Jerry Jones Legacy

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1:46p, 1/23/23
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Since Jerry took over the team, it's been a 27 year drought since a championship game appearance. That is Jerry Jones Legacy. Luckily, there is a worse NFL owner out there and his name is Dan Snyder.

Detroit, well Detroit hasn't really been relevant since Bobby Layne was QB and Chevy made one of the best cars in the world.





NFC Championship Game Appearances

Team
Philadelphia Eagles - 2022, 2017, 2008, 2007, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001
San Francisco 49ers - 2022, 2021, 2019, 2013, 2012, 2011, 1997
Los Angeles Rams - 2021, 2018, 2001, 1999
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 2020, 2002, 1999
Green Bay Packers - 2020, 2019, 2016, 2014, 2010, 2007, 1997, 1996, 1995
New Orleans Saints - 2018, 2009, 2006
Minnesota Vikings - 2017, 2009, 2000, 1998
Atlanta Falcons - 2016, 2012, 2004, 1998
Arizona Cardinals - 2015, 2008
Carolina Panthers - 2015, 2005, 1996
Seattle Seahawks - 2014, 2013, 2005
New York Giants - 2011, 2007, 2000
Chicago Bears - 2010, 2006
Dallas Cowboys - 1995
Detroit Lions - 1991
Washington Commanders - 1991
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1:51p, 1/23/23
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Snyder is gone this year most likely. Amazon king looks to purchase them
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2:24p, 1/23/23
The owners of the Eagles and the Giants have to look at this division and thank the Lord they are in it. Two of the worst owners in pro sports own your biggest competitors in the division.
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In reply to 2ndGen87 • 3:27p, 1/23/23
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2ndGen87 said:
Since Jerry took over the team, it's been a 27 year drought since a championship game appearance. That is Jerry Jones Legacy. Luckily, there is a worse NFL owner out there and his name is Dan Snyder.

Detroit, well Detroit hasn't really been relevant since Bobby Layne was QB and Chevy made one of the best cars in the world.





NFC Championship Game Appearances

Team
Philadelphia Eagles - 2022, 2017, 2008, 2007, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001
San Francisco 49ers - 2022, 2021, 2019, 2013, 2012, 2011, 1997
Los Angeles Rams - 2021, 2018, 2001, 1999
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 2020, 2002, 1999
Green Bay Packers - 2020, 2019, 2016, 2014, 2010, 2007, 1997, 1996, 1995
New Orleans Saints - 2018, 2009, 2006
Minnesota Vikings - 2017, 2009, 2000, 1998
Atlanta Falcons - 2016, 2012, 2004, 1998
Arizona Cardinals - 2015, 2008
Carolina Panthers - 2015, 2005, 2003 1996
Seattle Seahawks - 2014, 2013, 2005
New York Giants - 2011, 2007, 2000
Chicago Bears - 2010, 2006
Dallas Cowboys - 1995
Detroit Lions - 1991
Washington Commanders - 1991
You forgot to include 2003 for the Carolina Panthers. The Panthers defeated the Philadelphia Eagles 14-3 on 1/18/04 in the 2003 NFC Championship Game.
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In reply to 2ndGen87 • 3:50p, 1/23/23
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2ndGen87 said:
Since Jerry took over the team, it's been a 27 year drought since a championship game appearance. That is Jerry Jones Legacy. Luckily, there is a worse NFL owner out there and his name is Dan Snyder.

Detroit, well Detroit hasn't really been relevant since Bobby Layne was QB and Chevy made one of the best cars in the world.





NFC Championship Game Appearances

Team
Philadelphia Eagles - 2022, 2017, 2008, 2007, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001
San Francisco 49ers - 2022, 2021, 2019, 2013, 2012, 2011, 1997
Los Angeles Rams - 2021, 2018, 2001, 1999
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 2020, 2002, 1999
Green Bay Packers - 2020, 2019, 2016, 2014, 2010, 2007, 1997, 1996, 1995
New Orleans Saints - 2018, 2009, 2006
Minnesota Vikings - 2017, 2009, 2000, 1998
Atlanta Falcons - 2016, 2012, 2004, 1998
Arizona Cardinals - 2015, 2008
Carolina Panthers - 2015, 2005, 1996
Seattle Seahawks - 2014, 2013, 2005
New York Giants - 2011, 2007, 2000
Chicago Bears - 2010, 2006
Dallas Cowboys - 1995
Detroit Lions - 1991
Washington Commanders - 1991


A lot of the old NFL owners sit at the bottom of that list, and also Dan Snyder & Jerry Jones, the owners of two of the most profitable franchises.

Oldest owners (excluding Packers):

Bears, Giants, Cardinals, Lions all were acquired before 1965.
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In reply to 2ndGen87 • 3:56p, 1/23/23
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2ndGen87 said:
Since Jerry took over the team, it's been a 27 year drought since a championship game appearance. That is Jerry Jones Legacy. Luckily, there is a worse NFL owner out there and his name is Dan Snyder.

Detroit, well Detroit hasn't really been relevant since Bobby Layne was QB and Chevy made one of the best cars in the world.





NFC Championship Game Appearances

Team
Philadelphia Eagles - 2022, 2017, 2008, 2007, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001
San Francisco 49ers - 2022, 2021, 2019, 2013, 2012, 2011, 1997
Los Angeles Rams - 2021, 2018, 2001, 1999
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 2020, 2002, 1999
Green Bay Packers - 2020, 2019, 2016, 2014, 2010, 2007, 1997, 1996, 1995
New Orleans Saints - 2018, 2009, 2006
Minnesota Vikings - 2017, 2009, 2000, 1998
Atlanta Falcons - 2016, 2012, 2004, 1998
Arizona Cardinals - 2015, 2008
Carolina Panthers - 2015, 2005, 1996
Seattle Seahawks - 2014, 2013, 2005
New York Giants - 2011, 2007, 2000
Chicago Bears - 2010, 2006
Dallas Cowboys - 1995
Detroit Lions - 1991
Washington Commanders - 1991
Why did you not include the Cowboys appearances in 1992, 1993, and 1994? You included 1991 for the Lions and the Redskins.

Also noticed you left off the 1992, 1993, and 1994 for San Francisco.
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In reply to Rex Racer • 4:19p, 1/23/23
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Rex Racer said:
2ndGen87 said:
Since Jerry took over the team, it's been a 27 year drought since a championship game appearance. That is Jerry Jones Legacy. Luckily, there is a worse NFL owner out there and his name is Dan Snyder.

Detroit, well Detroit hasn't really been relevant since Bobby Layne was QB and Chevy made one of the best cars in the world.





NFC Championship Game Appearances

Team
Philadelphia Eagles - 2022, 2017, 2008, 2007, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001
San Francisco 49ers - 2022, 2021, 2019, 2013, 2012, 2011, 1997
Los Angeles Rams - 2021, 2018, 2001, 1999
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 2020, 2002, 1999
Green Bay Packers - 2020, 2019, 2016, 2014, 2010, 2007, 1997, 1996, 1995
New Orleans Saints - 2018, 2009, 2006
Minnesota Vikings - 2017, 2009, 2000, 1998
Atlanta Falcons - 2016, 2012, 2004, 1998
Arizona Cardinals - 2015, 2008
Carolina Panthers - 2015, 2005, 1996
Seattle Seahawks - 2014, 2013, 2005
New York Giants - 2011, 2007, 2000
Chicago Bears - 2010, 2006
Dallas Cowboys - 1995
Detroit Lions - 1991
Washington Commanders - 1991
Why did you not include the Cowboys appearances in 1992, 1993, and 1994? You included 1991 for the Lions and the Redskins.

Also noticed you left off the 1992, 1993, and 1994 for San Francisco.
I listed everything from 1996 on as it was a thread on Jerry Jones legacy as Cowboys GM.

I should have put a line between the Bears and the Cowboys, as the bottom 3 were just the last year they made it.

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In reply to 2ndGen87 • 4:35p, 1/23/23
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Well, 1992, 1993, and 1994 count as part of Jerry's legacy.

I'm not defending the guy as GM, but let's be honest here.

Jerry hasn't done anything since Jimmy Johnson's guys left, retired, etc. That's a huge fact that you can't get around. But he did have success in the beginning.
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4:40p, 1/23/23
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Name another GM that an owner wouldn't have fired after 28 years of futility. If the goal is the SB then not reaching the conference championship for 28 years is futility.

His legacy is that he is both the worst owner and worst executive in team history. I realize there haven't been many but he's the worst at both.
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In reply to jja79 • 4:41p, 1/23/23
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jja79 said:
Name another GM that an owner wouldn't have fired after 28 years of futility. If the goal is the SB then not reaching the conference championship for 28 years is futility.

His legacy is that he is both the worst owner and worst executive in team history. I realize there haven't been many but he's the worst at both.
Again, I'm not defending the man. I wish he would hire a real GM like 25 years ago.
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4:57p, 1/23/23
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that list does not particularly speak well of the Giants either --- just 3 appearances in the last 30 years

but they at least maximized their 2007 & 2011 appearances
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In reply to Rex Racer • 5:05p, 1/23/23
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Well, 1992, 1993, and 1994 count as part of Jerry's legacy.

I'm not defending the guy as GM, but let's be honest here.

Jerry hasn't done anything since Jimmy Johnson's guys left, retired, etc. That's a huge fact that you can't get around. But he did have success in the beginning.
This success was do to THE TRADE, which was Jimmy's doing.

And Jimmy was the defacto GM.

You could credit Jerrah hiring Jimmy, but that's as far as I would go.
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In reply to jja79 • 5:06p, 1/23/23
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jja79 said:
Name another GM that an owner wouldn't have fired after 28 years of futility. If the goal is the SB then not reaching the conference championship for 28 years is futility.

His legacy is that he is both the worst owner and worst executive in team history. I realize there haven't been many but he's the worst at both.
Still think Dan Snyder is worse. Universally despised and does a horrific job with a team that used to compete.
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In reply to 2ndGen87 • 5:27p, 1/23/23
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2ndGen87 said:
Rex Racer said:
Well, 1992, 1993, and 1994 count as part of Jerry's legacy.

I'm not defending the guy as GM, but let's be honest here.

Jerry hasn't done anything since Jimmy Johnson's guys left, retired, etc. That's a huge fact that you can't get around. But he did have success in the beginning.
This success was do to THE TRADE, which was Jimmy's doing.

And Jimmy was the defacto GM.

You could credit Jerrah hiring Jimmy, but that's as far as I would go.

And I would 100% agree with you.
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In reply to 2ndGen87 • 5:44p, 1/23/23
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jja79 said:
Name another GM that an owner wouldn't have fired after 28 years of futility. If the goal is the SB then not reaching the conference championship for 28 years is futility.

His legacy is that he is both the worst owner and worst executive in team history. I realize there haven't been many but he's the worst at both.
Still think Dan Snyder is worse. Universally despised and does a horrific job with a team that used to compete.


Good lord of course Snyder is worse and so are a lot of NFL owners in the league now and many who have died, sold teams etc since Jones came in the league 30+ years ago. First, prior comments regarding past 27 years are accurate it's Jones responsibility from GM perspective that the team has not won anything significant. He should have dropped the GM title years ago. I don't think he's been a GM in the traditional sense in many years. But since he's kept the official title he owns their record for better or worse.

But you guys do know JJ is in the NFL HOF correct? There are a lot of factors in judging an owner. NFL is entertainment and $$$ and Jones has been the best for years at helping league make more money.

Wanna see bad ownership? How about the McNair family?
Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. Vince Lombardi
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In reply to SilverTongueDevil • 5:58a, 1/24/23
No one doubts Jerry is HOF money making owner. Probably the GOAT.

But he's horrific owner in terms of winning over last 25+ years.

Thats his legacy.
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7:55a, 1/24/23
Jerry has appointed himself as GM for life based on the Herschel Walker trade. Any other team would have gone through several GMs during a futility stretch of that length.

Yes, he has made a lot of money. So have Snyder & the McNairs. You could call that the bottom line and they can be considered to be very successful. But I measure success in terms of championships & playoff appearances.



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In reply to ac • 8:27a, 1/24/23
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Jerry has appointed himself as GM for life based on the Herschel Walker trade. Any other team would have gone through several GMs during a futility stretch of that length.

Yes, he has made a lot of money. So have Snyder & the McNairs. You could call that the bottom line and they can be considered to be very successful. But I measure success in terms of championships & playoff appearances.





Agree with you in terms of how to judge real success. My point from earlier was people who are calling Jones one of the worst owners in the league. Even in past 27 years of mediocrity Cowboys are still better than more than half the league (12 playoff appearances and 7 division titles).
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8:38a, 1/24/23
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God still hasn't forgiven Jerry for firing Landry
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In reply to MookieBlaylock • 8:58a, 1/24/23
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I got Tom Landry's autograph in November 1984. We used to make a game every season from Beaumont. That's a 300 mile drive.

When I was growing up, the Cowboys were heroes in my mind. I mean Staubach had been a fighter pilot; a real hero. They were "all that was right in America" to me. FTR, I started seeing through that a little when they had so many players with cocaine issues in the early 80s.

Tom Landry and smiling kids.


I couldn't stand Jerry Jones when be bought the team, and I still can't. He pulled off the Walker trade and hired J.J. from Thug U. I didn't care because I thought he was a low-life. I've not watched a game since he bought the team. Seems like they won every Super Bowl when I was in college 1990-94, but I didn't watch them.

I have connections to Louisiana, and spent lots of time in Mandeville, LA every summer growing up (cousins lived there and had Saints season tickets). I adopted the Saints in 1989 and have never looked back.

Who Dat?!?


EDIT - This picture was taken in the Texas Stadium parking lot before the 11/4/1984 game against the NYG, BTW. We were staying across the street, so we walked over EARLY.
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In reply to dabo man • 10:52a, 1/24/23
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I was a Cowboys fan before Jerry bought the team, and I'll be a Cowboys fan long after he is gone from this Earth, if I am blessed to live that long.
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4:20p, 1/24/23
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As an owner, I think he will have a pretty good legacy. Has stood up for his club, fought back - rightly or wrongly- against NFL management, has worked his own sponsorship deals over the years.

As a GM, a complete and utter failure.
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4:33p, 1/24/23
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Hall of Famer with 3 rings... 99% of all players/coaches/GMs/owners that were ever in the NFL would take that in a heart beat.

Yes, he also should have "fired" himself as GM a long time ago, but that doesn't change his legacy.
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7:16p, 1/24/23
excluding the dynasty that was built under his ownership makes zero sense.
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excluding the dynasty that was built under his ownership makes zero sense.

I think most people discredit that because, right or wrong, they give Jimmy Johnson all the credit for that. He was his own GM, right. I mean Jerry deserves credit for hiring Jimmy and letting him do his thing. But they've been a disaster since he took over as GM.
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6:43a, 1/25/23
yes i understand and that is textbook selection bias. his legacy includes three super bowls whether his detractors like it or not.

does robert kraft not get credit for the patriots super bowls because belichick is the de facto GM?
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6:44a, 1/25/23
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I was a Cowboys fan through thick and thin since I was a kid, even after the Landry firing. After Johnson was fired, I held on for a few years, but when eminent domain was used on hundreds of homeowners to make way for the new stadium, they lost me. Maybe I'll come back when the Jones family is gone.
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In reply to ac04 • 10:12a, 1/25/23
the 3 super bowls is clearly part of his legacy.

if Patriots don't make it back to the AFC championship game until 2045 (when Kraft is 104 years old) do you think people won't hold that against him when looking at his legacy?

Won super bowls early on when jimmy was key to picking players, one of the greatest innovators among owners ever, a disaster in winning the last 27 years.

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In reply to Know Your Enemy • 10:45a, 1/25/23
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Know Your Enemy said:
ac04 said:
excluding the dynasty that was built under his ownership makes zero sense.

I think most people discredit that because, right or wrong, they give Jimmy Johnson all the credit for that. He was his own GM, right. I mean Jerry deserves credit for hiring Jimmy and letting him do his thing. But they've been a disaster since he took over as GM.

Yup. Not many owners would have had the stones to fire Tom Landry immediately after buying the team. And for those that are too young to know... he took an unbelievable amount of **** for it. Everybody (even people who didn't watch football) knew and loved Tom Landry and HATED the man that fired him!

He made one of the boldest moves an owner has ever made and it birthed one of the greatest NFL dynasties of all time. He 100% gets credit for that!
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11:16a, 1/25/23
There are 16 NFC teams. 2 teams make the NFC championship game every year. If all things were equal you would have a 1/8 chance of making the NFC title game in any given year. Therefore in a 30-year stretch, you should expect to make ~4 NFC championship game appearances. Obviously, things are unequal, and some will make it more than others. However, it is frankly improbable that the Cowboys haven't made the NFC title game even once in this period.

What is a bit odd is that the Cowboys have made the Divisional round 6 times in this 30-year stretch. You would expect the average team to make the Divisional round ~8 times if everything is equal. So the Cowboys are actually not that far off in Divisional round appearances. Yet they have managed to go 0-6 in those games, which is once again improbable.

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11:22a, 1/25/23
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I use to be a die hard Cowboy's fan. Once JJ hired Switzer, I knew he was a clown, and this organization would be a joke. I still keep up with things, and watch games when I can, but thankfully I'm indifferent if they win or lose. It's made Sunday's much more enjoyable. I'll probably be that way as long as JJ is there.
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11:52a, 1/25/23
What Jones doesn't seem to understand is that head coaches and QB's get most of the credit (fair or not) for championships not the owner or even the GM.
Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. Vince Lombardi
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 12:24p, 1/25/23
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the 3 super bowls is clearly part of his legacy.

if Patriots don't make it back to the AFC championship game until 2045 (when Kraft is 104 years old) do you think people won't hold that against him when looking at his legacy?

Won super bowls early on when jimmy was key to picking players, one of the greatest innovators among owners ever, a disaster in winning the last 27 years.



i'm not advocating for jerry jones or interested in hypotheticals about kraft, i'm simply pointing out that evaluating his legacy as an owner starting in 1996 instead of 1989 is ridiculous.
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ac04 said:
yes i understand and that is textbook selection bias. his legacy includes three super bowls whether his detractors like it or not.

does robert kraft not get credit for the patriots super bowls because belichick is the de facto GM?
The difference is that Kraft is just the owner. Jerry has been the GM for decades now with no success. He absolutely gets credit for being an owner that brought 3 Super Bowl championships to Dallas. But rightfully so he gets creamed for being a piss poor GM that would have been ****canned a long ass time ago if he wasn't also the owner.
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