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victory
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10:04a, 12/4/24
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Thoughts on this move?

Team A vs Team B
Team A doesn't have a QB this week as his only rostered QB is on a Bye. Team A does not submit a WW claim for a QB. Tuesday morning Team B sees Team A doesn't have a QB yet for their matchup. There are only 9 TQB's on the WW. Team B spends $18 and picks up and immediately drops all remaining QB's making them not eligible for pickup until next weeks WW. Ultimately Team A will have to play this week, with winner advancing to the playoffs in a fairly big money league, with no quarterback.

chitty move on Team B?
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texagbeliever
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In reply to victory • 11:16a, 12/4/24
I think it is bad league settings. A free agent picked up and dropped without a game being played or game week should be eligible to be added with no wavier wire
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11:25a, 12/4/24
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Bad bull, the commish should override and make those QBs available. It's one thing to stash a player so someone else can't have them but this is abusing the system.

Also, yes, bad league settings. In my Yahoo league all dropped players go on waiver for three days, so somebody could have them by Saturday. Not sure if players added and dropped before the game go on waivers or straight to free agency, but it would be the three-day waiver wire at worst, not next week!
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11:27a, 12/4/24
You gotta play the game!!! Genius move by Team B
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11:37a, 12/4/24
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That's fair game.

Team A needs to stay on top of their shlt.
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Goldie Wilson
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2:15p, 12/4/24
Fair play by Team B. Team A took a risk by only rostering one QB and not burning his WW. Tough ****
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The Porkchop Express
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2:42p, 12/4/24
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definitely bad settings by the commish, but a smart move by a guy trying to make the playoffs.
And what dummy only has one QB?

Whole situation sparks a random memory I had long forgotten of this super intense guy joining a league I was in one year and doing this exact thing with EVERY SKILL PLAYER IMAGINABLE on the waiver wire on Saturday night before the first Sunday of the season. He just add/dropped guys constantly for what must have been 2-3 hours to the point where there were no QBs / RBs / WRs/ TEs available when everyone else woke up Sunday morning. I'm pretty sure he got told to tone it down a little, but there's nothing like seeing the transaction counter with most people having 0 or 1, and some guy having 87.
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4:32p, 12/4/24
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YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.
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mavsfan4ever
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8:28a, 12/5/24
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For those of you saying fair game, that means any team could do this with every single player every single week so that no one could pick up any players except for the waiver wire. Just like what pork chop posted above. Thats not fair game. That's ridiculous. You can't say it's fair game in this situation but not fair game in other situations.

Agree it's bad settings but I would override at least some of the waiver wire qb pickups and drops.
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In reply to mavsfan4ever • 8:33a, 12/5/24
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That's why it's important to get your waiver claims in on time and put in solid FAAB bids.

And to your same thinking how can you override some of the waiver wire pickups/drops. If you start messing with stuff you either override them all or none.
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In reply to victory • 9:02a, 12/5/24
Can you tell me who the players are on team B. Want to make sure his curse doesn't bring me down too.
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9:03a, 12/5/24
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We have a maximum acquisition limit (can buy more if needed). that would prevent someone from doing it every week on all the skill players
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In reply to victory • 9:22a, 12/5/24
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Sounds like you have a moran commissioner.

Seriously, how does a league get this deep into a season without this scenario being addressed/resolved?
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Goldie Wilson
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9:32a, 12/5/24
Wondering if OP is Team A, Team B, or commish.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 9:51a, 12/5/24
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Ag_07 said:
That's why it's important to get your waiver claims in on time and put in solid FAAB bids.

And to your same thinking how can you override some of the waiver wire pickups/drops. If you start messing with stuff you either override them all or none.


So in your mind if a player picked up and dropped every single FA every week right after the waivers ran so that no single team could ever pick up any player unless they did it with waivers, that would be okay? That's insane. Part of the strategy is deciding whether you use a waiver or wait to just pick up a player for free. It's not in the spirit of the rules to prevent people from picking up any players at all after waivers. People aren't even considering that that's a possibility when they decide not to use a waiver.

I'd be fine with overriding all of them.
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The Porkchop Express
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9:58a, 12/5/24
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We need to turn this into the Fantasy Football or Fantasy Sports horror / hilarious / amazing story thread.

As an old man I can tell you that if you auto drafted in the early days of ESPN, the system didn't know how to regulate positions. So once you got your starting lineup filled, it would just pick the best players available on its ranking. Therefore, one year, one of my friends picked his starters, then went offline.

The next day he got online to realize it had autodrafted the top 4 kickers in a row onto his bench.
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10:55a, 12/5/24
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Like others have said, if the rules allow it, it's fair game. But this should definitely be resolved by your commish before next season.
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In reply to Goldie Wilson • 11:21a, 12/5/24
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Goldie Wilson said:
Wondering if OP is Team A, Team B, or commish.
Oh, I'm Team B

This all could have been avoided by Team A had he just put in his WW claim OR picked up another QB before week 14. He did not submit a WW claim and left himself open to this possibility. To those saying what if everyone picked up and dropped every player.....well that's not possible if you put in a WW claim to fill your team needs. Also its $1 to add and $1 to drop so if you try to do that with position players that are not picked up on the WW, its going to get costly.
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In reply to victory • 11:27a, 12/5/24
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victory said:
Goldie Wilson said:
Wondering if OP is Team A, Team B, or commish.
Oh, I'm Team B

This all could have been avoided by Team A had he just put in his WW claim OR picked up another QB before week 14. He did not submit a WW claim and left himself open to this possibility. To those saying what if everyone picked up and dropped every player.....well that's not possible if you put in a WW claim to fill your team needs. Also its $1 to add and $1 to drop so if you try to do that with position players, its going to get costly.
Never, ever, ever underestimate the lengths people will go to in order to succeed at fantasy sports.

There have been many, many weeks where I have given zero f*cks about my hometown Texans getting their asses beat because one or more of my FFL players are doing the damage.

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In reply to victory • 12:34p, 12/5/24
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victory said:
Goldie Wilson said:
Wondering if OP is Team A, Team B, or commish.
Oh, I'm Team B

This all could have been avoided by Team A had he just put in his WW claim OR picked up another QB before week 14. He did not submit a WW claim and left himself open to this possibility. To those saying what if everyone picked up and dropped every player.....well that's not possible if you put in a WW claim to fill your team needs. Also its $1 to add and $1 to drop so if you try to do that with position players that are not picked up on the WW, its going to get costly.

Obviously what you did is not possible if Team A put in a WW claim. But there are many reasons to not want put in a WW claim (you want to move up in waivers, etc). And if you choose to not put in a WW claim you should not be prevented from picking up any players because someone picked up and dropped every single player that is available. The $1 to add/drop means nothing in a big money league. If that's how the teams were going to handle this rule in this league, I'd definitely be out of the league the next year, especially if it's a big money league (I'd be out even if the rule changed). Allowing this would effectively do away with any ability for any team to pick up a player other than off of waivers. If that's the case, just do away with free agents all together and make it to where you can only use waivers to pick up players. That would be much better.

I play in a relatively big money league. We have rules that don't allow what Team B did (and I agree the lack of rules is the main problem in this case), but no one would resort to doing what Team B did even if we didn't have the rule where a player becomes available again. Mainly because we all love the league and are friends and would not want to risk doing something to game the system and then getting kicked out.
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In reply to mavsfan4ever • 1:28p, 12/5/24
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victory said:
Goldie Wilson said:
Wondering if OP is Team A, Team B, or commish.
Oh, I'm Team B

This all could have been avoided by Team A had he just put in his WW claim OR picked up another QB before week 14. He did not submit a WW claim and left himself open to this possibility. To those saying what if everyone picked up and dropped every player.....well that's not possible if you put in a WW claim to fill your team needs. Also its $1 to add and $1 to drop so if you try to do that with position players that are not picked up on the WW, its going to get costly.

Obviously what you did is not possible if Team A put in a WW claim. But there are many reasons to not want put in a WW claim (you want to move up in waivers, etc). And if you choose to not put in a WW claim you should not be prevented from picking up any players because someone picked up and dropped every single player that is available. The $1 to add/drop means nothing in a big money league. If that's how the teams were going to handle this rule in this league, I'd definitely be out of the league the next year, especially if it's a big money league (I'd be out even if the rule changed). Allowing this would effectively do away with any ability for any team to pick up a player other than off of waivers. If that's the case, just do away with free agents all together and make it to where you can only use waivers to pick up players. That would be much better.

I play in a relatively big money league. We have rules that don't allow what Team B did (and I agree the lack of rules is the main problem in this case), but no one would resort to doing what Team B did even if we didn't have the rule where a player becomes available again. Mainly because we all love the league and are friends and would not want to risk doing something to game the system and then getting kicked out.
Team A ran the risk of not picking up a QB during WW (which, as you said, there can be strategic reasons for doing so). If you choose not put in a WW claim, then this is the risk you run. You don't get to have it both ways.
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In reply to Goldie Wilson • 1:35p, 12/5/24
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The risk is that you don't get the player you wanted bc someone else picks them up during waivers or before you pick them up after waivers. The risk is not that someone picks up and immediately drops every player for the sole reason of preventing anyone from picking up those players.
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In reply to mavsfan4ever • 1:37p, 12/5/24
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mavsfan4ever said:
victory said:
Goldie Wilson said:
Wondering if OP is Team A, Team B, or commish.
Oh, I'm Team B

This all could have been avoided by Team A had he just put in his WW claim OR picked up another QB before week 14. He did not submit a WW claim and left himself open to this possibility. To those saying what if everyone picked up and dropped every player.....well that's not possible if you put in a WW claim to fill your team needs. Also its $1 to add and $1 to drop so if you try to do that with position players that are not picked up on the WW, its going to get costly.

Obviously what you did is not possible if Team A put in a WW claim. But there are many reasons to not want put in a WW claim (you want to move up in waivers, etc). And if you choose to not put in a WW claim you should not be prevented from picking up any players because someone picked up and dropped every single player that is available. The $1 to add/drop means nothing in a big money league. If that's how the teams were going to handle this rule in this league, I'd definitely be out of the league the next year, especially if it's a big money league (I'd be out even if the rule changed). Allowing this would effectively do away with any ability for any team to pick up a player other than off of waivers. If that's the case, just do away with free agents all together and make it to where you can only use waivers to pick up players. That would be much better.

I play in a relatively big money league. We have rules that don't allow what Team B did (and I agree the lack of rules is the main problem in this case), but no one would resort to doing what Team B did even if we didn't have the rule where a player becomes available again. Mainly because we all love the league and are friends and would not want to risk doing something to game the system and then getting kicked out.


Not that the reasoning matters but Team A has since admitted that it was not strategic and he forgot to put in a WW claim leaving himself open to being "sabotaged". The same conversation on this thread is the same occurring in our group text. This is 12 team $500 buy in and another almost $1500 in transaction fees to date and yes we are all friends and it's a pretty cutthroat league, so I have zero guilt about pulling this move.
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In reply to victory • 2:01p, 12/5/24
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What's the tone of the opinions on the group thread of what you did?
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In reply to victory • 2:32p, 12/5/24
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victory said:
Goldie Wilson said:
Wondering if OP is Team A, Team B, or commish.
Oh, I'm Team B
Hell yeah
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6:07p, 12/5/24
I'm okay with it since the rules allow it, but our league puts players kept more than a day on waivers for 3 days and players who are picked up and dropped in the same day, don't go on waivers. They are available to picked up again.

Yalls rules suck.
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6:09p, 12/5/24
So if team A gets eliminated are they allowed to drop all their players if the league settings allow it?
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6:26p, 12/5/24
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I think it's a ****ty move, but I think FF is supposed to be fun, not cutthroat, so I definitely think you don't need to be a jackass to a friend/family.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 7:22a, 12/6/24
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The Porkchop Express said:
What's the tone of the opinions on the group thread of what you did?
Team A is bothered, but understands he left himself open to this possibility. One other in the league doesn't agree with it. The other 9 in the league are like....its your own damn fault.
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In reply to texagbeliever • 7:22a, 12/6/24
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texagbeliever said:
So if team A gets eliminated are they allowed to drop all their players if the league settings allow it?
once you are eliminated, your roster is locked.
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In reply to MooreTrucker • 8:44a, 12/6/24
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MooreTrucker said:
I think it's a ****ty move, but I think FF is supposed to be fun, not cutthroat, so I definitely think you don't need to be a jackass to a friend/family.

If you think FF is fun, I think you're doing it wrong..
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In reply to boy09 • 8:50a, 12/6/24
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boy09 said:
MooreTrucker said:
I think it's a ****ty move, but I think FF is supposed to be fun, not cutthroat, so I definitely think you don't need to be a jackass to a friend/family.

If you think FF is fun, I think you're doing it wrong..
Oh, so you're one of those......
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In reply to MooreTrucker • 10:21a, 12/6/24
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MooreTrucker said:
boy09 said:
MooreTrucker said:
I think it's a ****ty move, but I think FF is supposed to be fun, not cutthroat, so I definitely think you don't need to be a jackass to a friend/family.

If you think FF is fun, I think you're doing it wrong..
Oh, so you're one of those......
winning is FUN! Especially when money is involved.
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In reply to victory • 12:02p, 12/6/24
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victory said:
MooreTrucker said:
boy09 said:
MooreTrucker said:
I think it's a ****ty move, but I think FF is supposed to be fun, not cutthroat, so I definitely think you don't need to be a jackass to a friend/family.

If you think FF is fun, I think you're doing it wrong..
Oh, so you're one of those......
winning is FUN! Especially when money is involved.
Username checks out
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4:27p, 12/6/24
depends on the league. big money league with strangers and this is brilliant IMO. free league with coworkers and its not something i'd ever consider doing.

commish needs to get his **** together before next season, really bad rule.
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