/rusted C-panel that can be in any condition, but mostly flat and unbent for reuse.

You're doing it wrong. Put a listing on craigslist for "Yard decorations" for pickup only and charge people $200 per implement. People with ranchettes in Austin will be beating your door down.

PFG said:

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Is any of the junk metal C-panel barn siding or roofing? I'm looking for weathered/rusted C-panel that can be in any condition, but mostly flat and unbent for reuse.

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There is some tin but it got bent up pretty good in a recent storm.

Tin you say?

You call it tin. Some people call it subsidized housing for snakes and black widow spiders.

PFG said:

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Is any of the junk metal C-panel barn siding or roofing? I'm looking for weathered/rusted C-panel that can be in any condition, but mostly flat and unbent for reuse.

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I doubt you'd be interested for the amount of $$ and labor involved, but I've got a whole industrial building covered with 7/8" corrugated 'C' from the '70s (heavy gauge) that has significant surface rust. This is in Central Texas, and not on the coast. The other buildings that were constructed at the same time are fine. Go figure.

The rusty roof is sound, however.

The rub is that I'd need the panels replaced with new stuff, so that's why I doubt you'd be interested.

OTOH, if you're interested ...

You find someone to replace, I'll absolutely pitch in on the labor to remove and haul off.

How rusty are we talking? Full coverage or mixed patches

PFG said:

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You find someone to replace, I'll absolutely pitch in on the labor to remove and haul off.

How rusty are we talking? Full coverage or mixed patches

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The roof is now uniformly rusty on the outside. The inside, OTOH, looks great.

I just bought (for another project) 20 sheets of 26 gauge galvalume 'C' 2.67" x 7/8" corrugated (3' x 12') and it was a little over $1/sq ft.

So, on a 7,200 sq ft (floor) building, I'd probably be looking at around $10-$12K material cost, which really isn't bad.

But, having to pay most of the labor to tear off and replace would make the project a no go for me, at least since it's currently just a cosmetic issue.

Thanks for the offer, though.

BTW, what are you using the rusty/weathered stuff for?

Not really

Lol

PFG is looking for rusted tin but posts that he is looking for rusted c panel

nonameag99 said:

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Well we know who hates that the EPA is under trump now instead on Obama

Freaking environmental losers

No one cares about ESAs

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Banks who loan money to buy property care quite a bit about ESAs.

Going to use it as a siding on a shed barn. Much like this:

Snake hunter still going strong I see. Be careful you crazy mofo

Just post on Craigslist that it is free stuff, or just sell it. Both are easy solutions.

OP needs a foundry.

schmellba99 said:

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HCHunter said:

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schmellba99 said:

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Find a metal recycling place near you and call them. If it works out, they will bring and haul off the dumpster for you and reduce the rental,cost. It usually takes at least 1/4 of a 20 yard to break even on cost, after that you get whatever the going rate is for scrap metal.

All depends on distance, availability, etc. Of it is not an option, haul off on a trailer to the dump or recycle,center, or,dig a big hole and bury.

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Im thinking more like 40yd type container. I think anything metal they ever touched went into these piles.

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Wont hurt to call and see the availability. We always end up with scrap on my projects, usually make a decent amount of extra cash off of 6-10 haul offs. I think we made about $9k on this project off of about 10 dumpsters.

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Post hijack. ..Schmelba- id like to bid on future scrap and surplus if interested.
Jftx98 at hotmail dot com

OP...scrap yards down south pay a lot less. Estimate trucking costs at 750 per truck to SA or Victoria, or 1100 to Houston. 46,000 pound per truck limit. PM if u need some contacts or have any questions.

It will likely be less expensive to let a scrap vulture haul off most your stuff for free and then pay for a large dumpster for the odds & ends than to rent a dozer and paying any associated labor if you aren't the one operating it. On the scrap vulture, make sure to use someone who does metal recycling for a living. Most areas have someone.

Plus, making your property into a landfill is just stupid and lazy. Not to mention shameful if you really care about that piece of earth being left better than you found it.

Buried scrap is a very time consuming and expensive endeavor to clean up.

I am currently looking for landmines at work and you would not believe the amount of scrap piles we are finding instead. All of which have to be dug up and disposed of. Everything from random metal pieces to a whole engine block to what we believe was an entire metal shed. It's a pain to put it very lightly.

Scrap yard is the best answer IMO.

Advanced classification for the win?

I've spent more than a decade on the land management committee for a land conservancy in Texas. One of my main functions on the committee when an application for a conservation easement comes through, is scouring old aerials looking for potential old junkyard. Amd no we will not count throwing old metal crap in a ravine as an erosion control practice (we have gotten that several times).