powerbelly51 said:

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primomosquito said:

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powerbelly51 said:

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AgLA06 said:

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powerbelly51 said:

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NoahAg said:

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I don't get it. Why everyone's panties in a wad over this? Looks like a cool dog to me.

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Would you pay $900 for a mutt?

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This is similar to asking someone would they pay $100K for a Jaguar SUV because it's not the traditional luxury sedan or a Porsche SUV because it's not the traditional sports car. It's purely the establishment with an inferiority complex.

If your knock is that it's a "mut" because they are combining a high energy pointer with a low energy retriever, I don't get it. How do you think all the current "pure breds" came to be?

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Silver labs aren't a thing. Call it what it is. They are not labs, just like breeding a lab with a rottweiler wouldn't be a lab. Why do you think people obfuscate the breed background?

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Yeah no. That's a silver lab.

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So are you in the spontaneous mutation camp?

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What other camp is there? Jk, I'm just pokin a little bit.

PANHANDLE10 said:

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AgLA06 said:

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powerbelly51 said:

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NoahAg said:

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I don't get it. Why everyone's panties in a wad over this? Looks like a cool dog to me.

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Would you pay $900 for a mutt?

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This is similar to asking someone would they pay $100K for a Jaguar SUV because it's not the traditional luxury sedan or a Porsche SUV because it's not the traditional sports car. It's purely the establishment with an inferiority complex.

If your knock is that it's a "mut" because they are combining a high energy pointer with a low energy retriever, I don't get it. How do you think all the current "pure breds" came to be?

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I think you're referring to a Weimareiner as a high energy pointer. That's 180 degrees from what most pointing dog people would consider a high energy pointer.

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Preaching to the choir as I've had GSPs. Doesn't change the fact that they look like the flash compared a lab. You know, the holier than thous wailing and gnashing the teeth. Especially considering the average lab I've "hunted" behind had the drive and stamina of fat *******.

High-bred mutt. Very pretty.

Like a Labradoodle or golden doodle or one of those 50/50 dogs. Some of those crosses go for big bucks when they get consistent confirmation traits and behaviors.

Some...

But you get a lot of randomness with most.

As the owner of a weim and a chocolate lab, I can certainly sat that the weim is the most neurotic, lazy, and smart dog I've ever owned. As she realized the lab would fetch she immediately stopped. She'll run up and nose a ball but there's no way she's picking it up and carrying it back.

That dog looks to be a long haired lab/weim.

You guys should actually research the dilute gene. It's not a matter of a holier than thou attitude, it's that people are purposefully breeding in a gene not found in the breed to get an exotic color solely to get more money for puppies.

Find me a single silver breeder that has clearances on hips, elbows, eyes, heart, CNM, EIC and any sort of titles on both parents and I'll pay attention. All of these things are common and expected from any reputable lab breeder selling puppies for what you pay for a silver pup from a backyard breeder.

reddog90 said:

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You guys should actually research the dilute gene. It's not a matter of a holier than thou attitude, it's that people are purposefully breeding in a gene not found in the breed to get an exotic color solely to get more money for puppies.

Find me a single silver breeder that has clearances on hips, elbows, eyes, heart, CNM, EIC and any sort of titles on both parents and I'll pay attention. All of these things are common and expected from any reputable lab breeder selling puppies for what you pay for a silver pup from a backyard breeder.

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Come on. They're doing the exact thing the breeders that created the labrador retriever did. Breeding for specific traits. The industry defense is a joke. I can see through it and don't even care about labs regardless of the color.

Saying "I'll pay attention when they get these things the industry won't let them get" doesn't make it any less holier than thou.

AgLA06 said:

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reddog90 said:

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You guys should actually research the dilute gene. It's not a matter of a holier than thou attitude, it's that people are purposefully breeding in a gene not found in the breed to get an exotic color solely to get more money for puppies.

Find me a single silver breeder that has clearances on hips, elbows, eyes, heart, CNM, EIC and any sort of titles on both parents and I'll pay attention. All of these things are common and expected from any reputable lab breeder selling puppies for what you pay for a silver pup from a backyard breeder.

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Come on. They're doing the exact thing the breeders that created the labrador retriever did. Breeding for specific traits. The industry defense is a joke. I can see through it and don't even care about labs regardless of the color.

Saying "I'll pay attention when they get these things the industry won't let them get" doesn't make it any less holier than thou.

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They aren't creating a new breed though. Are you familiar with any of the health clearances I listed? Have you ever campaigned a dog in any venue? The "industry" will "let" them...

powerbelly51 said:

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NoahAg said:

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I don't get it. Why everyone's panties in a wad over this? Looks like a cool dog to me.

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Would you pay $900 for a mutt?

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I wouldn't pay $900 for any dog, unless it crapped golden turds.

But if someone else is, then more power to the seller.

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AgLA06 said:

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reddog90 said:

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You guys should actually research the dilute gene. It's not a matter of a holier than thou attitude, it's that people are purposefully breeding in a gene not found in the breed to get an exotic color solely to get more money for puppies.

Find me a single silver breeder that has clearances on hips, elbows, eyes, heart, CNM, EIC and any sort of titles on both parents and I'll pay attention. All of these things are common and expected from any reputable lab breeder selling puppies for what you pay for a silver pup from a backyard breeder.

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Come on. They're doing the exact thing the breeders that created the labrador retriever did. Breeding for specific traits. The industry defense is a joke. I can see through it and don't even care about labs regardless of the color.

Saying "I'll pay attention when they get these things the industry won't let them get" doesn't make it any less holier than thou.

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They aren't creating a new breed though. Are you familiar with any of the health clearances I listed? Have you ever campaigned a dog in any venue? The "industry" will "let" them...

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I didn't know these things even existed until this thread. I was curious so I followed the links and spent an hour looking into it as I found it interesting.

It appears to me that the lab industry is and will continue to do everything to keep this from taking off. They're scared to death that the silver becomes the new big thing that take market share and they should be. the cross with a bird dog has the potential to strengthen the downside of labs considerably. If they weren't a threat and had all the problems suggested in cases other than bad breeders, no one would want one and there wouldn't be any reason to act like this. Even if just for a house dog.

Just look at what happened in the linked thread where the kennel had the silver that won the Potomac Obedience trial in 2007. The onslaught of attacks by the status quo was so intense and disgusting they had to remove all information about the dog from their website to keep the lab crazies at bay. Look at this thread alone. Full out attack over a post trying to sell a dog. No claim of hunting or field prowess. Just a pet and the reaction on here is sad. AKC won't register them nor let them compete in conformation shows due the lobbying of the lab industry (apparently the LRC determines everything). If it was purely about getting them designated as a new breed the lab industry could and should have pushed that with the AKC long ago and nipped the issue in the bud for good.

Look at what it took over decades to get yellow and even chocolate labs to be accepted. And they're "real" labs. They were culled and killed forever because they were "inferior". The lab industry was wrong about that as well, just like they could be about this. This is purely breeders trying to protect personal interests with a smear campaign.

It's plainly obvious to me and I have no intention to buy one nor care about labs in general. If you can't see that, there's no reason to even continue to have the conversation because your part of the bias.

Now do I think they should be listed as a lab? Who knows. I honestly don't intend to research it enough to make an educated decision on if it's a true recessive lab gene or must be a cross bred. But there are lots of species of dogs that have sub species. Maybe that's what this should be for the show crowd. However, if your stance is that they aren't labs, then I don't' see the point of caring because it can't impact the value of your dog.

TexAgs gonna TexAgs

One problem with with these OB threads is when someone mentions that they own a silver lab, and you tell them that they have a lab/weim mix. Guy reacted like I had called his child a b@stard and was genuinely pissed. I guess in a way I did call his fur baby a b@stard.

Can dogs get married? If not, isn't every dog a b*****d?

Either way his dog is a mutt.

I actually had a 1/2 chocolate lab, 1/2 Weimaraner cross for years. I got her free when I was at A&M until she had to be put down at age 12 from cancer in 2009.

Great dog. But the only way you could tell from looking at her that she wasn't pure lab were that she had Weimaraner ears and her head wasn't quite blocky enough for a lab.

I tried to train her into a duck dog but my lack of time, patience, and skill at the time didn't work. Plus, I got her at a year old and she wasn't housebroken or even trained in basic obedience. And she was terrified of gunshots.

But she loved to retrieve tennis balls and was an excellent companion.

Do people really get worked up over someone else's dog? I'd assume most current dog breeds were "mixed" with various other established breeds, labs included. So...it seems the poster above about maintaining status quo is correct.

1000% agree that most breeds today are mixes of multiple breeds well back in their lineage. Hell, I have 2 very good dogs that are 1/2 German Shorthair, 1/2 Weim. ...but they're mutts, not German Shorthairs and not Weims.

I think the issue that true lab breeders (or any breed would have) take issue with is calling them "labs." Breeds have standards of perfection. If dogs don't meet those standards then they're not registerable as that breed. I have no problem with this new silver dog, just don't call it a lab. Make up a new name for it.

If you took a Dodge engine, drilled out the frame of a Yugo (or even a Mercedes for that matter) and installed that motor then marketed it as a Dodge, Chrysler/Fiat would sue you.

Being a cross breed doesn't mean the dog is s**tty, but it's darn sure not a purebred.

There's a reason you can't register a Thoroughbred/Quarter Horse cross as a Thoroughbred. Breed integrity means everything to breeders and it should. Doesn't matter if it's horses, dogs, rabbits, chickens.

ToHntortoFsh said:

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Do people really get worked up over someone else's dog? I'd assume most current dog breeds were "mixed" with various other established breeds, labs included. So...it seems the poster above about maintaining status quo is correct.

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It's the fraudulent nature of claiming "silver labs" are pure blood labs and pedigreed as such. Most people paying $900+ for a puppy want the credibility of long-established breeding lines.

I think they're nice looking dogs but if I paid $900 for what was supposed to be a full blood, pedigreed lab and it wasn't I'd be pissed. As I said, that's fraud.

The difference between the "silver lab" and "labradoodle" is that you know what you're getting and people are specifically paying for the boutique nature of the animal and its traits.

Finn Maccumhail said:

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ToHntortoFsh said:

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Do people really get worked up over someone else's dog? I'd assume most current dog breeds were "mixed" with various other established breeds, labs included. So...it seems the poster above about maintaining status quo is correct.

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It's the fraudulent nature of claiming "silver labs" are pure blood labs and pedigreed as such. Most people paying $900+ for a puppy want the credibility of long-established breeding lines.

I think they're nice looking dogs but if I paid $900 for what was supposed to be a full blood, pedigreed lab and it wasn't I'd be pissed. As I said, that's fraud.

The difference between the "silver lab" and "labradoodle" is that you know what you're getting and people are specifically paying for the boutique nature of the animal and its traits.

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That's understandable

Over the years I've owned 4 labs, hunted all 4 labs (10,000s of duck fetches), bred a litter of AKC labs, and lived next door to 2 different, stupid weimaraners... but the topic doesn't upset me.

The silver labs aren't labs.

I agree. If they had an innocuous or silly name such a Golden Doodle or Labor Doodle... no one would care.

Aggie MHA said:

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Over the years I've owned 4 labs, hunted all 4 labs (10,000s of duck fetches), bred a litter of AKC labs, and lived next door to 2 different, stupid weimaraners... but the topic doesn't upset me.

The silver labs aren't labs.

I agree. If they had an innocuous or silly name such a Golden Doodle or Labor Doodle... no one would care.

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Labmaraners?

Finn Maccumhail said:

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Aggie MHA said:

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Over the years I've owned 4 labs, hunted all 4 labs (10,000s of duck fetches), bred a litter of AKC labs, and lived next door to 2 different, stupid weimaraners... but the topic doesn't upset me.

The silver labs aren't labs.

I agree. If they had an innocuous or silly name such a Golden Doodle or Labor Doodle... no one would care.

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Labmaraners?

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Lab-moron-ers