That way they can get out of there quickly

Crazy m-fer even stops to reload.

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In all, police said, Jove unloaded at least 18 shots.

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Dude filming doesn't seem to feel in any danger of getting shot. I don't think I would have stood there filming it...

Apparently he also shot at one of the employees up in the bucket...

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However, police said the responding sergeant saw Jove fire at and miss Ramos who was still in the air.

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Wouldn't it have been easier to just kick the valve stems?

Btw hes a retired Miami-Dade firefighter! T&P for his Carry Permit, because it be gone!

I want you to move your truck NOW or I will disable it where it I want you to move it from.

When you are all out of Fs to give.

He will end up doing serious time for that.

Closeup of the shooter.

AggieChemist said:

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He will end up doing serious time for that.

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I agree that he will and I agree that he should.

It's amazing to me how people want running water, natural gas, TV, Internet, but are horribly impatient with the working folks who provide it.

I think a guy like him (the guy shooting) should be unable to get any type of utilities from now on.

Turn off every valve and cut every wire to his house, even after he gets out of jail.

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even after he gets out of jail.

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In jail. block off his vents. No electricity. Honey bucket.

Agree.

At times, I like to say my 76 year old father's "give-a-damn" is busted. But this old guy's give-a-damn is as busted as a give-a-damn can get. He's going to do some serious prison time and will probably end up wishing that AT&T would service his cell.

What an idiot, he will die in prison now, and for what?

Wow, he was released without a bond hearing. Told the cops he went "bananas".

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fla-man-goes-bananas-shoots-2-at-t-trucks-in-driveway/

Think we'll hear about this getting reevaluated.

That's negligence. Dude belongs in jail.

Attempted murder and released without a bond hearing?!?!

Definitely Florida.

I'm the LAST dude to play the race card, but if that was a brother, he'd still be under the jail.

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I'm the LAST dude to play the race card, but if that was a brother, he'd still be under the jail.

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So you think he is an only child?

when keeping it real goes wrong.

and, yeah, if that had been a black guy, he would have been dead as a doornail. that good looking black chick doing the on scene report probably said the same thing.

Well, the sheriff arrived with his bathrobe on
The confrontation was a tense one
Shook his head said, "Bubba Boy, "
"You was always a dense one."
Reckless discharge of a gun
That's what the officers are claiming
Bubba hollered, "Reckless! Hell!"
"I shot just where I was aiming."

His release probably has more to do with him being a retired fireman than his race. "Professional courtesy"

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Attempted murder and released without a bond hearing?!?!

Definitely Florida.

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Attempted murder? For shooting at the tires? Reckless discharge of a firearm, destruction of property, criminal mischief, yes, but AM? No.

ETA: prob agg assault too for pointing the gun at the worker before shooting the tires out if that statement is true.

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EMY92 said:

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Attempted murder and released without a bond hearing?!?!

Definitely Florida.

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Attempted murder? For shooting at the tires? Reckless discharge of a firearm, destruction of property, criminal mischief, yes, but AM? No.

ETA: prob agg assault too for pointing the gun at the worker before shooting the tires out if that statement is true.

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If he shot at the guy in the bucket, how is that not attempted murder?

The Wonderer said:

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EMY92 said:

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Attempted murder and released without a bond hearing?!?!

Definitely Florida.

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Attempted murder? For shooting at the tires? Reckless discharge of a firearm, destruction of property, criminal mischief, yes, but AM? No.

ETA: prob agg assault too for pointing the gun at the worker before shooting the tires out if that statement is true.

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He shot at the guy raised in the bucket...

AggieChemist said:

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The Wonderer said:

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EMY92 said:

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Attempted murder and released without a bond hearing?!?!

Definitely Florida.

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Attempted murder? For shooting at the tires? Reckless discharge of a firearm, destruction of property, criminal mischief, yes, but AM? No.

ETA: prob agg assault too for pointing the gun at the worker before shooting the tires out if that statement is true.

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If he shot at the guy in the bucket, how is that not attempted murder?

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This is FL's murder statute:

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782.04 Murder.
(1)(a) The unlawful killing of a human being:
1. When perpetrated from a premeditated design to effect the death of the person killed or any human being;
2. When committed by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any:
a. Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),
b. Arson,
c. Sexual battery,
d. Robbery,
e. Burglary,
f. Kidnapping,
g. Escape,
h. Aggravated child abuse,
i. Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,
j. Aircraft piracy,
k. Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,
l. Carjacking,
m. Home-invasion robbery,
n. Aggravated stalking,
o. Murder of another human being,
p. Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person,
q. Aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death,
r. Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism,
s. Human trafficking; or
3. Which resulted from the unlawful distribution of any substance controlled under s. 893.03(1), cocaine as described in s. 893.03(2)(a)4., opium or any synthetic or natural salt, compound, derivative, or preparation of opium, or methadone by a person 18 years of age or older, when such drug is proven to be the proximate cause of the death of the user,
is murder in the first degree and constitutes a capital felony, punishable as provided in s. 775.082.
(b) In all cases under this section, the procedure set forth in s. 921.141 shall be followed in order to determine sentence of death or life imprisonment. If the prosecutor intends to seek the death penalty, the prosecutor must give notice to the defendant and file the notice with the court within 45 days after arraignment. The notice must contain a list of the aggravating factors the state intends to prove and has reason to believe it can prove beyond a reasonable doubt. The court may allow the prosecutor to amend the notice upon a showing of good cause.
(2) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(3) When a human being is killed during the perpetration of, or during the attempt to perpetrate, any:
(a) Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),
(b) Arson,
(c) Sexual battery,
(d) Robbery,
(e) Burglary,
(f) Kidnapping,
(g) Escape,
(h) Aggravated child abuse,
(i) Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,
(j) Aircraft piracy,
(k) Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,
(l) Carjacking,
(m) Home-invasion robbery,
(n) Aggravated stalking,
(o) Murder of another human being,
(p) Aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death,
(q) Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person, or
(r) Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism,
by a person other than the person engaged in the perpetration of or in the attempt to perpetrate such felony, the person perpetrating or attempting to perpetrate such felony commits murder in the second degree, which constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(4) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated without any design to effect death, by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any felony other than any:
(a) Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),
(b) Arson,
(c) Sexual battery,
(d) Robbery,
(e) Burglary,
(f) Kidnapping,
(g) Escape,
(h) Aggravated child abuse,
(i) Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,
(j) Aircraft piracy,
(k) Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,
(l) Unlawful distribution of any substance controlled under s. 893.03(1), cocaine as described in s. 893.03(2)(a)4., or opium or any synthetic or natural salt, compound, derivative, or preparation of opium by a person 18 years of age or older, when such drug is proven to be the proximate cause of the death of the user,
(m) Carjacking,
(n) Home-invasion robbery,
(o) Aggravated stalking,
(p) Murder of another human being,
(q) Aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death,
(r) Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person, or
(s) Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism,
is murder in the third degree and constitutes a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(5) As used in this section, the term "terrorism" means an activity that:
(a)1. Involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life which is a violation of the criminal laws of this state or of the United States; or
2. Involves a violation of s. 815.06; and
(b) Is intended to:
1. Intimidate, injure, or coerce a civilian population;
2. Influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
3. Affect the conduct of government through destruction of property, assassination, murder, kidnapping, or aircraft piracy.

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He wasn't committing a stated felony during the time (that would actually make it attempted felony murder), so you'd have to prove he intended to kill Ramos through a predetermined plan which I don't think you can with a one-off shot that missed (out of 18 fired).

Maybe attempted manslaughter.

Technically he as destroying a vehicle by means of explosion (the explosion of gun powder in the gun), which constitutes 2nd degree felony in Floriday. So with arson involved, he could be charged with attempted murder.

(please turn on sarcasm meter before arguing this statement)

He was probably provided a lawyer through the firefighters union. Without priors and as a property owner being released on bond for an aggravated offense without seeing a magistrate probably isn't common but not unheard of in an area with 2.7 million people. More than likely his lawyer called a friendly judge who set the bond/bail amount over the phone with the city or county jail. No doubt he probably did have some type of preferable treatment.
As with most first time offenders (if that is the case) he'll probably plead out to a lesser offense pay a large fine, restitution and may see house arrest, ankle monitor or something but any actual jail time will be small and will probably be suspended with his firearm being confiscated.
Don't know if Florida has mandatory sentencing for all crimes committed with a firearm but if so he's probably screwed but don't underestimate the abilities of a good lawyer.

I think the bigger question here is what would YOU have done had this been your neighbor? Do you confront him or simply keep an eye on him and hunker down? The guy filming is just plain stupid. Way to put yourself in harm's way on purpose. Idiot.

I'd have taken cover in my casa and called the popo. You never know when it's an old guy looking to just destroy property or an old looking to mow down whatever is in his way. Could be he just decided today was a good day to die and shooting some people before the cops shoot him is how he's decided to end It. Judging which is not a judgment I want to risk being wrong about.

I agree with above. This isn't about legal or illegal, it's about what kind of lawyer he gets.

Maybe this was one of those typical city jobs where a good man, a truck and a shovel could have completed the task in 10 minutes but att trucks have been idling outside his house screwing around for 3 weeks? Not that it's any excuse. I've done contract jobs when I was young. I know how that gig works.