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Finally can talk about it... Glock Gen 5!

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jabberwalkie09 said:

bedofbrass33 said:

I keep seeing people say the internals are almost totally different. Supposedly based on the 43. What's that all about?

The 42 and 43 are different mainly because they're a slimmer and more compact overall platform. I obviously haven't gotten my hands on the gen 5's yet but I can't see why internally they'd be significantly different from the gen 4's....

How are they saying they're different internally? Any specifics?

They are two pin vs three pin
Different striker
Different firing pin safety
Different trigger bar
Different ejector
Different ejector housing
Different extractor
Different recoil spring assembly
Different slide lock
Some of the springs are different
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Looks like they found a lost case of Gen 2 frames and needed to get rid of them.
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Might actually try buying an older generation if the hype on these drives down those prices.
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AgLA06 said:

I get that. Does it matter if it survives being Frozen in ice, dunked in quicksand, and drug through the mud if you can't aim?
Go to the range, tape over your sights, practice trigger pull till you can shoot a ragged hole at 7 yards. Then worry about what sights are on the pistol.
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bigtruckguy3500 said:

Might actually try buying an older generation if the hype on these drives down those prices.
If I were in the market for a pistol, this would be my plan.
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I have never understood the whole, "I can't shoot a Glock", thing. You hold the front site on the target and you pull the trigger, its not complicated. Especially with a 9mm, there's almost no recoil, how can you not shoot it? You really don't even need the rear sites all that much if you know what you are doing.

Or, as another instructor once said, "You put the thing, on the thing and you pull the thing". Done.

And yes, I also shoot other semi-autos, 1911's etc etc etc.

They work every time they are tried.
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Puryear Playboy said:

Ehhh...ok. No real argument there. Sights are a price point issue..


This, and I actually appreciate that. I'd rather pay less for the gun and replace the sights with some that suit my preferences than pay more for better sights that I may not like.
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SAWgunner said:

I have never understood the whole, "I can't shoot a Glock", thing.


Then you won't understand. It's a fairly common complaint. Just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it isn't real.

They pushed the design edge of ergonomics and it's great for some people. Every person is different. As mentioned above I carry one quite frequently, but it takes a different focus to draw and shoot accurately than my other pistols. I am consistently high when drawing a bead with my Glock, but only with the Glock.
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WildcatAg said:

jabberwalkie09 said:

bedofbrass33 said:

I keep seeing people say the internals are almost totally different. Supposedly based on the 43. What's that all about?

The 42 and 43 are different mainly because they're a slimmer and more compact overall platform. I obviously haven't gotten my hands on the gen 5's yet but I can't see why internally they'd be significantly different from the gen 4's....

How are they saying they're different internally? Any specifics?

They are two pin vs three pin
Different striker
Different firing pin safety
Different trigger bar
Different ejector
Different ejector housing
Different extractor
Different recoil spring assembly
Different slide lock
Some of the springs are different

Really the only thing that intrigues me is how the significantly different geometry of the safety plunger will make the trigger feel. Glock is going back to the two pin system (gen 2's had two), and really the dual recoil spring system doesn't look too different on my phone screen from the gen 4's. Besides that, the barrel and the melted front of the slide interest me.

I'll wait and see how it feels in my hand once we get one in the store on whether or not I'm going to pick one up. I already put on the medium back strap on my gen 4, and gen 3's make more sense to me in regards to the grip.. If I do pick one up, it's definitely going to be a 19.
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bigtruckguy3500 said:

Might actually try buying an older generation if the hype on these drives down those prices.

I'd LOVE to be able to pick up another older 34 or 17L for cheap. I doubt it'll happen due to Gen 5.
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I have a used 34 in stock..
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bigtruckguy3500 said:

Might actually try buying an older generation if the hype on these drives down those prices.
Doubt it will much... Gen 3s still fetch a premium used for 19s and 17s...
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That may because Gen 4 barrels are terrible - at least mine were. Damn things could barely hold a 4" group at 25 yards
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Well, paid to come in today... Distributor just called... I have a Glock 17 Gen 5 that will be here wed/thurs.
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She's here!

Jonathan is doing a write up on it and will be posting shortly.
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The G17 Gen 5 that EyeGuy ordered came in today, so I'll kind of give my run down on what I can see internally and how it feels (point of aim and trigger) really quick along with my general impression.

Internally, it looks like the locking block is held in with the trigger (fulcrum piece) pin. Due to this, the barrel lock up from the Gen 4 to the Gen 5 is different, and the recoil spring based on what I can tell between my Gen 4 and the Gen 5 we got in store, is actually longer on the Gen 5. This of course means that on the G17 at least, that you won't be able to take any current aftermarket barrels and swap them in because the locking block and lugs are further rearward now. The cruciform is slightly differs from a Gen 4, more similar to the G43 in design. Additionally, the takedown tab piece spring has gone to a coil spring from a leaf style spring. The safety plunger, as we have noted earlier, is different and provides a different feel in that it feels less spongy and more crisp. Where you would probably see a little wobble in the front sight it's pretty much gone. Barrel is what's been said with a recesssed crown style, which is interesting and a feature, but I'm not sure that it's land and grove style or still polygonal.

Now, the slide release is thicker/sticks out slightly more than the older releases. But it is ambidextrous, and you can switch the mag release. So left handed shooters have an easier time now. However, with that said, the issue is that with the slide releases being thicker slightly I do not know how that will impact holster fit. So your mileage may vary there.

Externally, the ndlc finish makes it look quite a bit darker and it feels smoother to the touch as well. The mag base pads stick out a bit further coupled with the cut in the grip are easier to strip out if needed, which if you've ever had to do with a Gen 3 or 4 isn't really hard but it's annoying. Orange followers are now present on the mags, which is a nice touch. Finger groves are gone, and that's nice but it's something I could take or leave. I do find that it points a little more natural, which might have to do with no finger groves, but I can't say definitively. Sights are still Glock's trademark plastic ones, but the front dot is bigger, and the rear cup has a larger cut/aperture to view through. The melted/shaved slide on the front is nice and will probably be felt most when reholstering. One thing that bugs me is tht it's only the slide and the frame is still squared off on the front end. Back straps are the same as the Gen 4's that have been offered with the flat back or the beaver tail style.

Overall, the Gen 5 is probably what the Gen 4's should have been out of the box but it does reflect to me that Glock has heard the customer base to some degree. Personally I'm not planning on trading my Gen 4 17 or Gen 3 19 I have set aside in on for a Gen 5 at the moment. Like I said earlier in the thread, if I do get a Gen 5, it's going to be a 19. I think Glock is trying to capture the people that didn't want finger groves, so if you have a Gen 4 or Gen 3 that you're happy with, this is probably not something you will be going out to look for. If you have wanted a Glock, but wanted it without finger groves and didn't want to send it out and have a bunch of custom work done, the Gen 5 is something you're going to want to consider.

As far as aftermarket support, I'm not sure how that will be effected since internally it is different from the Gen 3 and 4's. Especially since how the locking block and barrel are different. I suspect it will be quick to follow on.
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Also the one we have is already being used for a charity function. Talked with them and if they are ok with opening it up to others buying raffle tickets, I'll post the contact info here. Good group that I've worked with for a couple years now.
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i always shoot glocks extremely well (for me) compared with other pistols. i have several 30s (i think, they are the slim frame double stack 2 finger .45acp)

love them.

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Why don't you just look in the barrel to see the type of rifling??
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You should take some side-by-side pics of the internals of G3 vs. G4 vs. G5.
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CactusThomas said:

Why don't you just look in the barrel to see the type of rifling??
I did, and to me it still looks polygonal. I have a few reasons why it's not a huge deal to me whether or not it's traditional or polygonal rifling. I did pull the barrel out of an M&P 2.0 9mm and it doesn't look like a traditional rifling based on that. I may snap a picture later if you don't mind a cell phone pic uploaded to imgur, I just didn't have the opportunity to yesterday.

  • I don't really expect them to change from that since it's one of the things they're known for.
  • The people that want traditional land and grove rifling in the barrels are going to be a small subset of people.
  • The majority of ammo sold is going to be jacketed ammo. Really the people that reload and shoot lead cast bullets really fall into this category, and I don't think that's going to be a very large number of people either.

Personally, I don't really shoot much lead cast bullets either. I normally just buy ammo in bulk, and it's going to be FMJ ammo anyway. I think most moderate volume shooters fall in that category. Low volume shooters will fall into the buying at Academy, Walmart, or us on their way to ASC and pick up 100 rounds of American Eagle or Winchester White box which will be FMJ anyways.
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Log said:

You should take some side-by-side pics of the internals of G3 vs. G4 vs. G5.
I may still do that, I just didn't have the opportunity to do that yesterday. I will probably use my G4 17 or the store's G4 17 with front serrations for the comparison. The G3 17 we have on hand, hasn't made it back into the store from off site storage yet, so that may not make it into the comparison pictures.
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jabberwalkie09 said:

Log said:

You should take some side-by-side pics of the internals of G3 vs. G4 vs. G5.
I may still do that, I just didn't have the opportunity to do that yesterday. I will probably use my G4 17 or the store's G4 17 with front serrations for the comparison. The G3 17 we have on hand, hasn't made it back into the store from off site storage yet, so that may not make it into the comparison pictures.
On the way now!
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Here's the Gen 4 (my personal one) vs Gen 5 pictures.

This is the slide comparison internally. You'll note the difference in the guide rod/recoil spring length. Also noticeable is the safety plunger difference. There's also the cut in the slide for the ambi slide release as well. Gen 4 is top, Gen 5 is bottom.


Here's the sides of the slides, and you can notice the difference in length of the guide rod and recoil spring here as well. Gen 4 at the top.


This is a shot of the cruciform differences, and the locking block. Note the difference in how the cruciforms are designed, as well as the thickness of the ambi release and the differences in the locking block. Gen 5 is left, Gen 4 on the right.


This is an up close shot of the cruciform from the rear. The Gen 4 is on the right, and note how there is a spring in the rear, where as the Gen 5 does not have that. My Gen 4 is an early model, and does not have the notch on the rear of the frame for a beaver tail, in fact mine never shipped with the beaver tail back straps.


Gen 5 barrel.


Gen 4 barrel, pardon the clutter in the barrel. I just haven't run a bore snake down it since my last match.
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