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LewisChilds
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Family friend and gun enthusiast gave me a sweet deal. Springfield M1A w/ glass bedding and national match sites for $1200. Then I noticed the serial number of 001251 and feel like maybe I shouldn't be using this for everyday shooting and hunting. Thoughts?



Ol Jock 99
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No idea, but.....if the cash has changed hands, stop looking for prices. You'll only make yourself unhappy. You bought it for what you thought it was worth. There are rare examples of steals out there...this probably isn't one.
txpirate11
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Nice.

Check the condition of the glass bed. They do age and wear out.
LewisChilds
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well regardless if its serial number puts it in a higher bracket, 1200 dollars was already a pretty damn good deal
WATER TOWER
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late 60's early 70's is my guess
X-at-10
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That M1A was made in 1973. Should have all military parts if it was assembled by Springfield Armory. They also sold stripped receivers for others to assemble. You can call them and they will tell you when it was made and if it was shipped complete or stripped.

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Walk softly, but carry..

[This message has been edited by X-at-10 (edited 8/7/2010 12:56p).]
Buck Turgidson
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Well a new one would start around $1,500+

If that one is well preserved and the barrel's in good shape, you probably did alright.

One question: Why does the stock appear shiny? Has it been refinished?
LewisChilds
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Previous owner had this to say about it:

"The receiver for that rifle was one of several I purchased from Springfield Armory in the early 80's. The rifle itself was built by the National Guard Advanced Marksmanship Training Unit which was located at the time in Nashville. I was heavily involved in competetive shooting at the time and had a whole collection of target rifles I alternated in using."

The stock just looks shiny in the photo from the lighting and flash. Owner assured me that the serial number didn't make it anymore of a collector's items.
Log
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Holy crap dude, that's a Devine. TX made. Look on the underside of the barrel right in front of the gas cylinder and see if there is an address stamped there. If it does, Elmer Ballance built it; if not he sold the stripped receiver and someone else built it up. They are selling for $2500+ due to their collectibility.

More info here:

http://www.m14tfl.com/upload/forumdisplay.php?f=117
AgEng06
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Well lookie there, now it appears you got a hell of a deal! Thanks for the info Log. I have a few friends from Devine, and I'm sure they don't know about this. They will be excited to hear it.
LewisChilds
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Thanks for the information Log...No address on the barrel but I'm definitely going to look into it.
corpus90Ag
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Log! I was born and raised in devine. What is this info about M1's having to do with the town. I have not lived there since the early 90's.
Log
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From M-14 Rifle History and Development (old version available here http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/M14_RHAD_Online_Edition_061010.pdf):

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/

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The Springfield Armory, Inc. story begins with U. S. Air Force veteran Mr. Elmer Ballance of Devine, Texas. His last name is correctly spelled with two lower case letters “L.” He started his business, L. H. Gun Co., in 1960 while stationed at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas. The base had a housing subdivision named Lackland Heights. To save time writing, he named his company, L. H. Gun Co. “L. H.” is an abbreviation for Lackland Heights. While serving in the Air Force, Mr. Ballance shot the M14 rifle in competition on the All Air Force High Power Team. Staff Sergeant Ballance earned U. S. Air Force Distinguished Rifleman Badge (# 42) before completing his military service in 1964. After that, he built match grade M1 Garand rifles for competition shooters. At some point, L. H. Gun Company also produced and sold .30 Caliber M1 Carbine ammunition in boxes of fifty cartridges. The U. S. Army Springfield Armory had closed down in April 1968. During the NRA National Matches at Camp Perry in the summer of 1968, the closure of Springfield Armory was a topic of discussion among the attendees including Elmer Ballance, Karl Maunz and Melvin Smith. These three men and an unnamed fourth person, held two or three meetings during August 1968 in one of the wood huts used to house civilian competitors. During one of these meetings, there was a Buckeye beer case full of Melvin Smith welded M1 Garand receivers wrapped in newspaper in the middle of the hut. It was in this meeting that Karl Maunz voiced his suggestion to name the business venture that would produce commercial M14 type rifles, “Springfield.” This was agreed to by the four men present.

Subsequent to this, Mr. Ballance began the process to acquire the name “Springfield Armory” for production of his commercial version of the M14 rifle. In late 1969, Mr. Ballance commenced work on making the dream of civilian M14 type rifles become reality. Though banks refused to fund his dream, this did not deter him. Mr. Ballance raised the funds himself. He and Melvin Smith of Valley Ordnance Co. worked together to get the equipment set up for production of the civilian receiver and complete rifles at their respective facilities in Texas and Pennsylvania. Some of the machinery and parts which Mr. Ballance purchased for the project came from the Harrington & Richardson plant in Worcester, MA.


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In January 1972 Valley Ordnance Co. (Wilkes-Barre, PA) was prepared to manufacture all major M1A components. Melvin Smith and Elmer Ballance agreed that Valley Ordnance would be responsible for the manufacture of the components parts and for maintaining an adequate supply of spare parts. Valley Ordnance would handle all quality control on receivers and any barrels that it might make. L. H. Gun Company would supervise all quality control during assembly and final testing and would have the sole right to sell M1A rifles. A large stack of customer orders had been building up. The San Antonio plant was not able to meet the demand. So, the L. H. Gun Company was forced to move to a new facility in Devine, TX. Beginning on February 03, 1972, Springfield Armory, Inc. moved its operations and inventory about thirty-five miles to Route 1 Devine, TX 78016. Mr. Ballance was receiving mail and had telephone phone service at Route 1 Box 210 Devine, Texas 78016 by no later than March 04, 1972. No M1A rifles or receivers were shipped until after an amended Federal Firearms License with the new address was issued on March 23, 1972. Before May 13, 1972, Mr. Ballance was marketing his business as Springfield Armory.


[This message has been edited by Log (edited 8/8/2010 3:48p).]
corpus90Ag
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Log! that is incredible! I just spoke with my Dad and he was not aware about the gentleman. He has lived there since the 60's. He lived on Route 2 box 10. He is calling a friend of his Ron Harrison who is a local custom gunsmith. Thanks for the info.
corpus90Ag
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Log! A little follow up. Elmer still lives there in Devine. My understanding is he is in his late 80's. He undoubtedly has lived quite an adventurous life.
alexxtheartsmith
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hi my names hayley, though i usually use alexx instead, i decided to register for this site because melvin smith, who was talked about on here earlier is actually my father, he died when i was very young and ive been trying to find out more about him ever since. he was an amazing man, he led a great life. if anyone could help with more information id greatly appreciate it. im also trying to get in touch with anyone who may have knew him more personally in the past or even get in touch with the man in devine tx who he worked with.it would mean the world to me if anyone could help.
thanks.
Yesterday
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I can't help you Alex, but good luck with the search.
Log
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Post here asking for contact info, and someone will put you in touch with Mr. Balance.

http://m14forum.com/m14/
confucius_ag
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This thread just got awesome.
OleRock02
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Mr07Ag
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Very cool!
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