Is the long expected Xbox death upon us?

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Aggie71013 said:

Almost guaranteed this is for MSFT as a whole and a rage bait tweet. Every tech company has a massive amount of H1Bs so everyone would have to stop using tech to avoid supporting this.


Yes, I would tend to agree with you. I doubt she would have enough power to go hire and fire like that on her own anyway. The H1B decision would have been made above her.

Edit: It's still b.s. when companies fire employees and then replace them with H1Bs which has happened repeatedly in the last 5 years though.
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100% agree on your last statement.
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A lot of the developers complaining on social media are extremely delusional, with a very common sentiment being that it's cruel or hostile to fire people/close down studios that aren't productive or profitable. Look at this person, for example:

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There's tons of nuance in these discussions that gets missed on the consumer side.

I studied animation, focusing on games for a while, for about 5 years and have friends that have worked on pretty much any title you can name. Inside the studios those people work insanely hard in very volatile environments where a change in direction and/or management can wipe out months of work in an afternoon. It's also an incredibly rough job market right now, I know tons of people who have worked on huge titles that having a hard time finding work.

If you've noticed more delays, expense, and longer development cycles in the past several years, it's not a coincidence that those things have been happening at the same time Microsoft took ownership of many of the studios that used to create these games independently. The same thing has happened with the giant conglomerate studios like EA, as well as Sony to an extent (though some of their previously independent studios seem to have been more successful managing their timelines and releases).The things we all complain about can almost always be traced back to indecision at the higher levels.

In short, the massive amounts of money to made in gaming have made it more beancounting than creative, just like most entertainment these days. And that makes it worse for everybody except the people making the decisions (who are generally insulated from the repercussions of their decisions).
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Yep, so bottom line is that this is just typical big company bureaucracy that almost always happens when the smaller company gets gobbled up. Nimbleness and culture die almost 100% of the time in this scenario. Anyone who has worked corporate has seen it and/or lived it. This was inevitable.

Thankfully, we still get a ton of games from non-MS studios.
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Waffledynamics said:

A lot of the developers complaining on social media are extremely delusional, with a very common sentiment being that it's cruel or hostile to fire people/close down studios that aren't productive or profitable. Look at this person, for example:



What a clown. Welcome to the real world. You aren't owed a job at Microsoft.
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Aggie71013 said:

Almost guaranteed this is for MSFT as a whole and a rage bait tweet. Every tech company has a massive amount of H1Bs so everyone would have to stop using tech to avoid supporting this.


Yes, I would tend to agree with you. I doubt she would have enough power to go hire and fire like that on her own anyway. The H1B decision would have been made above her.

Edit: It's still b.s. when companies fire employees and then replace them with H1Bs which has happened repeatedly in the last 5 years though.


It is the new normal. Adapt or die. Especially since Covid and remote/distributed work becoming more prevalent, anything tech/software/digital is a global workforce. Companies are naturally going to migrate their workforce to where they can get the best ROI.
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YouBet said:

Waffledynamics said:

A lot of the developers complaining on social media are extremely delusional, with a very common sentiment being that it's cruel or hostile to fire people/close down studios that aren't productive or profitable. Look at this person, for example:



What a clown. Welcome to the real world. You aren't owed a job at Microsoft.


This mindset is sadly very prevalent in the industry, especially amongst younger workers.
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Artorias said:

YouBet said:

Aggie71013 said:

Almost guaranteed this is for MSFT as a whole and a rage bait tweet. Every tech company has a massive amount of H1Bs so everyone would have to stop using tech to avoid supporting this.


Yes, I would tend to agree with you. I doubt she would have enough power to go hire and fire like that on her own anyway. The H1B decision would have been made above her.

Edit: It's still b.s. when companies fire employees and then replace them with H1Bs which has happened repeatedly in the last 5 years though.


It is the new normal. Adapt or die. Especially since Covid and remote/distributed work becoming more prevalent, anything tech/software/digital is a global workforce. Companies are naturally going to migrate their workforce to where they can get the best ROI.


Sure. I just dispute the ROI which I think is b.s. I've lived this trend as a senior corporate leader and the ROI is completely bogus.
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No argument from me that the actual ROI is not as great as the C suite sees in terms of numbers on a quarterly report. Quality typically suffers from my experience, but not enough to offset the cost savings.
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Artorias said:

No argument from me that the actual ROI is not as great as the C suite sees in terms of numbers on a quarterly report. Quality typically suffers from my experience, but not enough to offset the cost savings.


Well, we can agree to disagree. We actually brought everything back in house after a decade of outsourcing to HCL and Tata because the ROI was b.s. once you factored quality and time to release, but we were the rare company to actually pull the plug and do that. And I'm derailing so will stop here.
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I'm not disagreeing from my personal perspective. Just pointing out what execs often think.
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