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Tx CHL ? - moved to Oklahoma

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Oruc Reis
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I know there is reciprocity and my tx chl is good here. I also just changed the address like you are supposed to. My question is this, when using the txdps site, everything is linked to my tx drivers license #. What happens when I eventually getting my ok license? Is my tx chl always linked to my old tx drivers license?

TIA
eric76
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I would think that upon moving to Oklahoma, you would have to obtain an Oklahoma CHL. The Reciprocity Agreement is for Texas Residents with a Texas CHL temporarily in Oklahoma.

If you run around with an Oklahoma address and a Texas CHL, don't be surprised if your Texas CHL isn't recognized at all. You could end up in jail with criminal charges for carrying a concealed weapon without a license.

[This message has been edited by eric76 (edited 5/9/2012 4:34p).]
purplehayes
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What eric said... Get the Okie CHL.
Oruc Reis
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All the research I have done points to the opposite of what y'all are saying.

As I understand it, I have to change the address on my TX CHL and it will essentially become a non-resident CHL. I can have an Oklahoma DL and a TX CHL as long as the addresses match.

Sources:
http://3gn.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=8&f=8&t=306279
http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7135
eric76
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Remember that Oklahoma, not Texas, will have jurisdiction in the matter. Whether or not Texas lets you keep the CHL is immaterial -- it is what Oklahoma says that matters.

If Oklahoma doesn't view a Texas CHL for an Oklahoma resident as valid, then you will be the one with a criminal record.

At the very least, speak to a knowledgeable attorney in Oklahoma about the matter.
eric76
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By the way, the bill in one of those links about non-resident licenses is to allow people from other states without a CHL license to obtain a Texas CHL to carry in Texas. From the text:
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The department by rule shall establish a procedure for a person who is a legal resident of a state that does not provide for the issuance of a license to carry a concealed handgun
If you are a legal resident of Oklahoma this phrasing indicates that you are not even eligible for Texas non resident CHL -- it would only apply if Oklahoma had no CHL program.

[This message has been edited by eric76 (edited 5/9/2012 5:07p).]
Oruc Reis
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well... crap. I'll do some more digging.
Oruc Reis
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eric, I think that rule is outdated now. You can get a non-res TX CHL regardless of whether your state has a CHL permit.

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7635
eric76
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There is this:

From the Oklahoma Statutes, Title 21. Crimes and Punishments, Chapter 53 - Manufacture, Sale, and Wearing of Weapons, Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, Section 1290.26 - Concealed Weapons-Licenses from Other States Valid, http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69809:
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RECIPROCAL AGREEMENT AUTHORITY

The State of Oklahoma hereby recognizes any valid concealed carry weapons permit or license issued by another state.

Any person entering this state in possession of a firearm authorized for concealed carry upon the authority and license of another state is authorized to continue to carry a concealed firearm and license in this state; provided the license from the other state remains valid. The firearm must be carried fully concealed from detection and view, and upon coming in contact with any peace officer of this state, the person must disclose the fact that he or she is in possession of a concealed firearm pursuant to a valid concealed carry weapons permit or license issued in another state. Any person who is twenty-one (21) years of age or older having a valid firearm license from another state may apply for a concealed handgun license in this state immediately upon establishing a residence in this state.
Thus, there is cause to believe that they may recognize it. But note that it speaks of "Any person entering this state in possession of a firearm authorized for concealed carry upon the authority and license of another state". Does that mean "for as long as you stay if you establish your residence in the state"? Or does it indicate someone in the state temporarily?

I'd certainly ask an attorney in Oklahoma to be sure.

Note that you can apply for an Oklahoma CHL immediately upon establishing residency.
eric76
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You're right. The one quoted on that web site is outdated. This is current:
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Sec. 411.173. NONRESIDENT LICENSE.

(a) The department by rule shall establish a procedure for a person who meets the eligibility requirements of this subchapter other than the residency requirement established by Section 411.172(a)(1) to obtain a license under this subchapter if the person is a legal resident of another state or if the person relocates to this state with the intent to establish residency in this state. The procedure must include payment of a fee in an amount sufficient to recover the average cost to the department of obtaining a criminal history record check and investigation on a nonresident applicant. A license issued in accordance with the procedure established under this subsection:

(1) remains in effect until the license expires under Section 411.183; and

(2) may be renewed under Section 411.185.
eric76
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This discussion is kind of interesting from http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/texas-concealed-handgun-chl-sponsored-double-action-chl/27477-oklahoma-cc-laws.html:
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In OK you cannot carry into any government building. You can in Texas aside from federal buildings

In OK you cannot carry at a meeting of a govt. In Texas you can unless given 30.06 notice

In OK you cannot carry at ANY sporting event. In Texas only High School, Collegiate, professional and interscholastic events are off limits

In OK you cannot carry larger than a .45

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quote:
In OK you cannot carry into any government building.

This includes places like road side "Welcome to Oklahoma" rest and information stops and museums owned by the state.

Their signs on those buildings warning folks is smaller than a 8.5 x 11 in piece of paper and was obscured in one case.

Don't underestimate how many buildings are #@$ government owned it's a pain in the butt up there.

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Be careful, as there are a few differences between Texas and Oklahoma

First, that state doesn't have a comparable 30.06 sign requirement! We were up there a few years back and I almost carried into an event (Tulsarama), but luckily I noticed the 'no guns' sign before going in. I had to go lock up my XD before entering, as that sign had what they call "the force of law."

Secondly, you must inform a law enforcement officer of the fact that you are carrying under Title 21 §1290.8, otherwise it is a misdemeanor with fines up to $500 and/or imprisonment up to 90 days! It is not when you are asked for identification, the law states you must do so "when you first come into contact with any law enforcement officer of this state or its political subdivisions or a federal law enforcement officer during the course of any arrest, detainment, or routine traffic stop."

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I found out the hard way that osbi gets nasty if you move outside of oklahoma with out returning them.

make sure that if you move their with your texas chl that you go to your local city or county police department and advise them that you have chl and are in their county. also one draw back from having texas chl in oklahoma is that you can not buy a hand gun with texas license in oklahoma.
roveram
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well... crap. I'll do some more digging.



Or you could just call OSBI. They're fairly easy to deal with.


What they're going to tell you is if you establish residency in OK, then get an OK CHL.

A few benefits in OK:

-no need to retest for renewals

-you're DL and CHL are independent of each other (I guess this isn't the case in TX?)

-99% chance that OK will soon be open carry for CHL holders. Concerns about printing will be a thing of the past

txyaloo
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The State of Oklahoma hereby recognizes any valid concealed carry weapons permit or license issued by another state.


The problem here is the word valid. If you are no longer a Texas resident, your resident CHL is no longer valid. Send off for a PA CHL before you move and you'll be fine or get a Texas non-resident license. (This is assuming OK recognizes non-resident permits).

I'd get an OK resident license if they have an education requirement just to know the laws of the state.
Tallen15s
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I know this is an old thread. But here is my situation. I live in Oklahoma. I moved from Texas to here. I still have a Texas DL and Permit... I am a veteran and get half price renewals on my Texas permit. They don't offer that up here. I know I should get an Oklahoma DL and permit. But I don't want to lose my half price renewal. I got the initial gun permit free because of my Vet status. Can I just change my address on me Texas CHL to my Oklahoma address and then get an Ok DL??
Aggies Revenge
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quote:
I know this is an old thread. But here is my situation. I live in Oklahoma. I moved from Texas to here. I still have a Texas DL and Permit... I am a veteran and get half price renewals on my Texas permit. They don't offer that up here. I know I should get an Oklahoma DL and permit. But I don't want to lose my half price renewal. I got the initial gun permit free because of my Vet status. Can I just change my address on me Texas CHL to my Oklahoma address and then get an Ok DL??
This just seems like setting yourself up for a heap of legal problems to save $50 every 4 years.
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