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I've been around the block a time or two on the OB, and have quite a few resources available myself... Thanks, though.

But what good will it seriously do? It's different when we are actively trying to find things out before someone is caught (especially in the case of thieves). But I digress. It's good he's dead, and good there won't be a trial to blow up with media coverage. I'll bow out.
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Mark Anthony Conditt

Publicly released for all you white knight types.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/21/us/austin-suspect-what-we-know/index.html

I'm sure this article will get better throughout the day but it's filled with an entertaining amount of nothing right now
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Been around since gobig12 myself, but to answer your question:

Because thats what we do here?
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Buck Compton said:

I've been around the block a time or two on the OB, and have quite a few resources available myself... Thanks, though.

But what good will it seriously do? It's different when we are actively trying to find things out before someone is caught (especially in the case of thieves). But I digress. It's good he's dead, and good there won't be a trial to blow up with media coverage. I'll bow out.
People are inquisitive by nature, especially when something like this happens in an area that many either live in or know folks that live in.

And maybe, just maybe this d-bag wasn't acting alone and knowing his name will bring out folks that may have information about him, his habits, etc. that would not ordinarily be known otherwise.

I know...novel concept, right?
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Bomber's mother attended A&M per her Facebook (Austin news station posted her name and facebook link)
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That's pretty ****ed of them
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CharlieBrown17 said:

That's pretty ****ed of them
It is sad. So many news stations are posting anything and everything they can find no matter how small. Just trying to be the first to get something out there.
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Some reports are he was home schooled by his mother.

And I mean absolutely nothing by that.
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May be f-ed up, but we know half the OB went digging the instant a name went out.
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Tagguy said:

CharlieBrown17 said:

That's pretty ****ed of them
It is sad. So many news stations are posting anything and everything they can find no matter how small. Just trying to be the first to get something out there.


All you have to do is type in the last name and the city in Facebook search and you will find her. Don't really need the media as help in that regard.

Typical Facebook posts but looks to have been made private in 2014...Not much on her page except bragging about her daughters gymnastics success. There is a post about her graduating her son from homeschool with a picture but not much else.
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Oh I know. I already found that and much more. I'm just not sharing it publicly.
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ursusguy said:

May be f-ed up, but we know half the OB went digging the instant a name went out.


Half? OB is slacking.
Complete Idiot
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One last interesting thing before I move on:

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The vehicle started to drive away, and authorities followed Conditt. Manley said his vehicle stopped in a ditch on the side of the road. As a SWAT team approached the vehicle, Conditt detonated a device, Manley said. The explosion knocked an officer back, causing the officer to suffer minor injuries. Another officer who Manley said has been with the department for 11 years then fired at the vehicle.

Photo of scene:




I wonder when the van crashed into the perp's vehicle - if before apprehension, then could collision have set off bomb? Or perhaps after it went off they went in quickly and hit it? Picture doesn't match description, not that it matters just curious.
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If that's debris on the van's windshield, looks like they were there before the explosion.
carpe vinum
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probably already posted, but I just saw it.

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Aggietaco said:

If that's debris on the van's windshield, looks like they were there before the explosion.
looks like the SUV's back window?
AggieOO
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pretty sure the reddit thread was proved to be someone posing as the bomber.
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Oh I agree. Guilty as charged actually, though I stopped when I saw his fb page was locked down and only had something like 15 friends but I think it is a lot different providing the name of the bomber where people are able to look for more if they want versus posting the mother's name and linking her page.
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Complete Idiot said:

One last interesting thing before I move on:

Description of takedown from article:

The vehicle started to drive away, and authorities followed Conditt. Manley said his vehicle stopped in a ditch on the side of the road. As a SWAT team approached the vehicle, Conditt detonated a device, Manley said. The explosion knocked an officer back, causing the officer to suffer minor injuries. Another officer who Manley said has been with the department for 11 years then fired at the vehicle.

Photo of scene:




I wonder when the van crashed into the perp's vehicle - if before apprehension, then could collision have set off bomb? Or perhaps after it went off they went in quickly and hit it? Picture doesn't match description, not that it matters just curious.


Agreed.

To address what others have pointed out, after years of examples of the "official" story not matching up with what the sourced evidence reflects, I prefer to analyze the evidence for myself.

Sorry but at this stage of the game, I dont trust the cops or the media one bit.

See Las Vegas, Waco, et al.

We all are competent to look at the photo and interpret what we think happened based on our own judgement.
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Agreed.

To address what others have pointed out, after years of examples of the "official" story not matching up with what the sourced evidence reflects, I prefer to analyze the evidence for myself.

Sorry but at this stage of the game, I dont trust the cops or the media one bit.

See Las Vegas, Waco, et al.

We all are competent to look at the photo and interpret what we think happened based on our own judgement.
Well, I both agree and disagree with your points.

As far as the media, I agree that I do not trust any particular news source to only give me the complete facts (as best they know them) without commentary. I wish I did, and maybe there are good sources out there that I'm not aware of. Some are better than others, for sure.

As far as cops and other organizations responsible for public safety and security, I do trust them but also believe they can't, and shouldn't, give the public 100% of all information available all the time. It is to their benefit, and to the benefit of our safety, that they withhold information at some times. It would be valid to question why I trust them or how they've earned my trust, but I believe that this trust is almost necessary for the system to work and I do feel like at least 85% of the time this trust is valid and earned. When trust is clearly violated then punishments/firings should occur, but I do feel the times when a entity has lost our trust is mostly due to incompetence rather than intentional misleading or corruption. I guess I feel it's better to trust, and have that rewarded 85% of the time, than always question and doubt and only be right 15% of the time (I realize these are stupid made up numbers but you get the gist).

As far as considering myself competent enough to look at the photo and determine what happened, I think that's a bit ridiculous. I obviously feel comfortable speculating based on what is shown in the photo, and feel it's kind of fun to try to CSI it, but at no time would ever say "this is a timeline of events I'm able to confidently state happened from that photo". It certainly appears details are left out of the description I read in the paper but I don't pretend to know what happened.
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You make some fair points.

My issue with the photo, like others have pointed out is that the Chief told us that "as [the] SWAT team approached the vehicle, Conditt detonated a device."

But based on the photo that doesn't look like what happened here. The SWAT van obviously rammed the back of the bombers SUV with moderate force.

When the Chief sugarcoats what happened by saying SWAT "approached the vehicle" and it doesn't match what I'm seeing with my own eyes, it bumps my BS meter a little.

Sure, what difference does it make? Its just the Chief giving a sanitized report of basic information.

Well, as an outside observer, I'm noticing a common thread of dis-information. Whether the dis-information is being fed to the media by the police, or whether the media is pulling stuff out of their ass, or a combination of both, I haven't had any trust for a long time that we are getting a straight story from anyone.

Another example, is yesterday or the day before, there was a report about multiple devices being found at the FedEx facility. then half a day later they issue a correction / retraction saying we "mis-spoke" and their was only one device. That seems like a basic fact. Was their one device found or two. How does something this basic get screwed up, and repeatedly over the course of multiple events.

As a more basic example of what I'm frustrated with is the proverbial traffic light being being red, green and yellow all at the same time. The cops will say red, witnesses say green, others in the media say yellow. Then the cops issue a retraction saying they mis-spoke, then that gets reported, then ultimately disputed because the evidence doesn't match either scenario. At the end of the day, no one really knows what happened, and no-one can figure it out, there are simply too many moving parts.

Maybe its being done intentionally by creating a situation where the light was reportedly red, green and/or yellow and you can effectively pick the one that best suits the narrative and go from there. Obviously, thats not the way its supposed to work, but thats the way it is.

Vegas is another situation that is all over the map. We are months away from that and we still have no clue what actually happened there and no one seems to be that worried about it really. Same with Parkland. there were multiple teacher eyewitnesses that made early statements that do not match the narrative. All this has met discussed in detail on other threads but these are two general examples.

I understand that the cops need to keep things under wraps while they are investigating and may even feed dis-information to the media for some specific and legitimate purpose.

But the flood of misinformation, dis-information, retractions of basic facts that turn out to have been "massaged" into something that they are not.

So when I'm told the suspect pulled over into a ditch and SWAT "approached" and I see the front of the SWAT van bashed in like it rear ended the suspect. It makes me question everything that follows. If the cops rammed the suspect off the road, good work. Why does this fact need to be sugarcoated?

I have the same issue with law enforcement "scrubbing" google maps, social media etc. This was public information yesterday for anyone to look up. Why now that the public is finally getting some answers, are the details surrounding a dead suspect (that terrorized a major city for weeks) suddenly a state secret.

Engineers want to look a the specs and drawings not have an opinion of another engineer as to the facts contained within, doctors want to look a the original MRI, not hear an opinion, programmers / source code. You get the idea.

My point is, if we are gonna live in a civilized society we need to be able to trust those we entrust with the power of law enforcement. The information that is released should be made public and be accurate. Anything different erodes at the foundation of public trust, that the people with the legal ability to destroy someones life at will, are being open and honest with the public they are bound to serve and protect.

This concept has been eroded to nothing over the years. I think this may have contributed in some way to the overall distrust coming from the minority communities who have openly protested this issue more than others.

Now its trickled down to not just minorities distrusting the "establishment" for lack of a better term, but a good number of law abiding people that generally stay out of the mix saying "wait a minute, maybe there is something that needs to be looked at closer here." I for one am firmly in that group now.

If we as citizens cede individual liberty to law enforcement, and have money deducted from our checks each month, via ad valorem tax or otherwise, I want the people working for us to be open and honest.

Law enforcement is in CYA mode first. See Waco. They are always playing close to the vest in pretty much every situation nowadays. I'd like to be told the truth and let the chips fall where they may.

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They "helped" him into the ditch. He detonated it after he was surrounded.
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So if some of the bombs were detonated by being handled, and the police thought he had one with him, and they rammed him... What are the odds it was an attempt to set it off?
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Who knows?

I'm good with the way it ended no matter what the small details are.
Aggies Revenge
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trouble said:

Who knows?

I'm good with the way it ended no matter what the small details are.
I'm going to go with he was already in the ditch and they gave him a tap to either jar a detonator out of his hand or set off a dead man's switch as SWAT approached. Like you said, I'm fine either way, good guys go home, bad guy gets put in a zip lock.
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Complete Idiot said:

One last interesting thing before I move on:

Description of takedown from article:

The vehicle started to drive away, and authorities followed Conditt. Manley said his vehicle stopped in a ditch on the side of the road. As a SWAT team approached the vehicle, Conditt detonated a device, Manley said. The explosion knocked an officer back, causing the officer to suffer minor injuries. Another officer who Manley said has been with the department for 11 years then fired at the vehicle.

Photo of scene:




I wonder when the van crashed into the perp's vehicle - if before apprehension, then could collision have set off bomb? Or perhaps after it went off they went in quickly and hit it? Picture doesn't match description, not that it matters just curious.


Two interesting things to me about that pic:

1) It's weird they rear ended him. I'm curious how/why that happened.

2) I'm certain that silver F-150 is the one that passed me on 1431 this morning (with flashy lights) around 7:30. With his flashy lights and all I assumed he was headed to the scene, but thought it was kinda strange that he had a scruffy face, t-shirt and ball cap (didn't look like I'd expect any federal agent to look). I guess he was important though, because there's his truck right there on scene.
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While they were waiting, however, Conditt drove out of the parking lot, Manley said. As he drove southbound on the frontage road, several officers in unmarked and different types of vehicles followed him, he said.

"Not knowing where he was going to go or what might be next or whether he was armed, there was a decision made to put the stop in that frontage road before he got on I-35 and potentially went anywhere else," Manley said.

Officers then used a tactical approach to stop his vehicle, and when they approached and banged on the windows, an explosion went off, something that Manley said can beseen on a video captured of the incident.
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Naveronski said:

So if some of the bombs were detonated by being handled, and the police thought he had one with him, and they rammed him... What are the odds it was an attempt to set it off?
Would you intentionally drive into a vehicle in hopes that a bomb inside will explode?

The van's driver likely doesn't want to become a suicide bomber.
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If i thought the blast would be contained in the other car, sure I'd ram that vehicle.

Problem is, no way to know. Hell of a risk.
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TheVarian said:

Same. Makes me sad too.

Probably taking up to much data on the site?

Check it out. I'm not sure how this works for mobile though.
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