Bump stock ban

"President Donald Trump says he's signed a memo directing the Justice Department to propose regulations to "ban all devices" like bump stocks used in last year's Las Vegas massacre.

The president is making the announcement to curb the use of the rapid-fire devices during a ceremony recognizing bravery by the nation's public safety officers."
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I personally won't lose any sleep over this, unless the OB is so convincing this will be the "camel's nose under the tent". I find it truly hard to support gimmicks for wasting ammo. Cue the "you can do the same with a belt loop"...belt loops not likely to be banned.

I need to see the actual text of the memo, but I worry this will lead to unintended consequences.

powerbelly said:

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I need to see the actual text of the memo, but I worry this will lead to unintended consequences.

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The actual text would be very helpful. Hopefully we will see it (not as interpreted by CNN/MSNBC).

" directing the Justice Department to propose regulations"

Hopefully to submit to Congress and for someone to propose in a bill, where they are soundly defeated.

this is not good

There was also a question asked about raising age to purchase AR style rifles to 21. The response was along the lines "it's on the table"

I'll give them bump stocks and cranks if they take SBRs and suppressors off the NFA.

FIDO 96 said:

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There was also a question asked about raising age to purchase AR style rifles to 21. The response was along the lines "it's on the table"

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Raising the age to 21 is nothing but a feel good. Wouldn't change the ability to use one or be given one just like handguns now.

Average Joe said:

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I'll give them bump stocks and cranks if they take SBRs and suppressors off the NFA.

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The problem is, there won't be any offers like that. Just typical Republicans handing over our rights with nothing in return.

aggieforester05 said:

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Average Joe said:

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I'll give them bump stocks and cranks if they take SBRs and suppressors off the NFA.

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The problem is, there won't be any offers like that. Just typical Republicans handing over our rights with nothing in return.

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aggieforester05 said:

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Average Joe said:

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I'll give them bump stocks and cranks if they take SBRs and suppressors off the NFA.

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The problem is, there won't be any offers like that. Just typical Republicans handing over our rights with nothing in return.

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Unfortunately this is all too true.

He also stated he would review the laws on machine guns. This may have been paraphrased, but one could only hope he might reopen the registry for new registered MG's on Form 4's. I'm wishing in one hand on this though....

I don't even want one but I'll be buying a binary trigger. I'll give them bump stocks for suppression.

The CBS dipsticks were saying a bumpstock converts a semi to an auto.....smdh

The biggest issue I have with this is that it could be a slippery slope. Other than the "fun factor" I can't think of a good reason for anyone to need to shoot full auto. Unless you're laying down cover fire or shooting into a large crowd of people or animals, it's wasteful, ineffective and in many cases even dangerous. I'm okay with the fact that you can't just go buy a full auto gun off the shelf.

Like I said though...slippery slope. First bump stocks, then what? Return of the Clinton ban? Ammo restrictions? Worse?

Rexter said:

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The CBS dipsticks were saying a bumpstock converts a semi to an auto.....smdh

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That's essentially correct. Not technically. Not functionally. But they do allow you to shoot in a manner that's essentially full auto speed.

Hoss said:

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I can't think of a good reason for anyone to need to shoot full auto. Unless you're laying down cover fire or shooting into a large crowd of people or animals, it's wasteful, ineffective and in many cases even dangerous. I'm okay with the fact that you can't just go buy a full auto gun off the shelf.

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A good reason? How about the very reason we have the 2nd Amendment: as a last resort against government tyranny?

CharlieBrown17 said:

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FIDO 96 said:

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There was also a question asked about raising age to purchase AR style rifles to 21. The response was along the lines "it's on the table"

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Raising the age to 21 is nothing but a feel good. Wouldn't change the ability to use one or be given one just like handguns now.

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True, but that's also true for any age limit on anything.

Take away bump sticks but put full auto firearms on the NFA list. Get rid of the 1986 ban.

Hoss said:

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Rexter said:

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The CBS dipsticks were saying a bumpstock converts a semi to an auto.....smdh

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That's essentially correct. Not technically. Not functionally. But they do allow you to shoot in a manner that's essentially full auto speed.

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Essentially correct? Either it is or isn't correct. Gas and kerosene are essentially the same thing, but you have to do some work to burn the kerosene in a gas engine. So it isn't correct to say kerosene is gas.
Technicalities matter.

But if at the end of the day, both vehicles did the same job, did it really matter?

bigtruckguy3500 said:

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But if at the end of the day, both vehicles did the same job, did it really matter?

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That, essentially, was my point. Some people would rather argue technicalities though.

Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

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Hoss said:

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I can't think of a good reason for anyone to need to shoot full auto. Unless you're laying down cover fire or shooting into a large crowd of people or animals, it's wasteful, ineffective and in many cases even dangerous. I'm okay with the fact that you can't just go buy a full auto gun off the shelf.

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A good reason? How about the very reason we have the 2nd Amendment: as a last resort against government tyranny?

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I don't fully disagree with what you're saying because I've made the same 2nd Amendment argument many, many times in defense of our right to own firearms, BUT...if it ever gets to the point that I'm in a firefight against government officials then there are a lot more important things to me than whether my selector switch has a third position. And like I said, unless you're laying down cover fire or just firing randomly shooting into a crowd then the only real advantage of full auto is the "fun factor". And make no mistake, I'm all about the fun factor. Shooting full auto is a blast. I'd love to own one. I don't feel like it's essential to me being able to protect myself or my family though. I think I can be highly effective at that with a semi-auto. But that's just me.

bigtruckguy3500 said:

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But if at the end of the day, both vehicles did the same job, did it really matter?

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At the end,of the day, a flintlock and an AR both shoot a projectile. I guess they are essentially the same huh?

schmellba99 said:

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bigtruckguy3500 said:

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But if at the end of the day, both vehicles did the same job, did it really matter?

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At the end,of the day, a flintlock and an AR both shoot a projectile. I guess they are essentially the same huh?

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Sorry, but your analogy doesn't really work.

Both a bumpstock and a machine gun put a large amount of rounds in the direction of a target in a short amount of time. Ergo why Hoss said it's not that far of a stretch to suggest a bumpstock turns a semi auto into a machine gun.

If two vehicles run on different fuels, but accomplish the same job, does it really matter what fuels they run on if all you care about is the job that was done?

So sure, if you can get a flint lock and an AR to accomplish the same job, then yes, they're essentially, functionally the same.

If you want to argue for the sake of arguing, go ahead I suppose.

I am okay with bump stock ban. Truth is Republicans, if they want to maintain the House in November, need to propose some token legislation to limit purchase of " assault rfles". That is sad but true. The outrage is there and those people are mainline Americans

Yes. "Mainline" Americans are illogical dimwits. Sad but true.

Doesn't mean I'm OK pandering them which may make me a bit dimwitted as well

agneck said:

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I am okay with bump stock ban. Truth is Republicans, if they want to maintain the House in November, need to propose some token legislation to limit purchase of " assault rfles". That is sad but true. The outrage is there and those people are mainline Americans

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You sound like CNN telling it's viewers that cops want AR-15's illegal. You know how many cops I know that feel this way? 0! And I know a lot of cops. Stop spreading BS as if you know what is best for firearm owners.

redass1876 said:

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Yes. "Mainline" Americans are illogical dimwits. Sad but true.

Doesn't mean I'm OK pandering them which may make me a bit dimwitted as well

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Does a typical flag-waving, conservative `Merican, who owns guns, realizes the 2A is not about hunting, become an illogical dimwit because they think bump stocks are an illogical POS? Because I'm quite sure that could be a very large group...

agneck said:

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I am okay with bump stock ban. Truth is Republicans, if they want to maintain the House in November, need to propose some token legislation to limit purchase of " assault rfles". That is sad but true. The outrage is there and those people are mainline Americans

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I will vote against every single one i can that would pander because they suddenly found themselves without a backbone.

I'm kinda pissed that a republican president has suggested this ***** This is not ok.

All this crying y'all are doing. At least he didn't ban chainsaw bayonets.

Joke.....

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I can't think of a good reason for anyone to need to shoot full auto. Unless you're laying down cover fire or shooting into a large crowd of people or animals, it's wasteful, ineffective and in many cases even dangerous. I'm okay with the fact that you can't just go buy a full auto gun off the shelf.

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I can't think of any good reason to buy a 6.5CM or .300 BLK and think it fills a niche and problem that doesn't exist. I also think that having my AR15 is largely a giant waste of money and resources that produces no useful advantage over any other weapon I own. I think bump stocks are ******ed and a great way to burn up a lot of ammo and do it without any accuracy. And I think YOU are completely wrong. I am NOT ok with not being able to own fully auto weapons. I am not OK with knowing my government has better weapons availability than I do. And I think that if you want to own AR15's and take out a second mortgage to do it AND have multiple weapons in the calibers I listed above, then you, by all means, should be able to do exactly that. I also think you should be able to waste your money and ammo with a bump stock.

My opinion of what YOU can do is of zero consequence to anyone else. You are missing the entire point here.

We should not, under any circumstances, support or generate legislation 'just to appease'. We are readily admitting we will give up rights for no other reason than to make someone else feel better.

Thats not cool.