Deats said:

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AgResearch said:

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Trinity Ag said:

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Shotguns with buckshot slugs are the weapon of choice on driven deer.

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FIFY.

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That seems counter intuitive...

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Buckshot is not legal in Iowa. Even if it was I'd still only use slugs.

OhAggie98 said:

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Driving deer is very common in Ohio. I've been in my treestand and had about 6-8 people come through driving the entire section of woods. There was another 3 or 4 guys out at the other side of the woods waiting for anything to come running out. It was private property, but we all had permission to hunt it by the property owner. I left immediately after.

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This used to be legal in Newton County. I had an uncle that hunted that way with dogs.

ttha_aggie_09 said:

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Jesus.... you just shot a possible world record buck and you can't smile for the picture?

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He's from Ohio. Probably has some janked up teeth.

OhAggie98 said:

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Buckshot is not legal in Ohio. Shotguns with slugs, muzzle loaders, handguns .357 or larger in caliber with a 5" long barrel minimum, and certain straight walled pistol cartridges in rifles.

No more than 3 rounds allowed to be loaded at time.

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I have several friends from Ohio and they were relaying all of these restrictions to me. They couldn't come up with a reason for them though... I couldn't seem to come up with one either for no centerfire rifles. So, dare I ask?

What the hell are all of these very specific restrictions accomplishing? Afraid of bullets travelling too far and hitting someone?

Yes. Due to high human population densities.

After some research, I found several states shared these regulations - MN, IN, IL, OH, WI... Many of these are not densely populated at all in the present day, especially outside their major cities - it's not like they're NJ or RI.

Seems pretty cultural and restricted to the Midwest. I'm guessing they've assimilated and just accepted the reasoning so they don't put up a big stink, but it's a bit confusing. Doesn't do me any harm, just an interesting observation. Seems like most of these states are gradually starting to phase these restrictions out.

You know what's not legal? Shooting a deer from the third base bleachers as it stands in the outfield. Even if the park is outside of the city limits.

So in the Midwest where they are doing drives in wooded areas or fields, what would the typical range be for a shot on a deer? 40 - 50 yards?

If so, center fire ammo might be overkill when most or all of your shots are far less than 100 yards...

It'd be pretty easy to setup for a 300-400 yard shot with all the farm land in Ohio. The mindset of the people who argue against rifles is that the bullets travel too far and would be a threat to others off the property. However, it's perfectly legal to use a rifle of your choosing to hunt coyotes outside of deer season. These gun restrictions are only for deer season. Turkey can only be taken with shotgun, so that is another gun restriction for hunting.

Allowable firearms

Shotgun: 10 gauge or smaller shotgun using one ball or one rifled slug
per barrel (rifled shotgun barrels are permitted when using shotgun slug
ammunition).
Muzzleloading rifle: .38 caliber or larger.
Muzzleloading shotgun: 10 gauge or smaller using one ball per barrel.
Handgun: With 5-inch minimum length barrel, using straight-walled
cartridges .357 caliber or larger.
Straight-walled cartridge rifles in the following calibers:
.357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum,
.375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special,
.44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt,
.45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .450 Marlin, .454 Casull,
.460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-
90, .50-100, .50-110, and .500 Smith & Wesson.
Shotguns and straight-walled cartridge rifles can be loaded with no more
than three shells in the chamber and magazine combined.

Average Joe said:

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You know what's not legal? Shooting a deer from the third base bleachers as it stands in the outfield. Even if the park is outside of the city limits.

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What did I miss here?

Could it be because they do allow people to drive the deer? It seems more dangerous to drive deer towards someone with a centerfire rifle than towards someone with a shotgun. Seems crazy to drive deer in the first place, if you ask me, but would be the only reason I could come up with.

Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking. Like I said, just a cultural thing for when the laws were probably originally made. But the slugs people are throwing from shotguns these days are hardly less lethal. Some of the ones I've seen would do brutal damage.

The Savage 220 slug gun has very good accuracy and range out to 200 yds pretty easy. I wouldn't want to be in a cross fire with that thing and standing on the other side of a deer that's being shot at anymore than I would a typical deer rifle.

I don't participate in deer drives and don't ever plan on it. I also do not hunt on public lands anywhere, but especially up here in Ohio where they do the deer drives and shoot at whatever comes out the other end.

As for hunting in city limits, some cities allow bow hunting only inside the city limits. There are restrictions usually. The land has to be a certain amount of acres and approved for hunting by the city. They usually require you to pass a proficiency test with a bow also.

Nothing from this thread. Long story about a buddy hunting in Idaho.

Long story short, he had his guns confiscated twice because the boundary laws and other hunting laws were very unclear. He thought he was good and the judge thought different. Last day he was headed back home to Utah and spots a nice buck in a baseball field outside of the city limits. He read the hunting laws for almost 30 minutes in the truck trying to make sure it was legal. Didn't find a reason he couldn't shoot it so he climbed into the bleachers and dropped it. Not five minutes later GW rolls up and busts him. Had court 6 months later and argued with the judge about it. Judge couldn't find any reason he couldn't shoot that deer. However, in Idaho there is now a law saying you can't shoot a deer from a little league field.

Insanely amazing deer, but I don't see him beating Hanson.

Speaking of Hanson, just reread a little about that hunt. It was indeed a drive. But what struck me was this:

"The next morning, it was about 15 below zero. Conditions were perfect."

That certifies it...im not tough enough to be Canadian.

I question my sanity going out in single digit temperatures and sitting in a tree stand for 4-5 hours not moving. At 15 below, I don't hate the deer that much. I think I'll let them live.

That deer won't touch the net typical record in my opinion. Tines are too short. Maybe I am wrong though.

Anyone see a final score for this bruiser?

Beautiful deer of a lifetime.

I'll never understand the logic that a 10 gauge slug that weighs 765 grains is somehow safer than a 150 grain 308 bullet. It may not fly as far if fired into the air but it sure as hell is going to smash through forested areas more easily.

Purely related to distance.

Average Joe said:

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Nothing from this thread. Long story about a buddy hunting in Idaho.

Long story short, he had his guns confiscated twice because the boundary laws and other hunting laws were very unclear. He thought he was good and the judge thought different. Last day he was headed back home to Utah and spots a nice buck in a baseball field outside of the city limits. He read the hunting laws for almost 30 minutes in the truck trying to make sure it was legal. Didn't find a reason he couldn't shoot it so he climbed into the bleachers and dropped it. Not five minutes later GW rolls up and busts him. Had court 6 months later and argued with the judge about it. Judge couldn't find any reason he couldn't shoot that deer. However, in Idaho there is now a law saying you can't shoot a deer from a little league field.

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I don't know squat about Idaho laws but seems to be pretty obvious to me to not shoot a deer on land that isn't mine, I don't have approved access to, or isn't public land designated for hunting....

The way I understand it, it is not quite that clear cut. The state is broken down by areas (smaller than counties) that have their own hunting seasons. He made the comment that you could be in the same forest and only hunt one side of the road one day and the other side the next.

The ballpark was in an area approved for public hunting according to the map he had. No houses or anything around. Just a ballpark in the middle of an open field. That's why he stopped to check the hunting guide book first and why the judge ultimately threw it out.

Hanson. He's so hot right now.

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Buckshot is not legal in Ohio

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False, IHIOGA Urban Meyer hunts with 00.

I regret that I have but one blue star to give.

htxag09 said:

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Average Joe said:

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Nothing from this thread. Long story about a buddy hunting in Idaho.

Long story short, he had his guns confiscated twice because the boundary laws and other hunting laws were very unclear. He thought he was good and the judge thought different. Last day he was headed back home to Utah and spots a nice buck in a baseball field outside of the city limits. He read the hunting laws for almost 30 minutes in the truck trying to make sure it was legal. Didn't find a reason he couldn't shoot it so he climbed into the bleachers and dropped it. Not five minutes later GW rolls up and busts him. Had court 6 months later and argued with the judge about it. Judge couldn't find any reason he couldn't shoot that deer. However, in Idaho there is now a law saying you can't shoot a deer from a little league field.

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I don't know squat about Idaho laws but seems to be pretty obvious to me to not shoot a deer on land that isn't mine, I don't have approved access to, or isn't public land designated for hunting....

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If it is public land and not designated as non-hunting, then by default it is designated for hunting. Remember, laws are not to tell us what we can do, they are created to tell us what we cannot do. If there is no law against it, it is assumed to be legal.