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ought1ag
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If any of you are in the market for a new lab, you need to check out Son of a Gun Silver Labs. They have more pics posted on their facebook account. Next time I am down south, I plan on going to check them out.....hopefully the next batch of pups will be on the ground by then.

http://www.sono***unsilverlabs.com/
malenurse
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Seriously, staff, that word filter is annoying.
PANHANDLE10
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Silver labs. I'm in.

(This is when I wish I new how to .gif)
AZAG08
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LINK since the full one is filtered
CanyonAg77
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LINK since the full one is filtered
So is yours. It's because the middle section is the slang British for cigarettes, American for gays.

son of a gun
saltydog13
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$1,500 for a lab?
PANHANDLE10
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Dont you mean labareiner?
AgEng06
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saltydog13
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Ha I have very little/no knowledge on the silver or red labs
SabineAg
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Breeders of these Silver labs are putting out what is referred to by the AKC and UKC as a diluted chocolate lab and as a result they could lose the inherit drive to hunt that is bred into all other labs as well as other physical differences (coat and build). Not saying that these labs that are being provided by Son of a Gun don't fit the bill for hunting, but most of the ones I have encountered working while training this past year are probably better suited to be family pets. I'd be cautious and get to know the history and background of the sire and dam before dropping $1500 on one of these.
DuckDown2013
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my .02 even though it probably is biased...

I understand that every dog is different and there are bad apples with every breed, but my brother has a high dollar silver lab and that female is not even half as intelligent as my black lab female(they are both close to the same age). Mine has a high quality hunting pedigree loaded with American/National Field Champ's and Master Hunter's and still didn't cost as much as my brother's silver. Part of this I admit is the fact that he has spent very little time with discipline and constructive teaching.

In addition, I have spent adequate time with 2 Weims before and their temperament was very similar to that of my brother's silver lab.

CanyonAg77
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The AKC is not exactly a great example of breeding for characteristics. Unless you mean ridiculous appearances.
BoerneGator
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AKC is no more than a very strong indicator of any particular dog's purity, never mind an entire breed's. The same can be said of any bred association of ANY species. It's overall integrity is only as good the individual integrity of its individual members who utilize the service.
PANHANDLE10
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OP drops the Silver lab bomb like a fart in the mall. Just keeps walking and leaves us behind to deal with it. Well played.
ought1ag
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To me dogs are like people......some of the most genetically gifted & smartest people I have ever met aren't worth knocking in the head and vise versa. That being said I have had Labs my whole life and the best one I ever had was purchased from a Walmart parking lot for a couple hundred bucks back in college. While I agree the price is pretty steep for the silvers I wont say they aren't as good as the others until I try one out myself.
Mega Lops
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Not a Lab LOL
BoerneGator
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Posted w/out comment, FYI.

http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/silverlabs.html

https://jacksfrontpage.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/analysis-of-the-silver-labrador-population/
SabineAg
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Not trying to say the AKC or UKC is the best source for making sure the dogs are of good pedigree, I just thought they had a good definition. I've spent the last 5 months working with labs for gun dog, hunt test, and field trial training and have seen a few silver's come and get quickly "washed out" of the program. Just my 2 cents, that when someone is paying $1500 for a dog and another $1800-2400 for training and expect the dog they bought to be able to hunt, they should be careful and make sure they should get a dog that will hunt. I know of many other lab options that can be purchased for 2/3rds the cost and will be nearly guaranteed to turn out to be master hunters.
BCO07
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I've never hunted with anything but standard color labs, but I've been told by multiple quality trainers that if you want a hunter stick with black or yellow, chocolates are hit or miss due to recessive traits (cajun roux comes to mind as a major exception), and all the other colors are house pets.
Mollie03
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Not a lab.
concac
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Damn...Sako the sire got three b.tches all to himself. Lucky dog.
PANHANDLE10
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You didn't even address the fact that silver labs are NOT labs.
AquaAg1984
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Dont you mean labareiner?
Based on the few pics of the adult dogs they have the more serious and less friendly eye stare that Weims have compared to typical soft and happy lab eyes. So I suggest Weimarador.
Mollie03
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At least other lab/retriever "hybrid" breeders are honest i.e. Labradoodle, Goldendoodle and they can still get away with charging $1500-$2000 for a dog. The silver lab breeders really should just be honest. People would still buy the dogs.
Thisguy1
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I don't think you can even register a silver lab with AKC.
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dr_boogs
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I barely consider Chocolates to be Labradors. Work with the breed day in and day out due to all their Ortho issues, and while I've treated two wonderful chocolates for many years, the vast majority are grade A doofuses.
AquaAg1984
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I barely consider Chocolates to be Labradors. Work with the breed day in and day out due to all their Ortho issues, and while I've treated two wonderful chocolates for many years, the vast majority are grade A doofuses.
Then perhaps I got lucky. Had a choc for 13 years and he was a kick ass dog all the way around.

Instead of deflecting the topic your opinion might be appreciated on the subject at hand.

And knowing your opinion, I wouldn't take my dog to you for service. At all.
BCO07
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Don't go getting your feelings hurt, it's not like his opinion is unique. If you go to buy a hunting dog and you aren't given any information about the pedigree just color, I'd venture to guess that most people with lab experience would choose chocolate last. It's not that there aren't good ones, but the odds aren't with you
AquaAg1984
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No feelings hurt here at all. Just wanted to point out that a DVM, like a general MD, is not a geneticist unless specifically trained in that area. As such they can offer an opinion regarding breeding issues but they are pretty much on the same playing field as someone with a BS degree with a basic understanding of the subject. The DVM is simply giving his opinion here and I am giving mine.

And in time some other choc owners will likely chime in with their opinion.
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AggieDarlin
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No feelings hurt here at all. Just wanted to point out that a DVM, like a general MD, is not a geneticist unless specifically trained in that area. As such they can offer an opinion regarding breeding issues but they are pretty much on the same playing field as a layperson with a basic understanding of the subject. The DVM is simply giving his opinion here and I am giving mine.

And in time some other choc owners will likely chime in with their opinion.
OnlyForNow
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Raised and owned 7 chocolates and two yellows. Better hunting dogs have been the chocolates hands down, and not because of a larger sample size, the yellows were good in their own right and very serviceable, while 3 of the chcolates were pretty much about as regular of a retriever that you could find and nothing special. But two of the chcolates were some of the best, non professionally trained dogs I've ever hunter over, with excellent noses to boot.

misundterstodd comment. chocolates have a same trait that is present in yellows and is only not found in blacks. I'm pretty sure the only thing that is KNOWN this recesive trait does is provide color Confirmation for breeding.

Never hunter with a silver but did see a few that used to come into the vet clinic I worked at. In my experience those dogs seemed much more like a wimeriner than labs in their attitude, temperament, and personality, as well as conformation for one.

And I'm not sure about this "dilute chocolate" phrase but the AKC allows registering of Yellow, Black, and Chcolate. That's it. No modifiers, so red phase yellows are yellow and "silvers" or sedges are chcolates, according the the kennel clubs.
CanyonAg77
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the vast majority are grade A doofuses.
I thought that "lovable doofus" was a breed standard?
AquaAg1984
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No feelings hurt here at all. Just wanted to point out that a DVM, like a general MD, is not a geneticist unless specifically trained in that area. As such they can offer an opinion regarding breeding issues but they are pretty much on the same playing field as a layperson with a basic understanding of the subject. The DVM is simply giving his opinion here and I am giving mine.

And in time some other choc owners will likely chime in with their opinion.

Nice contribution to the discussion. Emoticon instead of words.
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