Larry Allen is in.GrapevineAg said:98Ag99Grad said:
Yeah not nearly as many as you'd think.
Yeah, if you put down Emmett and Troy because it was all the OL, then a lot of the OL needs to be in.
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Smeghead4761 said:Larry Allen is in.GrapevineAg said:98Ag99Grad said:
Yeah not nearly as many as you'd think.
Yeah, if you put down Emmett and Troy because it was all the OL, then a lot of the OL needs to be in.
1 OL that played in 1 SB is not enough.
I think people get hung up on comparing stats and -- in most cases, athletes -- from different eras. Would Babe Ruth even make a modern MLB roster? Of course not. Terry Bradshaw probably wouldn't start for a P5 college football program. George Mikan would be playing NAIA ball. It's like asking if the American army that won the Spanish-American War could beat the modern Canadian army. It's nonsensical.MookieBlaylock said:BassCowboy33 said:Trucker 96 said:
Eli will get in eventually, but he does have a weird career. A couple of high peaks in what matters most surrounded by a lot of meh. Feels right for him not to be a 1st ballot. Kickers always have an uphill battle
Was legit a bottom 5 QB in the NFL for a chunk of his career. He had some staggeringly bad seasons in his prime. It's kinda funny how many people forget that.
I remember being in college in NYC after he threw three pick sixes in a single game. Thought my NY buddies were going to run him out of town.
the QB barrier is already low b/c of Aikman- if Eli gets in then every top 10 QB of every era deserves to get in
For NFL quarterbacks, there are some clear delineations, some of which is talent and some of which is offensive evolution. Most notably in our time, before and after Peyton Manning. Post-2001 was the golden age of quarterbacks. The wide use of shotgun, audibles, and zone passing changed everything. The league had never seen so many excellent passers. Guys that made Young, Aikman, and Elway look pedestrian, and Staubach, Bradshaw, and Tarkenton look like JV.
From 1979-2001, QBr was basically the same, with only marginal increases and fluctuations. In 2002, it broke 80.0 for the first time, and then began an almost parabolic climb. By 2010, it had climbed the same amount as the previous 20 years.
It's still on a similar trajectory. The average QBr this year was 92.3. In 1992, Steve Young put up a then-preposterous 107.0 rating. Aikman was third at 89.5. This weird idea that Aikman was bad in his era is modern and silly interpretation. However, this season, that would be good for 22nd in the NFL. It's just impossible to compare the eras.
Now, if you wanted to drop some of those 90s guys into the modern offense, you might have a more interesting argument. I think Steve Young would've absolutely destroyed the modern NFL had he come up in the passing era. Aikman, who threw the most beautiful deep ball I've ever seen, would have killed it in a vertical offense. Randall Cunningham's and Kordell Stewart's careers might have looked much different had they come at a time when teams devised an offense around them instead of putting a square peg in a round hole.
All that to say that, in his own era, Eli was not only not a Top 5 QB, he wasn't a Top 10 QB, and by throwing out his superior stats to dudes who played in the era where QB's were judged by their ability to hand the ball off to Emmitt, Barry, or Thurman, it does a disservice to the game.
I'll never understand the "he shouldn't be a first ballot" argument. Either you are good enough or you are not. There's nothing on your plaque that ranks you or says what ballot you are. Once you're in you are equal to everyone else that's in. This pseudo ranking on how much of a hall of famer you are based on what year ballot you are is dumb.
It's kinda viewed as a punishment of sorts. No player is more of a case study than Terrell Owens, who was a dominant force for three different teams, 5x 1st team All Pro, nine 1,000+ yd seasons, led the league in receiving TDs three times, and played well into his late 30s but got left off the first ballot because he was a ******bag.Crazy Ag 97 said:
I'll never understand the "he shouldn't be a first ballot" argument. Either you are good enough or you are not. There's nothing on your plaque that ranks you or says what ballot you are. Once you're in you are equal to everyone else that's in. This pseudo ranking on how much of a hall of famer you are based on what year ballot you are is dumb.
It makes sense to me. Some players are kind of borderline and it takes a growing consensus over a few years. Others are obvious choices that no one in their right mind would vote against.Crazy Ag 97 said:
I'll never understand the "he shouldn't be a first ballot" argument. Either you are good enough or you are not. There's nothing on your plaque that ranks you or says what ballot you are. Once you're in you are equal to everyone else that's in. This pseudo ranking on how much of a hall of famer you are based on what year ballot you are is dumb.
Do you think players should only get one shot at the hall of fame?
They won't double up QB's in the same year most likely, so here's how the upcoming years shake out with eligible QB's:
2026: Brees, Rivers
2027: Big Ben
2028: Brady, Ryan
Eli was 117-117 as a starting QB.
57,000 yards... 366 TD's to 244 INT's
Ben was 165-81 as a starter with 64,00 yards 418 TDs' to 211 picks + the 2 Super Bowls.
He absolutely deserves to go in ahead of Eli imo...and if that ends up being the case, Eli would be up against Rivers & Matt Ryan to try and get it no sooner than 2029.
2026: Brees, Rivers
2027: Big Ben
2028: Brady, Ryan
Eli was 117-117 as a starting QB.
57,000 yards... 366 TD's to 244 INT's
Ben was 165-81 as a starter with 64,00 yards 418 TDs' to 211 picks + the 2 Super Bowls.
He absolutely deserves to go in ahead of Eli imo...and if that ends up being the case, Eli would be up against Rivers & Matt Ryan to try and get it no sooner than 2029.
double aught said:It makes sense to me. Some players are kind of borderline and it takes a growing consensus over a few years. Others are obvious choices that no one in their right mind would vote against.Crazy Ag 97 said:
I'll never understand the "he shouldn't be a first ballot" argument. Either you are good enough or you are not. There's nothing on your plaque that ranks you or says what ballot you are. Once you're in you are equal to everyone else that's in. This pseudo ranking on how much of a hall of famer you are based on what year ballot you are is dumb.
Do you think players should only get one shot at the hall of fame?
In reality, yes. Like I said, either you're good enough to in or you're not. Why do you need 7 votes? Not arguing for or against Eli, but my question to any voter that changes their vote from no to yes next year, what exactly will he have done in the last 12 months to suddenly make his playing career more worthy? Nothing. It's exactly the same resume.
the passing game has definitely changed from decades ago
in 1978 Terry Bradshaw was the NFL MVP with 20 interceptions -- that would never happen today
in 1978 Terry Bradshaw was the NFL MVP with 20 interceptions -- that would never happen today
the interesting thing about Aikman's career...specifically the playoffs
he doesn't have any famous comebacks or game-winning drives (that come to mind)
whereas so many of the greats...Staubach, Montana, Elway, Stabler, et al...have multiple memorable comebacks
that define their career and legacy
he doesn't have any famous comebacks or game-winning drives (that come to mind)
whereas so many of the greats...Staubach, Montana, Elway, Stabler, et al...have multiple memorable comebacks
that define their career and legacy
yeah DB play back then was totally different than today. That is why the came up with the Mel Blount rule.W said:
the passing game has definitely changed from decades ago
in 1978 Terry Bradshaw was the NFL MVP with 20 interceptions -- that would never happen today
I can't remember which of the sports site had it but their description was Eli Manning had HOF moments, but not a HOF career. Yes he was the QB of 2 teams that won the Super Bowl vs Tom Brady, but no opposing coaches were worried about Eli, they were worried about the Giants defense. Brees and Roethlisberger are both more deserving than Eli. It's more appropriate to compare him to Rivers and Matt Ryan and I'm not sure what I think of any of them in terms of HOF worthiness.Bunk Moreland said:
They won't double up QB's in the same year most likely, so here's how the upcoming years shake out with eligible QB's:
2026: Brees, Rivers
2027: Big Ben
2028: Brady, Ryan
Eli was 117-117 as a starting QB.
57,000 yards... 366 TD's to 244 INT's
Ben was 165-81 as a starter with 64,00 yards 418 TDs' to 211 picks + the 2 Super Bowls.
He absolutely deserves to go in ahead of Eli imo...and if that ends up being the case, Eli would be up against Rivers & Matt Ryan to try and get it no sooner than 2029.
Rivers - never made it to a Super Bowl
137-107 as starting QB
64.9% completion percentage
63,440 yards
421 TD's to 209 INT's
Ryan - played and lost one Super Bowl
124-109-1 as starting QB
65.6% completion percentage
62,792 yards
381 TD's to 183 INT's
Drew Brees
172-115 as starting QB
67.7% completion percentage
80, 358 yards
571 TD's to 243 INTs
In addition to winning a Super Bowl he holds the record for consecutive games with a TD pass (54).
He's second all time in career passing yards, career TD passes, career completions, and completion percentage.
Ben Roethlisberger - 2 Super Bowl wins
166-82-1 as starting QB
64.4% completion percentage
64,088 yards
418 TDs to 211 INTs
Rivers and Ryan don't seem like HOFers. Just guys who played a long time. If Ryan's Falcons hadn't choked that SB, I'd probably feel differently.
Rivers has 2 head-to-head playoff wins over Peyton in 2007 & 2008
those might tip the HoF scale in his favor
those might tip the HoF scale in his favor
Didn't Bradshaw win 4 SBs?Smeghead4761 said:The list of QBs who have won multiple Super Bowls and multiple SB MVPsToddyHill said:
I'm also a Giants fan.
My thoughts on Eli. What an enigma. There aren't enough fingers and toes on me to count the number of times I was so frustrated with him at QB. I'll leave it at that.
His Super Bowl performances against the GOAT are why he deserves to be in Canton. That said, while he deserves to be in the HOF, I don't believe he should be elected on his first year of eligibility.
Bart Starr (2 each)
Terry Bradshaw (2 each)
Joe Montana (4 SB, 3 SB MVP)
Tom Brady (7 SB, 5 SB MVP)
Patrick Mahomes (3 SB, 3 SB MVP)
Eli Manning (2 each)
The first 3 are in the HoF, Brady and Mahomes will go in on the first ballot when eligible.
Eli's HoF case rests almost entirely on his playoff performances - specifically, those two Super Bowl runs. I think some radio host was mentioning that in both the Super Bowl runs, the Giants won at least 3 games, on the road, as underdogs. His overall playoff record is 8-4, with all 8 wins coming in the two Super Bowl runs (Wild Card round through SB).
So it's not even really that he was especially awesome in the playoffs in general - his teams made the playoffs 6 times total, and were one and done 4 of those times. But they went all the way the other two times, and beat possibly the greatest coach-QB combo in NFL history both times.
Personally, I think ruining the Pats attempt at a perfect season is almost worthy in and of itself.
Rivers is also referred to as the AFC's Romo and vice versa, and I've never really thought of either as Hall of Fame caliber players. Dudes with lightning releases that put up fat stats but spent the majority of their careers propping up teams that weren't very good.
Where Rivers gets the nod was his ability to stay healthy, especially in the latter part of his career. Romo was exceedingly elusive, which was wild to see when he came into the league, but has become more mainstream as time has gone on. Numerous athletes and coaches said Romo was an NBA-caliber basketball player, and his famous shaking of JJ Watt and then tossing a bomb TD will be played on highlight reels forever. But that elusiveness and gunslinger mentality got him in trouble late in the same way it caught up to Steve Young.
Where Rivers gets the nod was his ability to stay healthy, especially in the latter part of his career. Romo was exceedingly elusive, which was wild to see when he came into the league, but has become more mainstream as time has gone on. Numerous athletes and coaches said Romo was an NBA-caliber basketball player, and his famous shaking of JJ Watt and then tossing a bomb TD will be played on highlight reels forever. But that elusiveness and gunslinger mentality got him in trouble late in the same way it caught up to Steve Young.
I haven't thought Eli as a HOF QB whenever the debate has arisen on texags.com.
However, since his retirement, I feel like the Giants are a poorly run, behind the times organization that does not draft well, nor develop talent compared to the other teams. For the last decade, they've really not been very good, so maybe Manning just keeping them relevant was amazing. I don't know.
For the regular season, he's 117-117 in his career. He's 8-4 in the playoffs, with 8 of those wins in his 2 Super Bowl runs. Really unusual.
However, since his retirement, I feel like the Giants are a poorly run, behind the times organization that does not draft well, nor develop talent compared to the other teams. For the last decade, they've really not been very good, so maybe Manning just keeping them relevant was amazing. I don't know.
For the regular season, he's 117-117 in his career. He's 8-4 in the playoffs, with 8 of those wins in his 2 Super Bowl runs. Really unusual.
So you're penalizing him for scoring points too early in games? The drive at the end of the '92-'93 NFC championship in San Fran was great. That whole postseason he was flawless. '93-'94 was the 2nd half comeback over the Bills in SB 28. '95-96 NFC championship was a 4th quarter comeback over the Packers.W said:
the interesting thing about Aikman's career...specifically the playoffs
he doesn't have any famous comebacks or game-winning drives (that come to mind)
whereas so many of the greats...Staubach, Montana, Elway, Stabler, et al...have multiple memorable comebacks
that define their career and legacy
BassCowboy33 said:
Rivers is also referred to as the AFC's Romo and vice versa, and I've never really thought of either as Hall of Fame caliber players. Dudes with lightning releases that put up fat stats but spent the majority of their careers propping up teams that weren't very good.
I believe the archetype for that is some guy named Marino. Not a lot of question as to his credentials for the Hall.
it's an indication of the great teams he played on...and the great talent that was around him
he didn't have to "elevate" his teammates and bail them out after a bad 1st half
perhaps similar to Bob Griese with the Dolphins back in the day
he didn't have to "elevate" his teammates and bail them out after a bad 1st half
perhaps similar to Bob Griese with the Dolphins back in the day
contrast that with "The Drive" in the 1986 AFC championship game by Elway
the Broncos had a bunch of no-name RB's and WR's
Elway carried them to the comeback win
the Broncos had a bunch of no-name RB's and WR's
Elway carried them to the comeback win
Smeghead4761 said:BassCowboy33 said:
Rivers is also referred to as the AFC's Romo and vice versa, and I've never really thought of either as Hall of Fame caliber players. Dudes with lightning releases that put up fat stats but spent the majority of their careers propping up teams that weren't very good.
I believe the archetype for that is some guy named Marino. Not a lot of question as to his credentials for the Hall.
But, again, we're comparing two completely different eras. Marino put up big numbers early in his career, but was a sub-60% passer, which is pretty much the Mendoza line for modern quarterbacks. He was a career 86.4 QBr, which Romo (97.1) and Rivers (95.2) demolish. Marino was the most prolific passer of his era, but he was of his era. Romo and Rivers were both, at times, Top 5 QBs of their era, but also struggled with playoff success. But Marino, especially in the 80s, was like nothing league had ever seen in throwing the ball around. Nowadays, we expect that from most QBs in the league.
W said:
it's an indication of the great teams he played on...and the great talent that was around him
he didn't have to "elevate" his teammates and bail them out after a bad 1st half
perhaps similar to Bob Griese with the Dolphins back in the day
Aikman was always a "do what was necessary" guy. He was the brains of that team and excellent at giving the team what it needed, whether it be 400 yds or just not doing anything stupid. In the playoffs especially, the Cowboys were rarely challenged during their dynasty, often putting games away in the first or second quarters.
I feel like Elway playing today with the modern rules would be the greatest QB of all time.W said:
contrast that with "The Drive" in the 1986 AFC championship game by Elway
the Broncos had a bunch of no-name RB's and WR's
Elway carried them to the comeback win
Yes, but he was the SB MVP in two of them (XIII and XIV).aTmAg said:Didn't Bradshaw win 4 SBs?Smeghead4761 said:The list of QBs who have won multiple Super Bowls and multiple SB MVPsToddyHill said:
I'm also a Giants fan.
My thoughts on Eli. What an enigma. There aren't enough fingers and toes on me to count the number of times I was so frustrated with him at QB. I'll leave it at that.
His Super Bowl performances against the GOAT are why he deserves to be in Canton. That said, while he deserves to be in the HOF, I don't believe he should be elected on his first year of eligibility.
Bart Starr (2 each)
Terry Bradshaw (2 each)
Joe Montana (4 SB, 3 SB MVP)
Tom Brady (7 SB, 5 SB MVP)
Patrick Mahomes (3 SB, 3 SB MVP)
Eli Manning (2 each)
The first 3 are in the HoF, Brady and Mahomes will go in on the first ballot when eligible.
Eli's HoF case rests almost entirely on his playoff performances - specifically, those two Super Bowl runs. I think some radio host was mentioning that in both the Super Bowl runs, the Giants won at least 3 games, on the road, as underdogs. His overall playoff record is 8-4, with all 8 wins coming in the two Super Bowl runs (Wild Card round through SB).
So it's not even really that he was especially awesome in the playoffs in general - his teams made the playoffs 6 times total, and were one and done 4 of those times. But they went all the way the other two times, and beat possibly the greatest coach-QB combo in NFL history both times.
Personally, I think ruining the Pats attempt at a perfect season is almost worthy in and of itself.
Yeah, so I would think he would have posted:Rex Racer said:Yes, but he was the SB MVP in two of them (XIII and XIV).aTmAg said:Didn't Bradshaw win 4 SBs?Smeghead4761 said:The list of QBs who have won multiple Super Bowls and multiple SB MVPsToddyHill said:
I'm also a Giants fan.
My thoughts on Eli. What an enigma. There aren't enough fingers and toes on me to count the number of times I was so frustrated with him at QB. I'll leave it at that.
His Super Bowl performances against the GOAT are why he deserves to be in Canton. That said, while he deserves to be in the HOF, I don't believe he should be elected on his first year of eligibility.
Bart Starr (2 each)
Terry Bradshaw (2 each)
Joe Montana (4 SB, 3 SB MVP)
Tom Brady (7 SB, 5 SB MVP)
Patrick Mahomes (3 SB, 3 SB MVP)
Eli Manning (2 each)
The first 3 are in the HoF, Brady and Mahomes will go in on the first ballot when eligible.
Eli's HoF case rests almost entirely on his playoff performances - specifically, those two Super Bowl runs. I think some radio host was mentioning that in both the Super Bowl runs, the Giants won at least 3 games, on the road, as underdogs. His overall playoff record is 8-4, with all 8 wins coming in the two Super Bowl runs (Wild Card round through SB).
So it's not even really that he was especially awesome in the playoffs in general - his teams made the playoffs 6 times total, and were one and done 4 of those times. But they went all the way the other two times, and beat possibly the greatest coach-QB combo in NFL history both times.
Personally, I think ruining the Pats attempt at a perfect season is almost worthy in and of itself.
Terry Bradshaw (4 SB, 2 SB MVP)
like the rest.
aTmAg said:Yeah, so I would think he would have posted:Rex Racer said:Yes, but he was the SB MVP in two of them (XIII and XIV).aTmAg said:Didn't Bradshaw win 4 SBs?Smeghead4761 said:The list of QBs who have won multiple Super Bowls and multiple SB MVPsToddyHill said:
I'm also a Giants fan.
My thoughts on Eli. What an enigma. There aren't enough fingers and toes on me to count the number of times I was so frustrated with him at QB. I'll leave it at that.
His Super Bowl performances against the GOAT are why he deserves to be in Canton. That said, while he deserves to be in the HOF, I don't believe he should be elected on his first year of eligibility.
Bart Starr (2 each)
Terry Bradshaw (2 each)
Joe Montana (4 SB, 3 SB MVP)
Tom Brady (7 SB, 5 SB MVP)
Patrick Mahomes (3 SB, 3 SB MVP)
Eli Manning (2 each)
The first 3 are in the HoF, Brady and Mahomes will go in on the first ballot when eligible.
Eli's HoF case rests almost entirely on his playoff performances - specifically, those two Super Bowl runs. I think some radio host was mentioning that in both the Super Bowl runs, the Giants won at least 3 games, on the road, as underdogs. His overall playoff record is 8-4, with all 8 wins coming in the two Super Bowl runs (Wild Card round through SB).
So it's not even really that he was especially awesome in the playoffs in general - his teams made the playoffs 6 times total, and were one and done 4 of those times. But they went all the way the other two times, and beat possibly the greatest coach-QB combo in NFL history both times.
Personally, I think ruining the Pats attempt at a perfect season is almost worthy in and of itself.
Terry Bradshaw (4 SB, 2 SB MVP)
like the rest.
You are correct.
I onced asked a New York Giants fan what New Yorkers thought of Eli....his quote was staggering:BassCowboy33 said:Trucker 96 said:
Eli will get in eventually, but he does have a weird career. A couple of high peaks in what matters most surrounded by a lot of meh. Feels right for him not to be a 1st ballot. Kickers always have an uphill battle
Was legit a bottom 5 QB in the NFL for a chunk of his career. He had some staggeringly bad seasons in his prime. It's kinda funny how many people forget that.
I remember being in college in NYC after he threw three pick sixes in a single game. Thought my NY buddies were going to run him out of town.
"When Eli does well we love him.....all the rest of the time we hate him"
The problem with the Eli Manning HOF debate was that at no point in his career was Manning ever considered an elite quarterback.
Erik Williams and Larry Allen were the two supreme HOF talents on the Cowboys offensive line. The rest of the OL was good...but no one would have ever heard of any of those guys if they were not blocking for Emmit Smith.98Ag99Grad said:
Erik Williams was heading to Canton until his car wreck. And Newton became a drug kingpin and that hurt him.
Kevin Gogan, Nate Newton, Tuinei...etc were all journeymen and nobodies before Emmitt started winning all those rushing titles. Mark Stepnoski was great....but before Emmitt Smith he was just an undersized lineman.
I once saw Mark Stepnoski in the airport a few years ago and he had lost all his playing weight.
Stepnoski was already an undersized center, but if you saw him today....you would have no clue that he was once a great NFL lineman. Stepnoski today is probably about 6 foot and weighs maybe 200-220 pounds.
The Cowboys offensive line is routinely used to tear down Emmitt Smith and Troy AIkmans career.
This is such crap.W said:
it's an indication of the great teams he played on...and the great talent that was around him
he didn't have to "elevate" his teammates and bail them out after a bad 1st half
perhaps similar to Bob Griese with the Dolphins back in the day
For the past 20 years if the Cowboys had a big game I'd say:
Man....if Romo/Dak has a big game today the Cowboys will have a real shot"....
and honestly...its been about 50/50 from both of them.
As a Cowboy fan I never had to worry about if Troy Aikman was going to come to play in the playoffs.
Troy always came to play...and unlike Tony Romo or most of todays quarterbacks he wasn't padding his stats with cheap passing touchdowns from the one yard line, and a bunch of staggerring run n shoot passing numbers.
The 1990's Cowboys had a power rushing offense.
If Troy AIkman was asked to be in an offense that was designed for him to pass the ball he would have also had a zillion passing yards like Brett Favre, or Warren Moon.
His performance in the playoffs from 1992-1996 is why he's in the HOF. Its not two fluke years where the defense won the Super Bowl like Eli.
Aikman was great in every playoff game.
The Cowboys dominance is used to tear down Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith....even though these guys got drafted to a team that went 3-13 and 1-15 the two year prior to them being drafted.
Kellso said:Erik Williams and Larry Allen were the two supreme HOF talents on the Cowboys offensive line. The rest of the OL was good...but no one would have ever heard of any of those guys if they were not blocking for Emmit Smith.98Ag99Grad said:
Erik Williams was heading to Canton until his car wreck. And Newton became a drug kingpin and that hurt him.
Kevin Gogan, Nate Newton, Tuinei...etc were all journeymen and nobodies before Emmitt started winning all those rushing titles. Mark Stepnoski was great....but before Emmitt Smith he was just an undersized lineman.
I once saw Mark Stepnoski in the airport a few years ago and he had lost all his playing weight.
Stepnoski was already an undersized center, but if you saw him today....you would have no clue that he was once a great NFL lineman. Stepnoski today is probably about 6 foot and weighs maybe 200-220 pounds.
The Cowboys offensive line is routinely used to tear down Emmitt Smith and Troy AIkmans career.
Yep. I always say if the Cowboys O-line was so great, put more of them in the HoF. You can't have it both ways.
Rex Racer said:Kellso said:Erik Williams and Larry Allen were the two supreme HOF talents on the Cowboys offensive line. The rest of the OL was good...but no one would have ever heard of any of those guys if they were not blocking for Emmit Smith.98Ag99Grad said:
Erik Williams was heading to Canton until his car wreck. And Newton became a drug kingpin and that hurt him.
Kevin Gogan, Nate Newton, Tuinei...etc were all journeymen and nobodies before Emmitt started winning all those rushing titles. Mark Stepnoski was great....but before Emmitt Smith he was just an undersized lineman.
I once saw Mark Stepnoski in the airport a few years ago and he had lost all his playing weight.
Stepnoski was already an undersized center, but if you saw him today....you would have no clue that he was once a great NFL lineman. Stepnoski today is probably about 6 foot and weighs maybe 200-220 pounds.
The Cowboys offensive line is routinely used to tear down Emmitt Smith and Troy AIkmans career.
Yep. I always say if the Cowboys O-line was so great, put more of them in the HoF. You can't have it both ways.
Pretty sure that until relatively recently, Smith held both the UF and Florida High School touchdown records. Dude was a scoring machine at every level, regardless of line.
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Mark Stepnoski was great....but before Emmitt Smith he was just an undersized lineman.
He was drafted 1 year before Emmittt. Not like he had a long career then suddenly good. Stepnoski was a great lineman.
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