I popped a cat just a day or two ago with my shiny new Red Rider. My only regret is that I don't have a higher powered air rifle.

The cat I was talking about was trapped and taken to Dorothy O'Conner Pet Adoption Center.

I'm too lazy to read through all the responses. Has anyone suggested tearing down his fence?

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I popped a cat just a day or two ago with my shiny new Red Rider. My only regret is that I don't have a higher powered air rifle.

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Wow, bragging about animal cruelty. How very manly of you! Do you get a special little thrill up your leg when you cause pain to things smaller than you are? Are you also going to post about how you like to smack women around when they get lippy, or maybe post a picture of the truck nuts hanging from your hitch?

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The cat I was talking about was trapped and taken to Dorothy O'Conner Pet Adoption Center.

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Very rational means to address the problem.

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Where they killed it when it wasn't adopted...but first it had to be crammed into a cage (and denied the Freedom it had known its entire existence) for a while scared out of its wits and complete freaked out by the experience.

But you didn't have to see that part...and someone else did the killing, so its all good for you.

I guess I should start hanging them on the gate along with the coyotes and catfish heads...

If these were stray dogs or free-roaming neighborhood dogs instead of cats in this thread, I'm curious to see how many compassionate responses there would be.

I can't speak for everybody, but I would treat any of them the same, with the exception of dogs that show any sign of aggression. Those get aggressive responses as demanded by the situation. Otherwise, if they aren't harming anything, I let them be, and if they are doing things in my yard I don't want, I run them off using things like yelling and spraying them with a water hose. Trapping them and taking them to a shelter does two things that shooting them does not. One, it gives a chance to scan them for microchips and return them to an owner who may have been missing them for months or years. I saw a story on the news a few days ago about a stray dog that was picked up by a couple and they took it to a vet, where they found it had a microchip and had been missing for 5 years. And two, if they don't have a chip, it at least gives them a chance to be adopted by somebody before being killed. In the event they are euthanized, it is certainly a more humane death than being shot with a pellet gun, especially if they are just wounded and die later of an infection.

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I popped a cat just a day or two ago with my shiny new Red Rider. My only regret is that I don't have a higher powered air rifle.

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Wow, bragging about animal cruelty. How very manly of you! Do you get a special little thrill up your leg when you cause pain to things smaller than you are? Are you also going to post about how you like to smack women around when they get lippy, or maybe post a picture of the truck nuts hanging from your hitch?

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Only a truly ignorant imbecile would compare a feral cat to a woman (a human being). Then again, I'm sure you spend a large part of your pointless day showing off selfie pictures of you with your cats in 'interesting' positions.

Hopefully this disease ridden nuisance animal will not defecate and piss all over the tiny yard my son plays in anymore. Or if it didn't get the hint, I'll do it again and again. One toy monster truck covered in fresh cat **** is too many, I don't want to go through that again. Although I'm certain you probably enjoy various objects slathered up in fresh cat **** from your precious Mittens and Muffin.

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I can't speak for everybody, but I would treat any of them the same, with the exception of dogs that show any sign of aggression. Those get aggressive responses as demanded by the situation. Otherwise, if they aren't harming anything, I let them be, and if they are doing things in my yard I don't want, I run them off using things like yelling and spraying them with a water hose. Trapping them and taking them to a shelter does two things that shooting them does not. One, it gives a chance to scan them for microchips and return them to an owner who may have been missing them for months or years. I saw a story on the news a few days ago about a stray dog that was picked up by a couple and they took it to a vet, where they found it had a microchip and had been missing for 5 years. And two, if they don't have a chip, it at least gives them a chance to be adopted by somebody before being killed. In the event they are euthanized, it is certainly a more humane death than being shot with a pellet gun, especially if they are just wounded and die later of an infection.

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Stop by my house and I'll take you to two (that I know of) abandoned lots/homes that have no less than 20 feral cats each. I'm sure they are all microchipped and up on their shots. You can adopt them or humanely cram them in a cage to be euthanized.

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Only a truly ignorant imbecile would compare a feral cat to a woman (a human being). Then again, I'm sure you spend a large part of your pointless day showing off selfie pictures of you with your cats in 'interesting' positions.

Hopefully this disease ridden nuisance animal will not defecate and piss all over the tiny yard my son plays in anymore. Or if it didn't get the hint, I'll do it again and again. One toy monster truck covered in fresh cat **** is too many, I don't want to go through that again. Although I'm certain you probably enjoy various objects slathered up in fresh cat **** from your precious Mittens and Muffin.

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I wouldn't call them an imbecile. They're just pointing out that the animals in question have just as much right to live as you do. Say you were homeless and had to live like a vagrant, and you happened to set foot on someone's property. Would you want the owner to shoot you without hesitation? Or, would you rather them try to scare you away by using a water hose, yelling, or natural deterrents?

I had no idea there were so many PETA members on the OB.

Where's the outrage over Log's thread? I mean heck... it's titled "Death to coons".... so it's not like it's easy to miss.

I wasn't comparing a feral cat to a woman, I was comparing a person who enjoys causing pain to them with somebody who like to hurt women.
I was referring to the fact that you appeared to take joy in the idea of causing pain to things smaller than you or more helpless. There is a well known link between people who enjoy abusing animals and later advance to violence towards humans.

FBI and other law enforcement agencies nationwide, have linked animal cruelty to domestic violence, child abuse, and serial killings. Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, and David Berkowitz all enjoyed torturing animals before moving on to humans. In a study of 57 families being treated for incidents of child abuse, 88% also abused animals. In two-thirds of the cases, it was the abusive parent who had killed or injured the animals to control a child. In one-third, the children had abused the animals, using them as scapegoats for their anger.
In the case of the Columbine shootings, the boys did not even wait until adulthood. They graduated from animal abuse to killing their classmates as teenagers. The same pattern apparently existed among the killings attributed to Kip Kinkel of Oregon; Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden of Jonesboro Arkansas; and Luke Woodham of Pearl, Mississipi.

Not saying you are a serial killer or like to beat women...but if you like to hurt animals just for fun, you are sharing good company with them.

Rogue,

I am not outraged over people killing things. I like to hunt and fish. I am upset when people kill things that don't need to be killed, and apparently take joy in doing so and brag about it to others. In the case of feral cats in the sandbox, it really is the safe thing to do to cover a kid's sandbox, not just for prevention of use by the neighbor's cats, but for lots of other wildlife and insects that can crap or lay eggs in the sand. For cats crapping in gardens, you can use a hose, pepper, and dozens of other remedies that don't involve killing the animal. If you just don't want to deal with it, then trap them and take them to a shelter. But people whose first reaction is to say "I hate cats, here is my chance to shoot it and then brag about it on the internet" really do have a screw loose somewhere, because they are the same people who would absolutely come unglued if their neighbor shot their dog because he was crapping in the yard.

In Log's case, if he is going to have feeders, he is going to have coons. There is really no two ways around that. If he were to set them to go off only in the mornings and let the deer have time to eat during the day, he would not have as big of a problem, but that is neither here nor there. The reality is that they are wildlife and he is shooting them to cure a problem that can't really be fixed without running off the other wildlife he is trying to attract. I think glorifying it is a bit much on his part, but he at least has a legit basis for shooting them, even if I think he is a bit misguided in thinking it will somehow fix his problem in the long-term.

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Stop by my house and I'll take you to two (that I know of) abandoned lots/homes that have no less than 20 feral cats each. I'm sure they are all microchipped and up on their shots. You can adopt them or humanely cram them in a cage to be euthanized.

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I have dealt with strays in our neighborhood several times by taming them down to where I could catch them, taking them to a vet to check for a chip, and euthanizing them if they had feline leukemia or FIV. The ones who were not sick were taken to a shelter for adoption. I really don't care if you have feral cats in your neighborhood. It isn't my job to take care of abandoned places in your neighborhood. If you have a problem with feral cats in your neighborhood, by all means, get a trap and take a bunch to the shelter. That is the humane way to deal with them. If you simply don't want them in your yard, chase them with a hose and yell every time you see them, and within a week or two, you won't see them anymore. Feral cats aren't dumb, and they aren't going to hang out in places where they feel threatened. Shooting them with a bb gun is actually less likely to be effective than spraying them with the hose. The bb welt is something that to them appeared out of nowhere and didn't repeat right away. Unless you are screaming at them when you shoot, they might as well think they got stung by a bee. Getting doused with a hose is clearly connected to the angry guy holding the hose at that house.

But let me be clear, I don't have a problem if you don't like feral cats and don't want them around. More power to you. What I was criticizing was that you seemed to enjoy the idea that you were hurting them and wanted to come brag about it on the internet.

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Only a truly ignorant imbecile would compare a feral cat to a woman (a human being). Then again, I'm sure you spend a large part of your pointless day showing off selfie pictures of you with your cats in 'interesting' positions.

Hopefully this disease ridden nuisance animal will not defecate and piss all over the tiny yard my son plays in anymore. Or if it didn't get the hint, I'll do it again and again. One toy monster truck covered in fresh cat **** is too many, I don't want to go through that again. Although I'm certain you probably enjoy various objects slathered up in fresh cat **** from your precious Mittens and Muffin.

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I wouldn't call them an imbecile. They're just pointing out that the animals in question have just as much right to live as you do. Say you were homeless and had to live like a vagrant, and you happened to set foot on someone's property. Would you want the owner to shoot you without hesitation? Or, would you rather them try to scare you away by using a water hose, yelling, or natural deterrents?

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Even a homeless Obama voter has more right to life than a feral cat. Not a valid comparison.

Too many people get hung up on equating (certain) animals with humans. Yes, we all know some dogs/horses/cats we like better than some humans. But the fact remains that humans > animals.

txags92... fair enough. I think you'll be hard pressed to come off as anything but hypocritical by defending it in one instance, and condemning it in another. At the end of the day, in both instances you're talking about killing animals. But I don't know....

feral cats are a nuisance animal.... sorta like feral hogs.... or racoons. Obviously the level of damage they do to the environment is not comparable, but they're all no less nuisance animals. As such, I don't have a problem with people killing feral cats any more than I do them killing hogs... which is to say, I have no problem with it at all. Personally, I also have a sandbox for my kids and have had this same problem (and yes I've covered it) and also had my truck scratched all to hell from cats. They piss me off and damage my property... and I'll gladly kill them if need be and not care one iota what anyone on this board thinks about it.

And I think this board needs to get over itself and it's judgmental attitude.

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I had no idea there were so many PETA members on the OB.

Where's the outrage over Log's thread? I mean heck... it's titled "Death to coons".... so it's not like it's easy to miss.

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Certain nuisance animals are okay to kill. Others must be held to a higher regard. If a nuisance animal is messing with a deer feeder, then it is fair game. If it is messing with a kids play area, then it needs to be coddled and PETA needs to be called for proper relocation.

Fair enough Rogue. Like I have said previously, where I tend to draw the line between what I accept or what upsets me is when people 1) Choose lethal measures first instead of non-lethal alternatives that might also work, or 2) get pleasure or joy out of killing or wounding an animal, just for the fun of it. I know I am not going to change many minds here...but people who take joy in killing or wounding an animal that could be a kid's pet need to check themselves.

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Certain nuisance animals are okay to kill. Others must be held to a higher regard. If a nuisance animal is messing with a deer feeder, then it is fair game. If it is messing with a kids play area, then it needs to be coddled and PETA needs to be called for proper relocation.

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The difference between the two is that the whole purpose of the feeder is to attract wildlife. If you take non-lethal measures like noisemakers, random light flashes, or baiting and trapping around a feeder to get rid of coons, you are going to scare off the wildlife you are trying to attact. On the other hand, a child's sandbox can be defended against feral cats dozens of different non-lethal ways that don't prevent it from being used by the kids.

Shooting a cat with a BB gun that will most likely not even break skin is not akin to torturing animals (skinning alive, breaking bones, severing limbs/tails/ears, burning alive, etc). I'm sure you can see that.

I would also assume you judge people that ENJOY hog helicopter hunts, killing 1,000 dove in a day, or prairie dog 'hunting' as well.

And if you have time to tame feral cats and take them into the vets office for pre euthanization screenings, more power to you.

I think where we differ is our opinions on using lethal measure first vs alternative means of dealing with them. I don't disagree that killing animals indiscriminately for fun is wrong. I get no pleasure from that.

But on the former issue.... I have neither the time nor the patience to go around trapping cats and taking them to vets. And I suspect few others do as well. When taken in combination with them being nuisance animals.... well... I think you see why many choose lethal measures first. It takes little time... the effort is minimal.... and it is effective in dealing the problem at least as much as trapping and transporting is. Why should I go through all that effort when it's highly likely (in fact almost certain) that the animal will be euthanized anyway? I shouldn't have to... and frankly, the idea that lazy neighbors aren't controlling their pets and are directly contributing to this problem pisses me off.

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The difference between the two is that the whole purpose of the feeder is to attract wildlife. If you take non-lethal measures like noisemakers, random light flashes, or baiting and trapping around a feeder to get rid of coons, you are going to scare off the wildlife you are trying to attact. On the other hand, a child's sandbox can be defended against feral cats dozens of different non-lethal ways that don't prevent it from being used by the kids.

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Right, the sole purpose of a deer feeder is to attract deer so that a hunter can joyfully put a bullet through its chest cavity and watch it die a painful death. Then he will happily take a picture of the dead, trained deer and send it to all of his friends bragging about how big its antlers are. The hunter…err serial killer rapist…will take pleasure in the whole ordeal. Killing nuisance animals that allows this all to transpire is perfectly okay. On the other hand, when trying to keep disease ridden nuisance cats out of a yard where small children play daily, you must take extreme measures to not harm the kitty cat in the slightest. It’d be psychotic to employ the same tactics a deer hunter killing nuisance raccoons does. It is all so clear now.

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I would also assume you judge people that ENJOY hog helicopter hunts, killing 1,000 dove in a day, or prairie dog 'hunting' as well.

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Hogs, no. There is a purpose to killing them that can't be accomplished any other way. If taking people up in helicopters and letting them kill them makes some people happy, and others money...fine. The 1000 doves thing, I am a little torn about. I understand the farmers wanting to protect their grain fields initially. But now that the government is paying farmers to grow grain specifically to bring the flocks in for hunters, I find it slightly harder to justify. I can understand the economic motivation as much like we leave rice stubble to attract geese around Houston. To each their own in that case, but after about the first 10-15 doves, it seems like it would get very boring to me, and I can't really see the attraction of trying to shoot that many when you don't plan to do anything with them after you shoot them. But I am not judging them just because it isn't my thing.

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Right, the sole purpose of a deer feeder is to attract deer so that a hunter can joyfully put a bullet through its chest cavity and watch it die a painful death. Then he will happily take a picture of the dead, trained deer and send it to all of his friends bragging about how big its antlers are. The hunter…err serial killer rapist…will take pleasure in the whole ordeal. Killing nuisance animals that allows this all to transpire is perfectly okay. On the other hand, when trying to keep disease ridden nuisance cats out of a yard where small children play daily, you must take extreme measures to not harm the kitty cat in the slightest. It’d be psychotic to employ the same tactics a deer hunter killing nuisance raccoons does. It is all so clear now.

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Now you are just being deliberately obtuse. Deer hunting cannot be done with non-lethal means. Deer hunters may celebrate the kill, but most also take great pains to make sure they don't just injure the deer or make it suffer for a long time before it dies. I don't know many hunters that walk up on a kill without at least just a slight bit of regret for killing such a majestic animal mixed in with the joy of a successful hunt. They don't shoot deer for the fun of watching it run away. They also end up eating the meet and often reuse or display the rack and/or skin. If you can figure out a way to do that with a garden hose or a sandbox cover, by all means make a video and put it on youtube...you would save people millions on hunting gear.

OTOH, you can get the cats out of your yard with a garden hose. You and Rogue keep focusing on the idea of trapping as so incredibly labor intensive and inconvenient...fine, just squirt it with a hose. The cat will hate it every bit as much as getting hit with a bb, and after a couple of times, it will decide to give your house a wide berth. I have said over and over, I don't have any problem with you not wanting the cats in your yard. I just think it is silly and a bit weird to get joy out of hurting them in the process.

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Hogs, no. There is a purpose to killing them that can't be accomplished any other way. You could trap them, tranquilize them, take them to a vet for euthanization. If taking people up in helicopters and letting them kill AND WOUND (psycho serial killers) them makes some people happyOnly serial killers and women abusers are HAPPY about wounding and killing animals for fun, and others money...fine. The 1000 doves thing, I am a little torn about. I understand the farmers wanting to protect their grain fields initially. But now that the government is paying farmers to grow grain specifically to bring the flocks in for hunters, I find it slightly harder to justify. I can understand the economic motivation as much like we leave rice stubble to attract geese around Houston. To each their own in that case, but after about the first 10-15 doves, it seems like it would get very boring to me, and I can't really see the attraction of trying to shoot that many when you don't plan to do anything with them after you shoot them. But I am not judging them just because it isn't my thing. But you will judge someone that doesn’t exhaust every non-lethal measure before killing nuisance feral cats.

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Now you are just being deliberately obtuse. Deer hunting cannot be done with non-lethal means. Eradicating disease ridden feral cats cannot be done without non-lethal means. Unless you know of someone willing to take in millions of these cats. Deer hunters may celebrate the kill, but most also take great pains to make sure they don't just injure the deer or make it suffer for a long time before it dies. A .177 or .22 pellet through the skull or chest of a cat will kill it as quickly as a rifle bullet in a deer. I don't know many hunters that walk up on a kill without at least just a slight bit of regret for killing such a majestic animal mixed in with the joy of a successful hunt. They don't shoot deer for the fun of watching it run away. They also end up eating the meet and often reuse or display the rack and/or skin.What about the coons that are mercilessly murdered for stealing the deer’s corn? Are they eaten and reused? If you can figure out a way to do that with a garden hose or a sandbox cover, If you can figure out a way to cover my yard (not just a sandbox) that is cost effective, easy, and timely, let me know. by all means make a video and put it on youtube...you would save people millions on hunting gear.

OTOH, you can get the cats out of your yard with a garden hose. Most cats won’t stand there while you walk to the spigot, turn the water on, roll out the hose, and get in position to spray them. Grabbing a bb gun that is right by the door is much quicker and has a longer range. You and Rogue keep focusing on the idea of trapping as so incredibly labor intensive and inconvenient...fine, just squirt it with a hose. The cat will hate it every bit as much as getting hit with a bb, and after a couple of times, it will decide to give your house a wide berth. I have said over and over, I don't have any problem with you not wanting the cats in your yard. I just think it is silly and a bit weird to get joy out of hurting them in the process.

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Having fun being deliberately obtuse about this? If you can't make a distinction between a cat that COULD be somebody's pet (and apparently is known to be a pet according to the OP), and a feral hog, then there is no way to have a rational discussion of anything. Yes, the parents may be irresponsible by letting it be outside, but that doesn't mean there won't be a little girl or boy heart broken if they find their pet dead. I don't catch stray cats and take them to the vet because I am some bleeding heart who cringes at the idea of them being killed. I do that because it 1) allows the vet to see if they have a chip and might in fact be a missing pet, and 2) allows me to give them a chance to be adopted if they are healthy. I don't care if nobody else does it...it is just my thing and I get that. I never said anybody had to take EVERY non-lethal means first...I just suggested that lethal means should not be first. And seriously...you can't make a distinction between killing something for a useful purpose (i.e. helicopter shooting of hogs or hunting coons/doves eating grain destined for another purpose) and having fun while doing it, versus just wounding or hurting something for fun (buying a bb gun specifically for and being excited about shooting a cat with it)? Seriously, you graduated from A&M and you can't make that distinction?

Actually I bought a BB gun to start teaching my little boy (the one who has to navigate through feral cat **** and piss in my yard) about guns and their destructive power. And so I could mess around with it in the back yard. Shooting nuisance disease ridden feral cats is an added bonus. Chasing them around like a mad man and asking them to stay while I unravel the hose hasn't been working.

Killing a cat does have useful purposes, it keeps disease ridden feral animals from ****ting and pissing all over the places where small, inquisitive children play and it lessens the amount of cats that kill songbirds and the like. And 99.9% of cats running around are feral nuisance animals, not Sally's little microchipped Mittens. You seem to agree with the indiscriminate killing of certain animals by any means necessary (hogs, coons). I guess as long as it lines up with your interests, killing (or wounding to the point where it eventually dies) some animals is perfectly fine.

And if a nuisance cat does happen to be Mittens, well, I suppose Sally will learn a life lesson and maybe her parents will grow up a little as well. In the mean time, I'll continue popping any cat I see in my yard with one tiny, silver <350FPS BB at a time...and I'll be happy about it because I'll be one tiny step closer to keeping disease ridden feral cats from ****ting and pissing where my son plays.

If you put them in a burlap sack and toss them in a river it normally remedies the issue.

Not sure if this is cruelty to cats.... and don't particularly care... but I bust out laughing every time....

http://youtu.be/r5L5jiKoAJw