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coyote proof fence to protect fawns?

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ursusguy
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Alright, got around to reading the article. There a some glaring issues of mixing scientific articles for a popular literature article, amd taking studies out of context, or not taking other pretty major factors into account.

But a couple points---
*You can't do a cookie cutter approach when cherry picking stats for wildlife management. Now kidding north studies find high deer mortality, even in mature deer....snow is a great help. Shocker, deer populations that are newly experiencing coyotes have a higher impact. But as deer figure them out at the landscape level (not talking about individual properties), the impact lessens.
*Example of why you have to look at the whole picture? If coyotes are such a huge impact, say in Texas, then why do we ever utter the words "over population of deer"? We have lots of areas in Texas that have lots of coyotes, and have deer out the ying yang......little hint, a doe only needs a female offspring to survive sexual maturity ONCE in five years for the population to be stable. Anything over that is INCREASING. So you have a 50% fawn survival, great, but so what. So when you see something like 72% (they love throwing that one around), you have to say "hmmmm, what's the rest of the story". Oh, there's usually a bigger habitat issue that needs to be addressed, like lack of cover due to overheating.

I'll write up more later, but there are a lot of issues with the article.
chuckr70
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I've watched a cayote follow a doe across a barbed wire fence. He cleared it better than the doe did.
Gunny456
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San Antone Ag......Ursus has a huge point. I was born and grew up on family ranch in Comal Cty. Then have owned my own by Harper since 1992. My degree was from TAMU in WFS. I posted on another topic that I have personally witnessed two instances of seeing grey foxes on our ranch carrying small baby pigs. Some of our neighbors have seen this as well. We are in our pastures all the time......doing game counts, doing hunts etc. I have game cameras out almost 24/7. In the last 6-7 years we just don't see the predators that we used too......and we never really saw a lot as it was. I have not seen a bobcat in 5 years, never see a red fox at all anymore and in the last two years I have seen one lonely coyote. Once in a blue moon we may hear coyotes in the far distance but rare.
The old timers in our area would just as soon as kill every single predator if they could.....including all hawks and owls as they are of the old school that all predators are bad and not needed. Then they complain about how the hogs are taking over........and don't realize we have killed off anything that could prey on the hogs.
I went to our local predator control meeting and told them about seeing the foxes with the baby pigs and you would have thought I told them the foxes were flying........they said I was nuts.
The other thing that is going on big time in our area is the new predator calling contests. Guys pay an entry fee and can win big money for the heaviest coyote, fox, bobcat etc. They have to "qualify" by killing like five coyotes first....then they can go after the other animals. They can hunt anywhere they want...they just have to bring the animals in to "weigh in" at a certain time on Sunday's or whatever. Big money is being donated by sponsors so lots of guys are doing it almost every week end and lots of animals are being killed. It's basically like a bass tournament but there is no "catch and release" as all animals are killed and brought in to see who has the heaviest etc. They kill all they can in hopes of having the heaviest animal at the end so they can win the big money.
I was taught at TAMU in WFS that we need a healthy balance of predators and prey and that having either one of those out of balance will be a detriment to all species.
helloag99
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Gunny456 said:

San Antone Ag......Ursus has a huge point. I was born and grew up on family ranch in Comal Cty. Then have owned my own by Harper since 1992. My degree was from TAMU in WFS. I posted on another topic that I have personally witnessed two instances of seeing grey foxes on our ranch carrying small baby pigs. Some of our neighbors have seen this as well. We are in our pastures all the time......doing game counts, doing hunts etc. I have game cameras out almost 24/7. In the last 6-7 years we just don't see the predators that we used too......and we never really saw a lot as it was. I have not seen a bobcat in 5 years, never see a red fox at all anymore and in the last two years I have seen one lonely coyote. Once in a blue moon we may hear coyotes in the far distance but rare.
The old timers in our area would just as soon as kill every single predator if they could.....including all hawks and owls as they are of the old school that all predators are bad and not needed. Then they complain about how the hogs are taking over........and don't realize we have killed off anything that could prey on the hogs.
I went to our local predator control meeting and told them about seeing the foxes with the baby pigs and you would have thought I told them the foxes were flying........they said I was nuts.
The other thing that is going on big time in our area is the new predator calling contests. Guys pay an entry fee and can win big money for the heaviest coyote, fox, bobcat etc. They have to "qualify" by killing like five coyotes first....then they can go after the other animals. They can hunt anywhere they want...they just have to bring the animals in to "weigh in" at a certain time on Sunday's or whatever. Big money is being donated by sponsors so lots of guys are doing it almost every week end and lots of animals are being killed. It's basically like a bass tournament but there is no "catch and release" as all animals are killed and brought in to see who has the heaviest etc. They kill all they can in hopes of having the heaviest animal at the end so they can win the big money.
I was taught at TAMU in WFS that we need a healthy balance of predators and prey and that having either one of those out of balance will be a detriment to all species.
TLDR
barnag
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For all those saying coyotes are necessary for the balance of populations, I thought coyotes are a non native species that are moving into areas they've never been before?
CT'97
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barnag said:

For all those saying coyotes are necessary for the balance of populations, I thought coyotes are a non native species that are moving into areas they've never been before?
Coyotes are native, not sure where you got that from. They have expanded their range, they are very good at adapting to our suburban sprawl and when you increase habitat you attract species.
barnag
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Edit: sorry, "invasive" species, constantly entering areas they've never been before.
ursusguy
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Range expansion due to changing conditions, pretty natural.
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