why didn't they just go with a Glock 17 and be done with it?

Nrm, no worries here, I can just tell you from the field I have heard some mixed, but mostly positive. And if they do completely phase the sigs out, we are at minimum 2-3 years away. But you are right there are always people who want to leave marks when they are here, be it in a division or for the whole department, but as far as this administration I personally don't find this to be a poor decision at all, especially comparatively to some of the other things changed.

And to the above poster DPS specifically issues pistols for highway patrol, so this will be what is not issued, along with the sigs that are currently out there, until as mentioned they may be completely phased out.

Crag, I was wondering the same thing. Gen 4's have the back strap interchangeability that would give Troopers with larger and smaller hands, flexibility to determine what works best for them like the M&P offers.

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Because S&W offered them a better deal.

And everyone with a 1911 will still outgun them.

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most bad guys probably do not carry a 45.

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Laugh/cry face needed.

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It took a LONG time to get DPS officers off the S&W .357. I don't recall if its a 686 or another model, but I've fired my buddy's (former DPS) revolver and it was easily the best revolver I've ever fired.

Unless this flops, in 5 years only a few will still be carrying the Sig and then they'll retire. That was the DPS's experience with the revolver.

My dad retired as the last trooper in the state with a revolver. S&W 686. He found ways to opt out for several years. He retired because he was finally about to be forced to switch to the Sig.

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Was probably a Model 19.

I think Dad had the 19 before he was issued the 686. He liked the 686 a lot more. The guys he worked with bought it for him when he retired.

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XDs aren't even in the same league as the M&P. I doubt very seriously that the DPS would trust the lives of its officers and the citizens of Texas to a piece of overpriced Croatian crap.

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What issues have you experienced with XD's? I own one and then also an XDS for carry and love both of them.

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They get reduced cost and a round that more candidates can handle in training/under fire.

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Have you fired a .357 Sig in the full sized Glock (whatever model it is)? I have, and the recoil isn't anywhere near as bad as one would think. Those training, including women, could get used to the weapon very easily compared to the 9 +P. I use Glock in this instance since it is one of the lightest full size handgun that one would think recoil would show up more in.

Hey, I'm a 9 guy -- I just don't think the other rounds are needed over a 9+p. However, I was surprised that the 357 recoil wasn't what I expected and for those that would put 500 rounds downrange in training, it isn't going to be a problem.

357 Sig recoil isn't bad - I liked the caliber, but I suspect a couple things

A) No one makes "reduced" loads for practice - which is a good thing, IMO - but it might make training more difficult.

B) It is VERY loud

C) Sight choices are limited - might not matter to a larger department, but I couldn't get the sights I like, in the proper heights for my G31 - someday, I need to have Dawson make a set, I suppose.

D) It is more snap/less capacity for a slight improvement in performance.

E) I suspect most of the benefit will come from leaving the Sig platform - its heavy, and the triggers are a bit awkward, even a Bruce Gray custom job doesn't do that much for them - Apex is doing entire department's M&Ps, and an Apex M&P is very impressive.

.357 glocks are awesome. I have a Glock 32 and wouldn't trade it for any other Glock caliber.

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Good one!

Might have to try one out... love my xdm 9 and glock gen 4 40, was never impressed with these when I shot em in the past.

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This plan was suspended due to too many malfunctions; including slides falling off of frames, sights falling off of slides, and internal parts breaking. Rumor is, the R&D that was supposed to have been completed was never done. Basically reports were fixed to set up a retirement job.

The Sig will stay for a while longer.

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Really? Everything I've heard indicates that the M&P is as reliable as a Glock.

Interesting that they're changing caliber AND manufacturer at the same time. Also saddens me they're moving away from the 226 - one of my favorite pistols, to the M&P which is not bad by any stretch, but shoots/feels about one step down IMO.

Anybody here shot the Sig P232 .380 ACP? Opinions?

As a lefty, a bunch of semi-auto pistols don't really work for me. As I remember (it has been a while since I shopped for a new one and I could be wrong on this) the M&P line didn't work for me. Do left handed troopers just have to adapt or what happens for them?

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Have you fired a .357 Sig in the full sized Glock (whatever model it is)? I have, and the recoil isn't anywhere near as bad as one would think. Those training, including women, could get used to the weapon very easily compared to the 9 +P. I use Glock in this instance since it is one of the lightest full size handgun that one would think recoil would show up more in.

Hey, I'm a 9 guy -- I just don't think the other rounds are needed over a 9+p. However, I was surprised that the 357 recoil wasn't what I expected and for those that would put 500 rounds downrange in training, it isn't going to be a problem.

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Sexy gun, never shot one, however.

Anybody got a link for the bump?

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No link for you but I can tell you internally that it is true...don't know all the specific malfunctions but enough they yanked the transition

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As a lefty, a bunch of semi-auto pistols don't really work for me. As I remember (it has been a while since I shopped for a new one and I could be wrong on this) the M&P line didn't work for me. Do left handed troopers just have to adapt or what happens for them?

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Something other than the mag release? It it reversible.

i would like to buy one of the DPS surplus SIGs. Where will these pop up?

Usually, via Sig's CPO program - I bought one - good deal (I think it was 450, for one w. 40 and 357 Sig mags), but I had to replace the cracked baseplates on the mags. (I'm sure SIG would have replaced them, if I asked, but I just went w. some aftermarket ones.)

I'd actually be glad if they do end up changing at some point. might make .357 SIG ammo a little more available for us common folks.

Looks like it will be a while longer before the switch happens.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/2420051053

http://www.texastribune.org/2014/04/17/dps-suspends-use-new-handgun-over-concerns/

Anyone seen any info on exactly what the issue is? The training comment at the end of the article does not compute.

I have family in the DPS and the one fishing with me yesterday told me the "switch" wasn't going to happen from what he has heard. He said problems with testing and the fact that one of the guys at DPS in charge was retiring from the DPS but that same guy who made the decision to switch was going to work for the M&P boys which was obviously a conflict of interest.

He personally doesn't want the 9mm...he wants to stay with his .357.