Holy crap

all servers down right now for all consoles

"Updates: a group of hackers have attempted to hack and destroy sony entertainment? well, they didnt, but! they did indeed hack microsoft causing xbox live outages in areas of the world. then very shortly after that sony started recieving high rish ddos attacks therefore they closed PSN to insure your safety and it will be up shortly Microsoft is still under attack but it is slowly improving ill keep you posted my friend works for sony."

Been happening all week ob PSN. Annonymous is attacking Sony for their lawsuit against Geohot.

Now they are waginh war on Sony execs. Trying to get pesonal info on accounts and family.

******bagger at it's purest form

what a bunch of ass holes

[This message has been edited by St_Jason (edited 4/8/2011 8:44a).]

I'm all in support of this personally.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Tm7UKo4IBc

Sony can suck a nut, if you ask me. I hope Anonymous keeps screwing with them till they do something.

1) Tons of people purchased the PS3 simply for the "Install Other OS" feature. Myself included.
2) All of a sudden for no decent reason Sony decides to completely remove that feature.
3) Someone spends the time to hack the PS3 and help get that feature back for those who want it.
4) Sony doesn't like that so they sue that guy.
5) Not only do they sue HIM, but they're demanding the information of everyone who visited his website to be turned over to them.

Screw Sony. I don't always agree with the stuff Anonymous does, but this is one thing I definitely agree on.

I have the most issues with numbers 2 and 5. I hate when companies remove an advertised feature and I also hate that they're taking the shotgun approach. Sony hasn't ever been what I would consider consumer friendly so neither of those actions surprise me.

I dont agree with their methods, but I understand their reasoning. Pretty ****ty moves by Sony, coming from a guy who has been a Playstation guy for a while.

Anon is just a bunch of petulant children. They're just throwing a temper tantrum. In the end when they stop stamping their feet, Sony will be no worse for wear.

EDIT: #2 was likely a direct result of geohot's first attempt at cracking the PS3.

[This message has been edited by Fenrir (edited 4/8/2011 9:23a).]

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Anon is just a bunch of petulant children. They're just throwing a temper tantrum.

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While the "masses" of Anonymous are just that... the head guys are actually pretty damn smart people.

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EDIT: #2 was likely a direct result of geohot's first attempt at cracking the PS3.

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So? Because one dude was trying to hack the PS3, they decide to remove that feature on every PS3 worldwide? I don't think so.

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Not only do they sue HIM, but they're demanding the information of everyone who visited his website to be turned over to them.

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Big issue with me.

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Anon is just a bunch of petulant children. They're just throwing a temper tantrum.

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They very may well be but i'm not so sure their actions are a bad thing. I think a case can be made that using the internet is just a new form of civil disobedience directed at the private sector instead of the government, which many of these corporations have a pretty incestuous relationship with. personally i am happy to see consumers engaged even if their actions might not be the best course.

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So? Because one dude was trying to hack the PS3, they decide to remove that feature on every PS3 worldwide? I don't think so.

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Because it would've made piracy much more viable on the PS3.

and every laptop they sell can make piracy much more viable for their record label. Something potentially happening isn't justification for their actions imo. I understand they want to protect their profits but the response was way too broad for my tastes.

Those really aren't comparable situations. Nobody hacked their laptops and spread some of their intellectual property on the internet.

That's an absolutely horrible argument, I'm sorry.

Piracy and hacking happen on every console. It's just how things work. You don't simply remove a major feature because one dude is working on hacking it.

Removing that feature isn't going to stop anything.

Major feature? I think you're overestimating how many people used the "Other OS" option.

Regardless of your opinion on it, it was still a major feature, and a lot of people used it.

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1) Tons of people purchased the PS3 simply for the "Install Other OS" feature. Myself included.
2) All of a sudden for no decent reason Sony decides to completely remove that feature.
3) Someone spends the time to hack the PS3 and help get that feature back for those who want it.
4) Sony doesn't like that so they sue that guy.
5) Not only do they sue HIM, but they're demanding the information of everyone who visited his website to be turned over to them.

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1) tap the breaks. I have a HUGE friends list on the PS3 and member of several online communities and not one (except 99) has installed the "other OS" on their systems. I understand the desire to do so, but in reality...VERY little of the install base did, hell even knew you could.
2) Again a non-issue with 99.9% of Sony's user base. And yes I know the USAF made a chain of Linux PS3's to make the fastest computer.
3)HE BROKE SONY's TOS. He logged into the network with a PS3 that was hacked entering into the Terms of Service that Sony set on PS3 usage.
4)Litigation is unfortunate in this situation. What is also unfortunate is the $$ collected for Geohotz defense went to fund a vacation in S. America (allegedly)
5) Not cool with this one at all. Sony asked for it. Courts (will) could have said "No can do" Courts (will give) gave permission, go after the State and Fed Gov't then as well if permission is granted.

I don't agree at all with what Anon is doing, neither do I agree with Sony's course of action. Sony does have a right to take action, just wish it hadn't been so "legal" in nature. In the long run it is affecting the user and not Sony. Do your DDoS and hacking on Sony's dime, not mine. I pay for my PSN+ account and that account has been affected.

Could only imagine how much worse this could get if they screw with MS and the millions of users that pay to get online.

At the end of the day it is a F'd up situation for the whole thing. Anon is kicking and screaming like an infant that got it's ball taken away and Sony is being the catholic school teacher with the wooden ruler. If I don't get to watch "Ernest Goes to Jail" on the PSN because if this...I'M A GONNA BE PISSED!

[This message has been edited by atmhockey (edited 4/8/2011 10:27a).]

so whats anon's reasoning behind going after Xbox Live?

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poor 99. so stupid

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Everything I said was true.

And regardless of how many people used the Install Other OS feature, the fact remains that some people DID use it. Many people purchased their PS3 with that as one of the primary features they were interested in using.

I don't care that 99% of your buddies on your PSN friends list don't use it. That doesn't mean some other people didn't use it. Sony had no right to just remove it. Sorry.

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I don't agree at all with what Anon is doing, neither do I agree with Sony's course of action. Sony does have a right to take action, just wish it hadn't been so "legal" in nature. In the long run it is affecting the user and not Sony. Do your DDoS and hacking on Sony's dime, not mine. I pay for my PSN+ account and that account has been affected.

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This is the most amazing part of it all to me. Anon argues they fight for the common internet user but then turn around and **** with the very services and products those people pay to use. They don't give two craps about the common internet user. They just don't want people stepping on their ability to hack and abuse copyright laws.

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I don't care that 99% of your buddies on your PSN friends list don't use it. That doesn't mean some other people didn't use it. Sony had no right to just remove it. Sorry.

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They didn't have the right to remove a feature from their own product?

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They didn't have the right to remove a feature from their own product?

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You mean remove a feature from YOU'RE product that YOU purchased?

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Regardless of your opinion on it, it was still a major feature, and a lot of people used it.

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Atm hit this on the head, in no way is this a major feature and i would bet the people who bought a ps3 on because they could install another OS is like 100 people. If you want to do this than just roll back your ps3 to the older firmware and not be able use the psn. You can't blame sony for trying to curb pirating of its software.

Geohot needs to settle this in court, it worked for cell phones and now you can legally jailbreak them I don't see how this wouldn't hold up for the ps3. I can see sony banning you from the psn but that is there right as a free service to its customers to do.

I think geohot should be able to do whatever he wants with the ps3 he bought but should settle it in court.

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Atm hit this on the head, in no way is this a major feature and i would bet the people who bought a ps3 on because they could install another OS is like 100 people. If you want to do this than just roll back your ps3 to the older firmware and not be able use the psn. You can't blame sony for trying to curb pirating of its software.

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It's a major feature for the people that used it.

Some of y'all are so ignorant about this it's ridiculous. Just because you don't see it as an important feature doesn't mean other people didn't. Yeah, the majority of PS3 owners I'm sure could care less. So what? There's still well more than 100 people that had interest in this feature.

The majority of PS3 owners have no interest in modding their PS3 to play pirated games either. So that argument is pretty moot.

And you can't just "roll back" the firmware on your PS3, btw.

I'm a little torn on this issue. If I used the install other OS feature, I might be a little more on the side of anon. I just can't get behind a campaign like the one they are launching. I think that their list of demands from the video are kind of stupid. What are they going to do if the demands aren't met? Dig up and publish personal info about Sony execs? And then what?

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What are they going to do if the demands aren't met? Dig up and publish personal info about Sony execs? And then what?

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I'm sure they'll come up with something to really hurt Sony as a company.

Anon has the brains and the manpower to cause serious problems. I don't agree with Sony at all, but I'm still having problems bucketing Anon as terrorists or protesters.

So why hack xbox live?

Anon confuses me with the issues they champion and choose to fight for. If they want to be taken serious (as they should) they need to really decide what is important and go after it.

PS3 Losing "other OS" =/= Iranian freedom or bogus foreclosures.

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Atm hit this on the head, in no way is this a major feature and i would bet the people who bought a ps3 on because they could install another OS is like 100 people.

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I don't care if 1 or 1 million people used it the fact of the matter is they advertised that as being part of the product they sold. Hell the instructions are even in the manual. Removing that is absolutely wrong. The fact that you would except they should be able to do this is scary.

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I don't agree with Sony at all, but I'm still having problems bucketing Anon as terrorists or protesters.

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Terrorists? really?

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Sony has no right to tell you how to use something that you bought and paid for. Once it's you property it's none of their concern. If someone hacks it ban them from PSN.

Installing a 2nd os was a major feature because it was marketed as one whether you used it or not.

When did Americans become such p***ies? Companies have become too comfortable between monopolistic practices and govt bailouts if there wasn't social unrest things would never change. I for one am tired of them blurring the lines of ownership.

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When did Americans become such p***ies?

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When we switched from producing to meet needs to producing to meet wants, it just isn't a strong enough motivator.
Personally, I don't understand why people are so content to accept what corporations give them, be it Apple, Sony, AT&T, etc and not exercise their rights as consumers. It is that type of attitude that has lead to the erosion of civil liberties in all aspects. Corporations pay regulatory bodies and legislators to pass BS regulations and laws and consumers just accept it. People seem to forget the part that for capitalism to exist consumers have to take an active role.

I just re-read my post and I may have come off sounding like I was backing Sony on this one, which I am not. As of right now, they are certainly the greater of the 2 evils in this fight IMO.

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When did Americans become such p***ies?

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When they began voting/purchasing for one selfish cause and not the whole package.

How many black Americans voted for Obama just because he was black? Regardless of skins on the wall.

How many peole bought an iPhone just to have an iPhone? regardless of AT&T's crappy network.

How many Christians voted for {enter Repub here} simply because they are pro-life? Regardless of candidates views on budget, commerce, immigration, etc.

How many people are angry about the "other OS" removal by Sony? Regardless if the removal made the system more secure as a whole.

Have no doubt about it, this is all about protecting the PS3 from piracy. Sony watched their PSP handheld get KILLED by it.

I think I was clear, I don't favor either party here. Sony should have the right to protect the network Playstation universe from piracy. This was never clearly stated by Sony nor would have it mattered to Anon since they feel piracy is just a form of "freedom"

Sony should have given the option to keep the "other OS" feature but in all right limited what that PS3 could do ON THE PSN if a user chose to keep that feature. They should have not just burned it from every PS3 all scorched earth like.

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So why hack xbox live?

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Maybe I am not seeing the same articles as everybody else but I don't see any articles of them actually trying to get xbox live. All the articles previously are only mentioning the sony/geohot deal. Maybe its a regional thing but I have had no issues logging into xbox live this week.

I hadn't heard anything about XBL either. I think the OP just said his friend said both were being attacked.

BTW...I haven't had any issued logging in to PSN this week either. I know others that have but not my machine. Maybe I was getting on at times that Anon called off their dogs.

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Sony should have given the option to keep the "other OS" feature but in all right limited what that PS3 could do ON THE PSN if a user chose to keep that feature. They should have not just burned it from every PS3 all scorched earth like.

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This would've been the best choice. But that ship has long since sailed.

I had a slight issue getting onto the PSN last Saturday I believe it was, but no issues since. I just don't see Anon's DDoS tactics working as well on a company with the resources as Sony.