Trying to mix up some cerakote to cover pelican cases - what mixtures have yall had luck with in terms of an Aggie maroon?
Maroon cerakote mixture?
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I spent a long time developing my color so I don't give the exact ratios to anyone. I will tell you that you need a red, a blue, and a black.
Damn good Ag right there.
skelso said:
I spent a long time developing my color so I don't give the exact ratios to anyone. I will tell you that you need a red, a blue, and a black.
Hard to tell if serious....
Shame they don't have a cerakote section, Todd.
I recognize that some shops have put a great deal of work into dialing this in and don't want to give it to their competitors. I'm not a shop - just a guy making 3 commemorative cases for old roommates. If anyone can point me in the right direction, it would mean a lot.
I recognize that some shops have put a great deal of work into dialing this in and don't want to give it to their competitors. I'm not a shop - just a guy making 3 commemorative cases for old roommates. If anyone can point me in the right direction, it would mean a lot.
Yep, I'm serious. I used to do a lot of Cerakote work, more KG Gunkote now. I got a lot of requests for Maroon but Cerakote didn't have one and wanted an insane amount to custom blend. Having no artistic background, I bought a book, a color wheel, and a bunch of base colors and started mixing with an eye dropper until I found the ratio I like best.
I've given the OP a starting point that should save some time. With those 3 bases, you can get many different shades of maroon. Just have to keep experimenting until you find the one you like.
If OP is planning to spray H series (bake cure) might consider KG Gunkote University Red w/ low temp additive.
I've given the OP a starting point that should save some time. With those 3 bases, you can get many different shades of maroon. Just have to keep experimenting until you find the one you like.
If OP is planning to spray H series (bake cure) might consider KG Gunkote University Red w/ low temp additive.
If you are a pro and selling your mix, I get that you don't give it away.
If not, I can't think of a more miserable stance than you needing everyone else to have to go through the grief just because you did.
If not, I can't think of a more miserable stance than you needing everyone else to have to go through the grief just because you did.
1990AG said:
If you are a pro and selling your mix, I get that you don't give it away.
If not, I can't think of a more miserable stance than you needing everyone else to have to go through the grief just because you did.
He does sell it. Hints why he would rather not give the exact mixture. Kinda like Cheddars spinach dip, Canes sauce, etc....
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If you are a pro and selling your mix, I get that you don't give it away
"Hints" why I started with this...
If you are a pro and selling your mix, I get that you don't give it away
"Hints" why I started with this...
Why bother replying to tell him you know how to make it but won't give it to anyone? Telling him 3 basic colors is about as useful as telling someone your chili recipe has meat, tomatoes, and peppers.skelso said:
I spent a long time developing my color so I don't give the exact ratios to anyone. I will tell you that you need a red, a blue, and a black.
Y'all are reading my reply all wrong... read any other thread I have responded to on the OB and you'll see I generally try to be helpful. That is what I am trying to do here but I'm guessing I should have just scrolled past and left him to wonder...
While I will not give up my exact ratios, I am trying to point him in the right direction. From there he has to experiment to find the ratio right for him. If he's using c series, my ratios probably won't give the desired outcome anyway. How he preps the surface will make a difference as well. Is he scuffing with scotchbright pad or sand blasting? Is he laying down a base coat, or spraying directly on top of the color of the case? If the latter, what color is the polymer, yellow, black, tan, etc. These are all factors that influence the final outcome.
When I started, I was left to guess what base colors to use and I kept ending up with a rust brown color. That was until I realized blue and red make purple and black deepens it.
While I will not give up my exact ratios, I am trying to point him in the right direction. From there he has to experiment to find the ratio right for him. If he's using c series, my ratios probably won't give the desired outcome anyway. How he preps the surface will make a difference as well. Is he scuffing with scotchbright pad or sand blasting? Is he laying down a base coat, or spraying directly on top of the color of the case? If the latter, what color is the polymer, yellow, black, tan, etc. These are all factors that influence the final outcome.
When I started, I was left to guess what base colors to use and I kept ending up with a rust brown color. That was until I realized blue and red make purple and black deepens it.
Obviously not a small business owner.1990AG said:
If you are a pro and selling your mix, I get that you don't give it away.
If not, I can't think of a more miserable stance than you needing everyone else to have to go through the grief just because you did.
skelso said:
Y'all are reading my reply all wrong... read any other thread I have responded to on the OB and you'll see I generally try to be helpful. That is what I am trying to do here but I'm guessing I should have just scrolled past and left him to wonder...
While I will not give up my exact ratios, I am trying to point him in the right direction. From there he has to experiment to find the ratio right for him. If he's using c series, my ratios probably won't give the desired outcome anyway. How he preps the surface will make a difference as well. Is he scuffing with scotchbright pad or sand blasting? Is he laying down a base coat, or spraying directly on top of the color of the case? If the latter, what color is the polymer, yellow, black, tan, etc. These are all factors that influence the final outcome.
When I started, I was left to guess what base colors to use and I kept ending up with a rust brown color. That was until I realized blue and red make purple and black deepens it.
Thanks for clearing it up a bit. This sounds like it would just be easier for OP to just pay someone who already knows how to do it to save himself from a lot of frustration.
Obviously not a reading comprehender!
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So, this is why I didn't reply on this one. We have a custom maroon mix that we do, as well, and I won't release it either. And, yeah, kelso is a gunsmith and does cerakote. I know he's already responded to this but I wanted to jump in as well. Also, simply mentioning the base colors used is actually a bigger deal than you would think. Maroon isn't an easy color to replicate so those of us that have one do keep it pretty close to the vest. But to call Kelso out on this isn't cool. In some regards he is a competitor to me, so when I jump on here to back him up, I hope that means a bit more than it normally would. I think we would both agree that we have a pretty good working relationship outside, in spite of that (our base business models are very divergent so that helps, but even then, that doesn't really matter on my end anyways. We've both called each other up for help on stuff and I'm more than happy to help him out). I will say that our mix does run the same three base colors and that the black is actually a pretty important part that most don't even think about when mixing, so him mentioning that is actually him being very helpful.burtonsnow said:Why bother replying to tell him you know how to make it but won't give it to anyone? Telling him 3 basic colors is about as useful as telling someone your chili recipe has meat, tomatoes, and peppers.skelso said:
I spent a long time developing my color so I don't give the exact ratios to anyone. I will tell you that you need a red, a blue, and a black.
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Also, in regards to maroon, I'd post a pic of one that we did for me but I don't want to get another phone call from A&M because it has some other things on it that they don't like seeing on firearms, haha.
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Also, I know I replied to your response, but that wasn't just aimed at you, couple other posts that I was lumping in with that. Your's was just the one under the mouse at the time.burtonsnow said:skelso said:
Y'all are reading my reply all wrong... read any other thread I have responded to on the OB and you'll see I generally try to be helpful. That is what I am trying to do here but I'm guessing I should have just scrolled past and left him to wonder...
While I will not give up my exact ratios, I am trying to point him in the right direction. From there he has to experiment to find the ratio right for him. If he's using c series, my ratios probably won't give the desired outcome anyway. How he preps the surface will make a difference as well. Is he scuffing with scotchbright pad or sand blasting? Is he laying down a base coat, or spraying directly on top of the color of the case? If the latter, what color is the polymer, yellow, black, tan, etc. These are all factors that influence the final outcome.
When I started, I was left to guess what base colors to use and I kept ending up with a rust brown color. That was until I realized blue and red make purple and black deepens it.
Thanks for clearing it up a bit. This sounds like it would just be easier for OP to just pay someone who already knows how to do it to save himself from a lot of frustration.
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burtonsnow said:
Telling him 3 basic colors is about as useful as telling someone your chili recipe has meat, tomatoes, and peppers.
I wouldn't want someone's chili recipe that uses tomatoes, so....
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Oh and we started out with red and purple.... never game out quite right. Those looked fine outside but inside under fluorescent light... good grief... almost looked pink. I would never post pics because the pics looked weird.
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BenderRodriguez said:burtonsnow said:
Telling him 3 basic colors is about as useful as telling someone your chili recipe has meat, tomatoes, and peppers.
I wouldn't want someone's chili recipe that uses tomatoes, so....
But you do want a recipe that doubles up on beans... no? ;D
skelso said:
But you do want a recipe that doubles up on beans... no? ;D
No beans.
skelso said:BenderRodriguez said:burtonsnow said:
Telling him 3 basic colors is about as useful as telling someone your chili recipe has meat, tomatoes, and peppers.
I wouldn't want someone's chili recipe that uses tomatoes, so....
But you do want a recipe that doubles up on beans... no? ;D
Why? You have one?
Average Joe said:skelso said:BenderRodriguez said:burtonsnow said:
Telling him 3 basic colors is about as useful as telling someone your chili recipe has meat, tomatoes, and peppers.
I wouldn't want someone's chili recipe that uses tomatoes, so....
But you do want a recipe that doubles up on beans... no? ;D
Why? You have one?
Yes, it requires red, black, and white beans in a 50, 30, 20 ratio. Mix them all together, throw them out, and eat your chili the way it's supposed to be eaten... without beans!
Disclaimer: I'm not a purist. I really don't care if it has beans or not. If it's good, I'm eating it...
Holy bejeesus this thread went off the rails - never change, OB.
Guess I need to set a few things straight, for the record:
I'm in the DFW area. I called 7 shops and none offered a true (or even remotely close) Aggie maroon - closet I got was someone who said they had experience with "zombie purple". If someone had, I presumably would have given them my business.
I think Kelso was extremely helpful. Sure, I'd have been ecstatic to get precise ratios but I fully understand the protective nature of the work - which is why I referenced that early on.
FWIW, H series paints are being used on matte black pelican cases. I'm starting with crimson red and trying to mix from there. While I'm aiming for Aggie Maroon, I'll happily settle anywhere in the neighborhood. My gut was to build a red heavy purple and darken it. Helps a lot to know that's the right track.
Guess I need to set a few things straight, for the record:
I'm in the DFW area. I called 7 shops and none offered a true (or even remotely close) Aggie maroon - closet I got was someone who said they had experience with "zombie purple". If someone had, I presumably would have given them my business.
I think Kelso was extremely helpful. Sure, I'd have been ecstatic to get precise ratios but I fully understand the protective nature of the work - which is why I referenced that early on.
FWIW, H series paints are being used on matte black pelican cases. I'm starting with crimson red and trying to mix from there. While I'm aiming for Aggie Maroon, I'll happily settle anywhere in the neighborhood. My gut was to build a red heavy purple and darken it. Helps a lot to know that's the right track.
If you called that many shops in Texas and none offered maroon, perhaps that will help others understand why those of us that do keep the mix to ourselves.
Props to you for taking this on for your buddies. It will mean more that way.
Now that you have given me a little more to work with...
Crimson red already has some black to deepen but you'll want to add a little more. Since that is a dark red, use a medium blue like NRA blue or sky blue. Your ratio will be red, blue, black in order of highest to least. My advice is mix blue into red until it almost looks right, then add very little black to deepen it a little.
Since you are planning to use H series, you must be setup to oven cure. If you haven't already bought the Cerakote, check out KG Gunkote. Their University Red is a perfect match for Aggie Maroon and is available in Flat and gloss. It was a custom blend for a custom 1911 for Rick Perry and the color was later added to their lineup. They cant call it Aggie Maroon for obvious reasons...
KG is a little tougher to spray at first because it's so thin. But it is more forgiving, will stick to itself even after being cured, can be touched up later, etc.
Please do not cure any of these products in your kitchen oven! They all give off nasty VOCs that you don't want residues of near your food.
If you have questions about the application process with either, shoot me an email (shawn@kelsoarms.com ) and I'll help as much as I can.
Props to you for taking this on for your buddies. It will mean more that way.
Now that you have given me a little more to work with...
Crimson red already has some black to deepen but you'll want to add a little more. Since that is a dark red, use a medium blue like NRA blue or sky blue. Your ratio will be red, blue, black in order of highest to least. My advice is mix blue into red until it almost looks right, then add very little black to deepen it a little.
Since you are planning to use H series, you must be setup to oven cure. If you haven't already bought the Cerakote, check out KG Gunkote. Their University Red is a perfect match for Aggie Maroon and is available in Flat and gloss. It was a custom blend for a custom 1911 for Rick Perry and the color was later added to their lineup. They cant call it Aggie Maroon for obvious reasons...
KG is a little tougher to spray at first because it's so thin. But it is more forgiving, will stick to itself even after being cured, can be touched up later, etc.
Please do not cure any of these products in your kitchen oven! They all give off nasty VOCs that you don't want residues of near your food.
If you have questions about the application process with either, shoot me an email (shawn@kelsoarms.com ) and I'll help as much as I can.
Appreciate it, sir. Excellent replies.
How long have you been using Gunkote? How does it compare to cerakote?
Personally, only a few months. However, several applicators who are my "mentors" (Google pinstripingbyrat, blown deadline, or warlock customs and you will see these guys are some of the top applicators in the industry) have been using it for quite a while and swear by it. They urged me to make the switch.
The lab tests show it is more abrasion and chemical resistant. It's UV stable. It will stick to itself, even after fully cured, making touch-ups possible. Best of all, they are headquartered in Taylor, TX and the owner is very active in the business so getting help when issues arise is hands down better. The company has been making finishes for a long time but Cerakote has better marketing so they have become the industry name...
So far I have had positive results.
The lab tests show it is more abrasion and chemical resistant. It's UV stable. It will stick to itself, even after fully cured, making touch-ups possible. Best of all, they are headquartered in Taylor, TX and the owner is very active in the business so getting help when issues arise is hands down better. The company has been making finishes for a long time but Cerakote has better marketing so they have become the industry name...
So far I have had positive results.
I'm going to work it out, matching Pantone PMS 7421 C.
Cerakote us nit in the business of helping people Match colors. I asked them and they just gave me a few colors to use. No real help.
No other paint company on either acts that way. Go to PPG and ask. Same with Sherman Williams and others. They can all match a color with a machine. Maybe not 100% but close.
May take a but of time but I'll do it. I'm building an airplane and want Aggie Maroon for some parts.
Cerakote us nit in the business of helping people Match colors. I asked them and they just gave me a few colors to use. No real help.
No other paint company on either acts that way. Go to PPG and ask. Same with Sherman Williams and others. They can all match a color with a machine. Maybe not 100% but close.
May take a but of time but I'll do it. I'm building an airplane and want Aggie Maroon for some parts.
1990AG said:
If you are a pro and selling your mix, I get that you don't give it away.
If not, I can't think of a more miserable stance than you needing everyone else to have to go through the grief just because you did.
The guy is in the custom coating / painting business. Why would he give it away? I guess you're new here?
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I guess you're not much on reading comprehension. Go back and read the first sentence you quoted of mine above.
I red wat u rote. Ken u hep me ta red lik u?
Seriously- don't get in a twist over my post. You clearly didn't know what Kelso does or the second IF wouldn't have been necessary. Cheers!
Seriously- don't get in a twist over my post. You clearly didn't know what Kelso does or the second IF wouldn't have been necessary. Cheers!
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Clearly.
Or I wouldn't have included the second "if"
Or I wouldn't have included the second "if"
That gun sounds oh so familiar! I am sure it is amazing!
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