why are you comparing performance mode versus the PS5 pro? shouldn't you use quality? and in that case what is the difference?
And at launch the PS3 was backwards compatible.AgDev01 said:
When you include the price of the stand and disc drive you easily surpass the PS3 in price. With the PS3 you could at least make the case of the value of the BluRay drive.
AgDev01 said:
why are you comparing performance mode versus the PS5 pro? shouldn't you use quality? and in that case what is the difference?
agdoc2001 said:
Yep. That looks like $700 worth of fidelity to me.
AggiEE said:agdoc2001 said:
Yep. That looks like $700 worth of fidelity to me.
An equivalent PC will cost over double that. And it's the fidelity PLUS double the frame rate
Whether that's worth it to you is your choice, the basic ps5 for $500 is still a great system but some will trade in and pay a few hundred bucks for a Pro to last them the rest of the generation
AvsB said:AggiEE said:agdoc2001 said:
Yep. That looks like $700 worth of fidelity to me.
An equivalent PC will cost over double that. And it's the fidelity PLUS double the frame rate
Whether that's worth it to you is your choice, the basic ps5 for $500 is still a great system but some will trade in and pay a few hundred bucks for a Pro to last them the rest of the generation
Agree. The Pro is worth the $699 Sony is asking. I also understand the sticker shock but EVERYTHING is more expensive on 2024. This Pro's are not meant for everyone and they never were. It is for the people that have to have the Ultra Apple Watch over the series 9. The standard PS5 is perfect for 90% of people out there.
Fenrir said:AvsB said:AggiEE said:agdoc2001 said:
Yep. That looks like $700 worth of fidelity to me.
An equivalent PC will cost over double that. And it's the fidelity PLUS double the frame rate
Whether that's worth it to you is your choice, the basic ps5 for $500 is still a great system but some will trade in and pay a few hundred bucks for a Pro to last them the rest of the generation
Agree. The Pro is worth the $699 Sony is asking. I also understand the sticker shock but EVERYTHING is more expensive on 2024. This Pro's are not meant for everyone and they never were. It is for the people that have to have the Ultra Apple Watch over the series 9. The standard PS5 is perfect for 90% of people out there.
If what I saw before was correct then the PS4 pro was cheaper than PS4 was at release when adjusting for inflation. It was way closer to a mainstream option than this one is. Problem right now is that costs have skyrocketed across the board but incomes haven't even come close to keeping up on average...and I absolutely believe Sony gets greedy at times.
Lathspell said:
4k at 30fps vs 4k at 60fps is HUGE. Whether it's worth $700 for someone is all subjective. For some, $700 is hardly a purchase you even thunk about.
Also, I'm sure the PS5 will retain a decent trade I'm value, so more like $500-600.
The problem imo, is that we are 4 years into the cycle and they were using games that are on the PS4 to hype this product. I was very surprised that they didn't have anything lined up to announce with this console. Maybe it is worth it for GTA6 but outside of that there just doesnt seem to be a killer new game to help drive sales.AggiEE said:
Unfortunately you will notice that PS5 is now 4 years into the generation without a price reduction, and actually received multiple mini-price hikes. PS4 was reduced to $299 ($250 with some holiday deals if I recall too) now when the PS4 Pro launched at $399.
AgDev01 said:The problem imo, is that we are 4 years into the cycle and they were using games that are on the PS4 to hype this product. I was very surprised that they didn't have anything lined up to announce with this console. Maybe it is worth it for GTA6 but outside of that there just doesnt seem to be a killer new game to help drive sales.AggiEE said:
Unfortunately you will notice that PS5 is now 4 years into the generation without a price reduction, and actually received multiple mini-price hikes. PS4 was reduced to $299 ($250 with some holiday deals if I recall too) now when the PS4 Pro launched at $399.
The "PCMasterRace" always flaps their gums about the "PC equivalent" being the same.Fenrir said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/09/16/playstation-6-priced-at-700-like-ps5-pro-its-looking-likely/
This expands on my concerns regarding the future PS6 I mentioned in my first post. Feels like console gaming is about to get way more expensive than I'm willing to go with. At that price and with Sony games moving to PC, even if delayed, I might as well go to PC based.
SF2004 said:
You can get a 1080P PC and then use the AMD/Nvidia super scaling to 4x the pixels but that is as close as you can get.
It would take a $2k pc to run consistently 4k 60fps.
I'm certainly not convinced they are going to be running 4k at 60 fps on PS5 Pro or PS6.SF2004 said:The "PCMasterRace" always flaps their gums about the "PC equivalent" being the same.Fenrir said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/09/16/playstation-6-priced-at-700-like-ps5-pro-its-looking-likely/
This expands on my concerns regarding the future PS6 I mentioned in my first post. Feels like console gaming is about to get way more expensive than I'm willing to go with. At that price and with Sony games moving to PC, even if delayed, I might as well go to PC based.
Please show us the equivalent (no used parts) PC for $700... I'll help, you can't.
You can get a 1080P PC and then use the AMD/Nvidia super scaling to 4x the pixels but that is as close as you can get.
It would take a $2k pc to run consistently 4k 60fps.
Fenrir said:I'm certainly not convinced they are going to be running 4k at 60 fps on PS5 Pro or PS6.SF2004 said:The "PCMasterRace" always flaps their gums about the "PC equivalent" being the same.Fenrir said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/09/16/playstation-6-priced-at-700-like-ps5-pro-its-looking-likely/
This expands on my concerns regarding the future PS6 I mentioned in my first post. Feels like console gaming is about to get way more expensive than I'm willing to go with. At that price and with Sony games moving to PC, even if delayed, I might as well go to PC based.
Please show us the equivalent (no used parts) PC for $700... I'll help, you can't.
You can get a 1080P PC and then use the AMD/Nvidia super scaling to 4x the pixels but that is as close as you can get.
It would take a $2k pc to run consistently 4k 60fps.
I also never said anything about equivalent, but there is going to be a point (and that point is going to be way different for different people) where moving to PC begins to look more attractive. $700+ for a disc-less console that typically has higher software costs and a somewhat smaller selection of available games is getting awfully close for me.
YouBet said:Fenrir said:I'm certainly not convinced they are going to be running 4k at 60 fps on PS5 Pro or PS6.SF2004 said:The "PCMasterRace" always flaps their gums about the "PC equivalent" being the same.Fenrir said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/09/16/playstation-6-priced-at-700-like-ps5-pro-its-looking-likely/
This expands on my concerns regarding the future PS6 I mentioned in my first post. Feels like console gaming is about to get way more expensive than I'm willing to go with. At that price and with Sony games moving to PC, even if delayed, I might as well go to PC based.
Please show us the equivalent (no used parts) PC for $700... I'll help, you can't.
You can get a 1080P PC and then use the AMD/Nvidia super scaling to 4x the pixels but that is as close as you can get.
It would take a $2k pc to run consistently 4k 60fps.
I also never said anything about equivalent, but there is going to be a point (and that point is going to be way different for different people) where moving to PC begins to look more attractive. $700+ for a disc-less console that typically has higher software costs and a somewhat smaller selection of available games is getting awfully close for me.
How much of an issue is this still? I don't understand why an adult with a job would care about this unless you are a nerd who likes to collect. Nothing wrong with that at all; guess I just keep underestimating the desire for physical game media. Can understand it if you are lower income and don't have a broadband connection...I guess.
I haven't bought physical game media in a decade or more.
Fenrir said:YouBet said:Fenrir said:I'm certainly not convinced they are going to be running 4k at 60 fps on PS5 Pro or PS6.SF2004 said:The "PCMasterRace" always flaps their gums about the "PC equivalent" being the same.Fenrir said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/09/16/playstation-6-priced-at-700-like-ps5-pro-its-looking-likely/
This expands on my concerns regarding the future PS6 I mentioned in my first post. Feels like console gaming is about to get way more expensive than I'm willing to go with. At that price and with Sony games moving to PC, even if delayed, I might as well go to PC based.
Please show us the equivalent (no used parts) PC for $700... I'll help, you can't.
You can get a 1080P PC and then use the AMD/Nvidia super scaling to 4x the pixels but that is as close as you can get.
It would take a $2k pc to run consistently 4k 60fps.
I also never said anything about equivalent, but there is going to be a point (and that point is going to be way different for different people) where moving to PC begins to look more attractive. $700+ for a disc-less console that typically has higher software costs and a somewhat smaller selection of available games is getting awfully close for me.
How much of an issue is this still? I don't understand why an adult with a job would care about this unless you are a nerd who likes to collect. Nothing wrong with that at all; guess I just keep underestimating the desire for physical game media. Can understand it if you are lower income and don't have a broadband connection...I guess.
I haven't bought physical game media in a decade or more.
Same reason this guy said about books on this thread
https://texags.com/forums/30/topics/3477655/replies/68183952
Fenrir said:
I don't see much difference. Games have disappeared from digital storefronts before for various reasons (many had nothing to do with the actual game but with music licensing) and now they have the ability to remove delisted games from your console's hard drive should it be connected to the Internet. Reality is that digital ownership is just an oxymoron.
AggiEE said:
The truth is that consoles vs. PCs isn't much different than it's always been. Back in the PS4 days, you could buy a PS4 console for $399 or a PC with roughly the same specs for around 2x the cost.
What's changed is that the cost has universally gone up. Margins on PC components are even higher than they've ever been. So a PS5 Pro equivalent PC will cost around $1500.
Regarding the bolded: lack of physical games isn't a selling point for PC, it's that console may very well be losing what is a major selling point for me personally. I replay games quite often.AggiEE said:Fenrir said:
I don't see much difference. Games have disappeared from digital storefronts before for various reasons (many had nothing to do with the actual game but with music licensing) and now they have the ability to remove delisted games from your console's hard drive should it be connected to the Internet. Reality is that digital ownership is just an oxymoron.
Well there's no physical games on PC, so I'm not sure why that would be a selling point to moving over.
The truth is that consoles vs. PCs isn't much different than it's always been. Back in the PS4 days, you could buy a PS4 console for $399 or a PC with roughly the same specs for around 2x the cost.
What's changed is that the cost has universally gone up. Margins on PC components are even higher than they've ever been. So a PS5 Pro equivalent PC will cost around $1500.
I don't really see PC and consoles overlapping though. The PC is simply not an ideal product if you play on your couch. The OS and issues with tinkering are just not what console players want. The PC is for those that like to tinker more, it's a lot more active rather than plug-n-play. Nothing wrong with that of course, but I can't imagine a person used to playing on a console somehow liking the PC experience in comparison.
Fenrir said:
I don't see much difference. Games have disappeared from digital storefronts before for various reasons (many had nothing to do with the actual game but with music licensing) and now they have the ability to remove delisted games from your console's hard drive should it be connected to the Internet. Reality is that digital ownership is just an oxymoron.
AgDev01 said:AggiEE said:
The truth is that consoles vs. PCs isn't much different than it's always been. Back in the PS4 days, you could buy a PS4 console for $399 or a PC with roughly the same specs for around 2x the cost.
What's changed is that the cost has universally gone up. Margins on PC components are even higher than they've ever been. So a PS5 Pro equivalent PC will cost around $1500.
This is just wrong. I posted a PC above that will blow the doors off any console for $1k and doesn't require a subscription to pay online.
hph6203 said:
I'd bet the likelihood of a game being de-listed/unplayable on a digital platform is not markedly different than the rate of failure of the physical media. The actual value of physical media is not so much the retention of the game, but the opportunity to get rid of it.
For the people that argue they're buying physical for preservation purposes I'd say it's almost definitely that they're actually just collectors and preservation is the just the backed into logical justification rather than the reality. I'd bet there is a massive overlap between people that buy physical media and people that buy Amiibos, Funcopop dolls and other tchotchkes.