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Alright OB, I need some input. I am finally getting ready to purchase my first gun safe, both because they are good to have and because I made a deal with my wife that no more guns until we had a safe, and I would like your advice and/or experience. I know you don't get to truly solid protection, especially in the fireproofing world until you start to get really high dollar, but right now my budget only goes up to about 1500-2000 at most, but preferably lower. Currently I am looking at the Stack-On "Total Defense" line but am hesitant because I don't actually know anyone who has ever had one, and I've never seen one in person. But the fire rating looked decent, and I liked the water proof feature, especially living in Houston. Also, it looks hard to beat for the price. That being said, what are y'all's thoughts on this or other safes in that price range?
Thanks
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I have a Stack TD 36. I am very pleased with mine. Although the thing takes up a quarter of my closet space and is heavy as hell.. I ordered a 18 gun safe that was delivered damaged. Stack on sent the "replacement" that happened to be a their top of the line 36 gun safe. I ended up getting the TD 36 for around $550 because that was the walmart sale price of the original one I bought.
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How big of one are you wanting? Remember, safes are like tents, they fit half the number of guns advertised comfortably. After that, they get crammed
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How big of one are you wanting? Remember, safes are like tents, they fit half the number of guns advertised comfortably. After that, they get crammed
Truer words have never been posted! Go larger than you think you'll need.

I have a Liberty safe and have been quite happy with it.
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A couple of years ago I bought my first safe, a Champion Medalist 35. Nice enough. I dont have any experience with other brands so I cant really give you a comparison. I got it at Lone Star Gun Safes on 1960 in Houston.
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In that price range, you may want to look at Liberty as well. I had a Fat Boy Jr. that I liked. Sold it when I moved last year cause I didn't want to haul it with me. Now I just have a small Cannon that is really only good for keeping out children.

As mentioned the ratings are dumb. My 18 gun safe has six long guns and is getting cramped. I do have the pockets on the door for handguns and accessories and that helps somewhat.

This thread will not be complete until you get a poster claiming you need a vault with a house built around it.
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I bought a Liberty safe from Moore Security in Houston.
Located off I-10 and Wilcrest and another store in the Woodlands.
Good folks to deal with.

http://www.mooresecuritysafes.com/

He also has several safes on display at AGR Outdoors in Cypress off 290-Cypress N Houston.

Trying to remember which model I purchased...I'll pull my receipts tonight. Has the digital keypad, sleeve on the door for pistols. Paid between $1,500 and $2,000 for it delivered/installed/bolted to floor.

Did a great on the install. No way I could have done it myself. They have a really nice dolly/hand truck to move/locate/set the safe. Well worth the $'s to have it delivered/installed.

Like others have said... expect to get half of the "stated" capacity of long guns in the safe.....
Go big.

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All of your name brand safes - Liberty, Champion, Ft. Knox, Stack On, etc. are essentially the same. About the only real difference will be in the type of locking mechanism in the doors, possibly the shell thickness (and you are only talking about gauges, so it's not a huge difference), color, interior options and the various fire ratings.

It's really hard to go wrong with any of them.

What I will tell you from my (limited to one safe purchase so far) experience:

1. Don't think about what you have now. Think about what you'll have 10 years from now, then double that number. Size your safe based on that. These things magically fill up, and fill up faster than you can imagine.

2. As mentioned above, advertised capacity is pretty much a lie. Take the advertised capacity and multiply by .67 for non-scoped rifles and shotguns, .50-.55 if you have predominately scoped guns. Sure, you can get the number they claim into the safe, but it's far from ideal or user friendly if you do (trust me, I know).

3. Fire rating - get the longest and hottest you can afford. Odds are if your house is on fire, the contents of the safe are going to be damaged anyway. Fire rating prevents them from being completely destroyed.

4. Construction - all of them brag about having 4" thick doors with X number of locking bolts. Which is great if a bad guy is trying to break in through the door. The weakest point of any non-custom made safe is the sidewalls, top and back. And 15 minutes with a skillsaw and an abrasive blade and you can just about cut the side off of one because they are all mild steel, relatively thin (most are less than 1/4" thick) walls. Keep that in mind for....

5. Location - put it in an area that makes accessing the sides as difficult as possible. Yes, they are pretty pieces of equipment. Yes you will love having one (hey, it's manly stuff and holds guns - this is good stuff here). But don't be that guy that advertises their safe in the middle of your bedroom or office. That just makes it easier if a bad guy wants to break in to get your cool stuff. Put it in a closet, and if you can - bolt it to the wall or (preferably) anchor it to the floor).

6. Lock - dial combo vs. digital. Meh, personal preference. Dial combo looks a lot better and is more classic, but is also more difficult to use versus punching in an electric lock code. If you get in your safe fairly regularly, get electric. If not, either works just as well.

7. Weight - manufacturers love to brag about how much a safe weighs. Problem is that you can move a 700+ lb safe with 4 sticks of Sch. 80 PVC pipe or a hand full of golf balls relatively easy. I know - been there, done that. Three times actually. So don't get fooled into false security by the weight advertisement.

tl;dr - buy the biggest you can afford, highest and longest fire rating you can afford, and put it somewhere hard to get to when you get it home
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I have a Liberty Fat Boy 64 gun safe and really like it. Very solid safe and within your price range.
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I just bought a Browning Silver 26 from Able Ammo in Huntsville. Should be delivered in the two weeks or so as they had to special order it. The door storage is what really sold me on the Browning's. The fact that I can put my most used long guns in the door was very cool. Might be worth looking into if convenience is a big factor for you. Other than that, it's very similar to other safes that I was looking at as far as build/materials. I can report back once the safe is delivered and installed.

Edit: The silver series might be a little above your price range. Mine would've been under $2,000, but I opted for the maroon color, light package, electric lock and delivery took me over the edge. Some of the models below the silver still have the door storage options as well.
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I just had two of these installed at my shop:

http://www.opticsplanet.com/fortress-safe-45-gun-40-min-fire-resistant-safe-60x40x22in.html

Very impressed with them. My wholesaler is out but I can usually get them for about $1200 shipped to your door.
BlackGoldAg2011
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How big of one are you wanting?
Thanks for all the tips so far.
I want a vault. I can fit a 22, maybe 28 gun size where I going to put it. I know that won't hold a lot but it will leave me just a little bit of room to expand my collection until i can come up with a place to put a second safe. apparently the office that will someday be converted into a nursery is not an acceptable spot for a gun safe. which doesn't make any sense to me. A baby doesn't care if half the closet it taken up by a safe, and their clothes are tiny. plus it's not like they will be able to get into it. I was overruled on that line of thinking though
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Are there any gun safes out there actually rated higher than residential security container by UL? I bet if they do exist they are a pretty penny though.
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OP - if you havent already be sure to check this out
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I have been looking at a larger safe for quite some time, and I watched one of the youtube videos for some tips. I am a tightass, but appreciate the concept of not skimping on a safe. All that said, there are two different places selling that Stackon Total Defense for $800, and I think is it the best value out there.

Pros--$800, 75 min @ 1400 fire protection, door storage, digital or dial combo, 72 hour water, 1.5 inch bolts, stiff door/doesn't torque (like on the video).

I looked up Stackon's website and called the customer service number to grill them about the product. I was in touch with a person who answered all questions, no problem, within 60 seconds. Maybe it was a good day for a phone call, but that impressed me.

Cons--14 gauge steel top and sides, 12 gauge steel door, made in China.

Feel free to educate me. I have asked places that sell Liberty and Browning for their input, but the features just don't stack up for less than 2x the money.
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I have a Liberty 25 gun safe with the SafElert sensor. I get a text anytime my safe is opened/closed, jostled, gets too hot or humid. Nice piece of mind for me. Door sleeve is great for some pistols and other items, and plenty of storage space.

10/10 for what I needed
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Are there any gun safes out there actually rated higher than residential security container by UL? I bet if they do exist they are a pretty penny though.

I assume so but don't know for sure. I got my safe at lone star gun safes, someone already mentioned them in this thread, and they have some awesome and expensive stuff. Was telling my parents about some of it and they ended up going out there and getting a fire and waterproof safe, they live on the island in corpus and all their company documents are in the gun safe. Talk about a pretty penny.....
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Are there any gun safes out there actually rated higher than residential security container by UL? I bet if they do exist they are a pretty penny though.

I assume so but don't know for sure. I got my safe at lone star gun safes, someone already mentioned them in this thread, and they have some awesome and expensive stuff. Was telling my parents about some of it and they ended up going out there and getting a fire and waterproof safe, they live on the island in corpus and all their company documents are in the gun safe. Talk about a pretty penny.....


That was more why I was asking my dad wants something that he knows is secure, not only for my guns but for family paperwork and that sort of stuff. I might have to go hit them up. Waterproof would be nice with flooding a possibly where we are at as well.
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check out http://www.steelwatergunsafes.com/
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Spend 800 on a winchester safe and the rest on another gun.
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Love my 64 fat boy liberty. Just a few hundred over your budget.
You'd be surprised at what all you think of locking up! Great for ammo, important tax documents, jewelry etc
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I am looking at an Amsec bf7250. Anyone seen or owned an Amsec safe?
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OP - if you havent already be sure to check this out
I was going to post this link as well the one below; it's a forum with an AMSEC guy that explains a ton of info regarding safes. There is so much info out there that it can get pretty confusing...take your time and as others have said, plan for the future.
I really want to get an AMSEC BF7240 or BF6636, but with currently renting a house; I don't want to have to move it again. Due to price and estimated delivery time, I ended up settling on a Bighorn safe from Costco for about $600...thinking that I would get it in a week. I was sorely mistaken...damn longshoreman strike pushed it to two months. I'm happy with the safe for the price, interior is put together well and has a knockout for power. It will tide me over until I get what I want and then I can turn the Big Horn into my Bourbon safe.

AR15.COM-AMSEC GUY
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My dad, uncles and grandpa really like their John Deere safes.

https://m.deere.com/en_US/products/equipment/home_and_workshop_products/security_safes/security_safes.page
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I am in the process of buying my first gun safe as well now that we have a kid and I have more guns to store, but space is a major consideration for me at this time. Strongly considering the 18 gun version of this. Any thoughts? Seems to be a good brand and value.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Gun-Storage/Gun-Safes%7C/pc/104792580/c/104730480/sc/104369580/ProVault-Safes-by-Liberty/1321022.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fgun-safes%2F_%2FN-1100213%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_104369580%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253BMMcat104792580%253Bcat104730480&WTz_l=SBC%3BMMcat104792580%3Bcat104730480%3Bcat104369580



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I bought a Liberty safe from Moore Security in Houston.
Located off I-10 and Wilcrest and another store in the Woodlands.
Good folks to deal with.

http://www.mooresecuritysafes.com/

He also has several safes on display at AGR Outdoors in Cypress off 290-Cypress N Houston.

Trying to remember which model I purchased...I'll pull my receipts tonight. Has the digital keypad, sleeve on the door for pistols. Paid between $1,500 and $2,000 for it delivered/installed/bolted to floor.

Did a great on the install. No way I could have done it myself. They have a really nice dolly/hand truck to move/locate/set the safe. Well worth the s to have it delivered/installed.

Like others have said... expect to get half of the "stated" capacity of long guns in the safe.....
Go big.

I'll second Moore Security. They treated me real well. Nice folks and good prices.
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I am in the process of buying my first gun safe as well now that we have a kid and I have more guns to store, but space is a major consideration for me at this time. Strongly considering the 18 gun version of this. Any thoughts? Seems to be a good brand and value.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Gun-Storage/Gun-Safes%7C/pc/104792580/c/104730480/sc/104369580/ProVault-Safes-by-Liberty/1321022.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fgun-safes%2F_%2FN-1100213%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_104369580%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253BMMcat104792580%253Bcat104730480&WTz_l=SBC%3BMMcat104792580%3Bcat104730480%3Bcat104369580





Haven't seen that one in person but I got a 24 gun Canon safe from Tractor Supply for less than $500 a month back and I'm happy with the quality.
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Interesting
aggielostinETX
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Champion Medalist 45 - very happy with this big boy.

Champion has dealers in Houston.
AgLA06
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Here is our last discussion on the topic for reference.

http://texags.com/forums/34/topics/2579515
metrag06
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I have an AmSec safe, although it's a TF series 30 gun.

It is great for us - the door organizer holds enough that I can (for now) keep all of my guns on the door. My wife wanted a smaller safe but another lady at the store told her she'd just end up buyin another if we didn't go bigger, haha.

OP - if you are in Houston go look at Carter's Country. I was surprised given their gun prices to see that they were cheapest on safes in my area. I paid right around $1200 by the time delivery and bolt down were included.
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Get twice as big as you think you need.
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I just bought a Browning Silver 26 from Able Ammo in Huntsville. Should be delivered in the two weeks or so as they had to special order it. The door storage is what really sold me on the Browning's. The fact that I can put my most used long guns in the door was very cool. Might be worth looking into if convenience is a big factor for you. Other than that, it's very similar to other safes that I was looking at as far as build/materials. I can report back once the safe is delivered and installed.

Edit: The silver series might be a little above your price range. Mine would've been under $2,000, but I opted for the maroon color, light package, electric lock and delivery took me over the edge. Some of the models below the silver still have the door storage options as well.

I'm not hating, because I own a Browning safe too, but the marketing on safes is a joke. This safe claims a 29 long-gun capacity yet looks crowded with 9 (only one with a scope). You might get five more in there...
Schmellba nailed it across the board. Security?? 11 gauge steel is .12 inches. Like others have stated, buy it big as you have room for and don't worry too much about the other crap. I feel like mine is for peace of mind (and it's where I hide my hurricane money)!
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Scoped ARs take up lots of space.
go big.
Shelves are not needed.
Ammo goes in cans, not in safes.
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Strangely Academy has Browning Safes and at a price hard to beat. Here is their 40 gun Safe with ADJUSTABLE Shelves. http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/browning-sporter-series-40-gun-safe/pid-549601?color=Hammer+Gray&N=858720419&Ntt=Browning+Safe&Ntk=All at $1499. Installation by others will cost around $200. Another cool idea is gun storage Rifle Rods. Utilizing Rods with Velcro tips and adhesive backed Velcro, you can remove existing gun storage brackets in a safe and better utilize the room to get more rifles in. Cabelas carries the rods... here's a link to that http://www.cabelas.com/product/Liberty-Safe-and-Gun-Storage-Solutions-Rifle-Rods/1370816.uts?productVariantId=3151573&srccode=cii_17588969&cpncode=42-29635077-2&WT.tsrc=CSE&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=03433321&rid=20
Hope that helps.
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