Thanks, AC. Last time I put the rub on the night before, cooked at 225 for 8 hours with an internal heat of 190 degrees (7 lbs brisket with some liquid smoke too), let it sit one hour, cut and served. I would honestly say that 65 percent of it was excellent for an oven brisket and was very tender with no need of a knife. the other 35 percent was a little tough for some reason (and I did cut in the correct direction).