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I am on a job search right now.
I applied to a position on Linkedin and a recruiter called me from there and told me about the job being at a well known company A. Lateral role. This recruiter works for a company hired by this company A. I say okay and they send me a link to do a test. Takes me 3 hours and I do it. Pass. Then I have a 30 minute call with the hiring manager. I assume it went well because they move me to the next round and I do a case presentation for 3 members of the team. That was today. I think it went well but I don't really know. The initial feedback seemed good.

The recruiter calls me and wants to know how it went. Now I know he is invested but beyond "good", what else is there to say? It isn't my decision. I might be totally misled also. So then he begins to ask me if I was talking to other companies. I said yes, a couple and kept it vague. Then he wanted to know the roles and the companies names! I said I could not tell him that and that we should keep this recruiting exercise discrete and standalone. After all, he did not have the job of finding a job for me. His job was to find Company A an employee. So anything I tell him works against me. Then he began saying that he "understands that" but then he was asking for it so it would benefit me. Sure. He wanted to know if I liked the manager and job for A and I said yes (what else would I say).

Anyway I am talking to a couple of other companies and was able to move an interview of Company B forward so I hopefully have multiple offers at the same time so I am in a position to pick. I have not yet talked to Company B's manager but it seems like a better job than A. If Company A offers me and I don't have B then it gets sticky and I would like to avoid accepting and then rejecting. The recruiter seems to be trying to apply some pressure on me so that I feel like I have to accept an offer from A if it comes because he has gotten it out of me that I have no problems with the job.

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In reply to infinity ag • 12:26p, 1/23/24
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My colleagues may disagree, but a recruiter does not necessarily need to know the names of the companies you're also interviewing with; though it can be helpful to you if that information would improve your potential offer. The stage you're at in the process with other companies is important so that the recruiter can consult (apply appropriate degree of pressure to) their client (Company A) on timing so that they can get you that offer at the right time of you decision-making process. Obviously, the recruiter has a bias toward Company A. If you feel like the pressure is being put on you toward A, you may just need to remind the recruiter that you are interviewing with multiple companies and you are ultimately going to need to make the best decision for your career and for your family. Recruiter needs to respect this if you're establishing a boundary.

When I'm working with someone who's interviewing with a client or clients of mine, I definitely need to know where we're at in timing and around how many companies they might be interviewing with. That gives me an idea of if I can really get them through my client's process with the right timing to get an option (offer) on their table to consider with any others. If the company names are shared with me, it does give me more information to share with client about their competition for when it comes time to recommending various elements of the offer - base salary, a sign-on bonus, vacation days, car/phone allowances, etc. Because the client may be very familiar with that firm and where their compensation typically falls.

I think the key goes back to - the recruiter needs to be able to recognize their bias and be ok with you choosing a different option if it's best for your career and your family; and maybe that means the recruiter is even fighting for their client because they sincerely believe it to be best. If it doesn't seem like the recruiter is working from that perspective (selfless service to you, the person who has engaged with recruiter on your job search), then you'll be met with pressure.

Re. post-interview questions. Standard practice to check in after the interview to understand if your goals and theirs (and how recruiter presented it) are all aligned in the process. If they're not aligned, process ends or we seek clarification. If it does align, we can nudge the process forward, hopefully without interruption.

Hope you can forgive the disorganized stream of thought!
Blake '09
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12:47p, 1/23/24
recruiters are a necessary evil they want leads, info on jobs, but will ghost you at the drop of a dime
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In reply to infinity ag • 12:51p, 1/23/24
infinity ag said:
I am on a job search right now.
I applied to a position on Linkedin and a recruiter called me from there and told me about the job being at a well known company A. Lateral role. This recruiter works for a company hired by this company A. I say okay and they send me a link to do a test. Takes me 3 hours and I do it. Pass. Then I have a 30 minute call with the hiring manager. I assume it went well because they move me to the next round and I do a case presentation for 3 members of the team. That was today. I think it went well but I don't really know. The initial feedback seemed good.

The recruiter calls me and wants to know how it went. Now I know he is invested but beyond "good", what else is there to say? It isn't my decision. I might be totally misled also. So then he begins to ask me if I was talking to other companies. I said yes, a couple and kept it vague. Then he wanted to know the roles and the companies names! I said I could not tell him that and that we should keep this recruiting exercise discrete and standalone. After all, he did not have the job of finding a job for me. His job was to find Company A an employee. So anything I tell him works against me. Then he began saying that he "understands that" but then he was asking for it so it would benefit me. Sure. He wanted to know if I liked the manager and job for A and I said yes (what else would I say).

Anyway I am talking to a couple of other companies and was able to move an interview of Company B forward so I hopefully have multiple offers at the same time so I am in a position to pick. I have not yet talked to Company B's manager but it seems like a better job than A. If Company A offers me and I don't have B then it gets sticky and I would like to avoid accepting and then rejecting. The recruiter seems to be trying to apply some pressure on me so that I feel like I have to accept an offer from A if it comes because he has gotten it out of me that I have no problems with the job.



Infinity, I know you're weary of recruiters and HR folks, but you gotta learn to play the game. If they ask how the interview went, tell them it went great, and you connected with the hiring manager and really excited about the opportunity to work there. If they ask if you're talking to other companies, say yes you are talking to a few tech companies but their company is your top choice and the one you're most excited about.

Basically just tell them what they want to hear.

Good luck with the rest of your interviews and hope you get an offer soon!
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In reply to Petrino1 • 2:37p, 1/23/24
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infinity ag said:
I am on a job search right now.
I applied to a position on Linkedin and a recruiter called me from there and told me about the job being at a well known company A. Lateral role. This recruiter works for a company hired by this company A. I say okay and they send me a link to do a test. Takes me 3 hours and I do it. Pass. Then I have a 30 minute call with the hiring manager. I assume it went well because they move me to the next round and I do a case presentation for 3 members of the team. That was today. I think it went well but I don't really know. The initial feedback seemed good.

The recruiter calls me and wants to know how it went. Now I know he is invested but beyond "good", what else is there to say? It isn't my decision. I might be totally misled also. So then he begins to ask me if I was talking to other companies. I said yes, a couple and kept it vague. Then he wanted to know the roles and the companies names! I said I could not tell him that and that we should keep this recruiting exercise discrete and standalone. After all, he did not have the job of finding a job for me. His job was to find Company A an employee. So anything I tell him works against me. Then he began saying that he "understands that" but then he was asking for it so it would benefit me. Sure. He wanted to know if I liked the manager and job for A and I said yes (what else would I say).

Anyway I am talking to a couple of other companies and was able to move an interview of Company B forward so I hopefully have multiple offers at the same time so I am in a position to pick. I have not yet talked to Company B's manager but it seems like a better job than A. If Company A offers me and I don't have B then it gets sticky and I would like to avoid accepting and then rejecting. The recruiter seems to be trying to apply some pressure on me so that I feel like I have to accept an offer from A if it comes because he has gotten it out of me that I have no problems with the job.



Infinity, I know you're weary of recruiters and HR folks, but you gotta learn to play the game. If they ask how the interview went, tell them it went great, and you connected with the hiring manager and really excited about the opportunity to work there. If they ask if you're talking to other companies, say yes you are talking to a few tech companies but their company is your top choice and the one you're most excited about.

Basically just tell them what they want to hear.

Good luck with the rest of your interviews and hope you get an offer soon!

You are right, and I agree with you.
That is pretty much what I told the recruiter that I enjoyed the conversation, enjoyed talking to the team, the interviews were helpful etc. Nothing negative at all. He asked if I had any "issues" or "concerns" and said no. Everything was good from my side.

That is when he pivoted into other companies and I said yes I am talking to a few others which are at the beginning state. I did not rank them or say which is better and if he forced me to, I would say his company was the best option.

So you are right, and I will emphasize this and make it more apparent the next time it comes up!
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2:42p, 1/23/24
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If you act like a 14 year old and your answers are "good" and "nunya", you're going to struggle.

Your job right now is Sales. Selling yourself.

ABC (the Alec Baldwin speech from Glengarry Glenross)

Some of the info about the other jobs might help the hiring manager know how hard and how quickly he or she needs to push to get you hired. The interview feedback from your side should be something along the lines of, yeah, I think Billy Bob the hiring manager would be good to work for and Jack Mehoff the technical lead sounds like he'd be great to work with.

Seriously though, I've got a dude I'm trying to hire right now and he told me he's going on vacation for 2 weeks so, that gave me two weeks to figure out if the other 3 candidates were going to work out. 2 of them didn't and the 3rd one got hired somewhere else.

Now, I'm trying to get an offer together and get my candidate hired before the end of this month so people don't start playing budget games with my open headcount.
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AG
They may want to know so they know how fast they need to move on the next step before losing you to another offer.

Not sure if they need to know the other company, but who gives a ***** If it's a big name with a reputation for good salary or benefits, it might help your offer.
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In reply to bmks270 • 7:25a, 1/24/24
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Not sure if they need to know the other company, but who gives a ***** If it's a big name with a reputation for good salary or benefits, it might help your offer.

I would pretty much never disclose who else you are interviewing with for the same reason I would not advertise my new employment destination when quitting a job.

You never know who knows who...and who will call the other side to either bad-mouth you or tell them to stop pursuing you because they wanted to call dibs.

When I made my last job move several years ago, I completely switched industries. I thought there was no way that there would be any cross-over. After I had been here a few weeks, I ran across some records that showed that 3 people at my previous job used to work here and there were a lot of people here that still knew them and kept up with them. I left my old job on really good terms, but if one of those people didn't like me and found out where I was going...
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8:46a, 1/24/24
See, this is my challenge.

I am in the race with 2 companies.

Company A - Large, famous and decades old. Lateral role. I don't know where the HQ is but they have an office local to me. Work is "okay". Pay may be slightly below my last job. Not a tech company. Hybrid.
Company B - Large but not as large, but also famous. Internet company. Has an HQ in the Bay Area. New team, title is higher than my last one. Work will be "better" as it deals with newer tech like GenAI. Remote.

I prefer Company B.

I started the process with A about a week/10 days before B. I was happily surprised to see B call me as I had just applied. They seemed to be taking their own time so I had to ask them to speed up. I had the rush the recruiter interview to last Fri and asked that if the manager was interested, could we speak as soon as possible? She scheduled the manager meeting for Fri (26th) and then I asked her again and she was able to move it to yesterday at 4pm. I hate evening interviews as I spend the whole day in stress and related symptoms but I decided to just do it.

I am 1 step ahead in the process with A and had manager interview last week. Panel interview yesterday and initial feedback was positive. If they pass me through, then I will meet another person which is a formality. I do not know if Company B's manager will pass me though she seemed impressed. She said I was the first person she is talking to for the role so maybe that means she wants to talk to a few more? So that may delay me with Company B even if they pass me through.

So in an situation I might get an offer from A before B. And the recruiter will pressure me to accept. If I do and B gives me an offer later, I would have to decline A and go to B. It is messy and I generally dislike doing that.

If B rejects me then I have no option but to go with A. Which is okay but I don't see myself working there for too long (but that is a different story). So at this point it is a balancing act.

One might argue companies use and throw people all the time, why not you? Can't argue with that. If it comes to that I have to do what is right for me.
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In reply to bmks270 • 8:50a, 1/24/24
bmks270 said:
They may want to know so they know how fast they need to move on the next step before losing you to another offer.

Not sure if they need to know the other company, but who gives a ***** If it's a big name with a reputation for good salary or benefits, it might help your offer.

I don't think this is the case. Company A had contacted me in Dec and I declined right away because I was pissed that the role was lateral, the ad from the recruiting company had a higher title (bait and switch) and the manager is many years junior to me. But then the market is bad right now so I had a rethink. In the meantime they interviewed a few who also declined because they got other jobs. So the manager is desperate according to the recruiter.

I think the external recruiter wants to make sure he gets the "sale". I don't think he cares about me or getting me the right job. He works for the company, not me.

I did not give him the name because at this point, I don't have either offer. I told him I am obviously open to other companies but I want to keep all my interviews separate. He tried to pry it out but I did not reveal much other than the size of the company and that I was a stage behind in the process with them.

It is not easy so I guess I just have to let it play out.
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In reply to infinity ag • 10:32a, 1/24/24
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I've been a recruiter for 25+ years and would be happy to discuss your questions and concerns.

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In reply to infinity ag • 11:26a, 1/24/24
infinity ag said:
bmks270 said:
They may want to know so they know how fast they need to move on the next step before losing you to another offer.

Not sure if they need to know the other company, but who gives a ***** If it's a big name with a reputation for good salary or benefits, it might help your offer.

I don't think this is the case. Company A had contacted me in Dec and I declined right away because I was pissed that the role was lateral, the ad from the recruiting company had a higher title (bait and switch) and the manager is many years junior to me. But then the market is bad right now so I had a rethink. In the meantime they interviewed a few who also declined because they got other jobs. So the manager is desperate according to the recruiter.

I think the external recruiter wants to make sure he gets the "sale". I don't think he cares about me or getting me the right job. He works for the company, not me.

I did not give him the name because at this point, I don't have either offer. I told him I am obviously open to other companies but I want to keep all my interviews separate. He tried to pry it out but I did not reveal much other than the size of the company and that I was a stage behind in the process with them.

It is not easy so I guess I just have to let it play out.



Of course the recruiter wants you to accept the offer because then they'd make commission off of you. But ultimately no recruiter wants you to take a job only to leave within a few months, because then they're back to square one.
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9:12a, 1/26/24
All this is moot now. There was 1 out of 4 outcomes I was hoping not to see and it happened.

I got rejects from both today.

The one that I wanted (B) I am not sure why - no feedback. The other one (A) with the recruiter, they made me do a case study which I had to prepare slides and present for 15 minutes. I went slightly over time by a few minutes (2-3) but they they interrupted me many times with questions in the middle and took some of my time. Then they said that I "did not answer the questions directly". Hmm? The case was quite simple and not rocket science at all. Just some logical thinking to figure out what might happen in situations. At the end, after a some more Q&A, I made sure I asked them if they had any other questions and they said no. So I am surprised. I think it has to do with other reasons that cannot be openly talked about.
If they have to nitpick on me going a few minutes over and use that to negate my years of relevant experience then I am not sure how happy I would have been there with people focusing on the wrong things.

It is a tough market. Have to keep trying. Life goes on.
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In reply to infinity ag • 1:20p, 1/26/24
AG
Sorry to hear about the rejections. I know it's tough out there based on the number of applications I get for every job.

At least you made it to the final rounds so you're getting past the bots and HR screeners.

If they didn't like your presentation, for next time, consider if there is any way you could have anticipated questions or maybe even asked them interactively to repeat what you just told them. Force them to get engaged. Also, you can establish up front that you'll be taking questions at the end.

Always leave a good 10% of the time, or longer (especially depending on how self-absorbed the audience might be) for questions. For a 15 minute presentation, I'd probably leave 3 minutes for questions and disruptions.

A couple other things are, you don't know how many candidates they have. A friend of mine got rejected from a job with my company after making it to the final 2. Turns out there were 1,800 applicants and the guy they hired was a superstar on our internal staff so my buddy never really had a chance anyway - assuming they could lure this internal guy away from his job.

Keep plugging away and you might consider looking in markets where nobody wants to be like Los Angeles.
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Keep at it. It's a numbers game these days.
My son just graduated and is working very hard to find a job. Over 160 applications so far. The market is hard and all the AI/algorithms doing so much pre-screening doesn't help.

Keep at it. If you are a prayerful person, pray and ask for guidance. You will find the right role.
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In reply to infinity ag • 2:54p, 1/26/24
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After the "bait & switch" if you like the other one and don't mind "having" to take it, consider being more aggressive with the recruiter since He's not working for you anyway. Get more of what you want from him to press his paycheck company on, because there are other fish on your hook. He's trying to get you to help him get paid, make him get you what you want instead.
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In reply to ag94whoop • 11:01a, 1/28/24
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ag94whoop said:
Keep at it. It's a numbers game these days.
My son just graduated and is working very hard to find a job. Over 160 applications so far. The market is hard and all the AI/algorithms doing so much pre-screening doesn't help.

Keep at it. If you are a prayerful person, pray and ask for guidance. You will find the right role.


Did your sons degree plan not include internship and coops? What about hiring events or career days?

In my 25 years of recruiting I have concluded schools and companies do a poor job of recruiting graduates
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ABATTBQ87 said:
ag94whoop said:
Keep at it. It's a numbers game these days.
My son just graduated and is working very hard to find a job. Over 160 applications so far. The market is hard and all the AI/algorithms doing so much pre-screening doesn't help.

Keep at it. If you are a prayerful person, pray and ask for guidance. You will find the right role.


Did your sons degree plan not include internship and coops? What about hiring events or career days?

In my 25 years of recruiting I have concluded schools and companies do a poor job of recruiting graduates
Yes he had a great internship at Nabors last summer, and his boss wanted to create a spot for him but i think wasnt able to get it cleared. He also worked at the National Corrosion and Materials Reliability Lab at Rellis summer of 22 as well as last fall. He also did Undergraduate Research at the NCMRL. He attended recruiting events and Engineering Career Fairs the last two years. Lots of great conversations but probably 100 grads for each job so its tough. He is quite qualified for a lot of jobs he has applied for. I do think a lot of the issues as the fact that very few people see his resume...its mostly pre-screened. The interviews has has had hav e all come from when recruiters actually saw his resume instead of just some AI.
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would you send me his resume, please?

Jeff Flowers 1987 AT gmail dot com
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ABATTBQ87 said:
would you send me his resume, please?

Jeff Flowers 1987 AT gmail dot com


I'm traveling at the moment but I can send it this week.
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Sorry to hear about the rejections. I know it's tough out there based on the number of applications I get for every job.

At least you made it to the final rounds so you're getting past the bots and HR screeners.

If they didn't like your presentation, for next time, consider if there is any way you could have anticipated questions or maybe even asked them interactively to repeat what you just told them. Force them to get engaged. Also, you can establish up front that you'll be taking questions at the end.

Always leave a good 10% of the time, or longer (especially depending on how self-absorbed the audience might be) for questions. For a 15 minute presentation, I'd probably leave 3 minutes for questions and disruptions.

A couple other things are, you don't know how many candidates they have. A friend of mine got rejected from a job with my company after making it to the final 2. Turns out there were 1,800 applicants and the guy they hired was a superstar on our internal staff so my buddy never really had a chance anyway - assuming they could lure this internal guy away from his job.

Keep plugging away and you might consider looking in markets where nobody wants to be like Los Angeles.

Thanks Hollywood. It was disappointing for sure, especially Company B. The number of layoffs everywhere makes it a very tough market. I have "right sized" my expectations as well, this does not seem to be the time for advancement, it is more of a time to get something and keep looking when the pressure is less.

You are right, anything could be the reason. Company A had a woman in there from Austin, TX who was quite grumpy during the whole thing. I later saw that her title was the same as this job's and part of her job would be split into this role. Maybe she down-voted me? Who knows. It's okay. Company B lady said I was the first person she was talking to for the job. They have the luxury to wait and see in this situation.

Have to keep applying and keep interviewing.
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In reply to ag94whoop • 9:56a, 1/29/24
ag94whoop said:
Keep at it. It's a numbers game these days.
My son just graduated and is working very hard to find a job. Over 160 applications so far. The market is hard and all the AI/algorithms doing so much pre-screening doesn't help.

Keep at it. If you are a prayerful person, pray and ask for guidance. You will find the right role.

Thank you. Yes, it is a matter or hanging in there and keep doing this and one of these days something will click.
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In reply to infinity ag • 12:00p, 1/29/24
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It's a grind and it sucks but it is what it is.

As far as your interview with the lady from Austin, some people do perceive new hires as competition, others view it as an opportunity to expand the team capabilities and even mentor others.

I don't know about this specific opportunity but in the circles that I run in, I see a lot of employee referrals and network effects where people really want the candidate they referred to succeed so they'll get the $5,000 or get their friend hired, or whatever and not necessarily be focused on hiring the best candidate.

Also, a lot of people get hung up on some specific detail. Whether that's experience or a software product for whatever.
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In reply to ag94whoop • 4:32p, 1/29/24
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ag94whoop said:
ABATTBQ87 said:
would you send me his resume, please?

Jeff Flowers 1987 AT gmail dot com


I'm traveling at the moment but I can send it this week.


Thanks
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In reply to HollywoodBQ • 10:41a, 1/30/24
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It's a grind and it sucks but it is what it is.

As far as your interview with the lady from Austin, some people do perceive new hires as competition, others view it as an opportunity to expand the team capabilities and even mentor others.

I don't know about this specific opportunity but in the circles that I run in, I see a lot of employee referrals and network effects where people really want the candidate they referred to succeed so they'll get the $5,000 or get their friend hired, or whatever and not necessarily be focused on hiring the best candidate.

Also, a lot of people get hung up on some specific detail. Whether that's experience or a software product for whatever.

Thanks a lot man, I appreciate your responses and words of encouragement.

I truly do. When you get laid off, it is like a rejection. Someone does not want you. And when it happens multiple times, it can lead to mental health situations. I am pretty strong so I can deal with that, but I go through phases of "will I EVER get a job?" and "Is this it?". Then I get a call or something and feel my confidence coming back again. Up and down.

Yes, the Austin lady was giving me bad vibes the entire time. Even before the role-playing exercise where she was supposed to be a coworker. When we did intros, she seemed annoyed. She seemed like in her 30s and I looked up, not much education background so maybe she has an imposter syndrome going on. I have all the background and education and should be the manager's boss's boss but my own career goofups have landed me here. Anyway plan is once my kid goes to college, I become a "hoar" and change jobs as I need to go advance to where my A&M classmates all are (in the Bay, no one is a loser like I am to stick around int he Midwest).
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In reply to infinity ag • 5:55p, 1/30/24
infinity ag said:
See, this is my challenge.

I am in the race with 2 companies.

Company A - Large, famous and decades old. Lateral role. I don't know where the HQ is but they have an office local to me. Work is "okay". Pay may be slightly below my last job. Not a tech company. Hybrid.
Company B - Large but not as large, but also famous. Internet company. Has an HQ in the Bay Area. New team, title is higher than my last one. Work will be "better" as it deals with newer tech like GenAI. Remote.

I prefer Company B.

I started the process with A about a week/10 days before B. I was happily surprised to see B call me as I had just applied. They seemed to be taking their own time so I had to ask them to speed up. I had the rush the recruiter interview to last Fri and asked that if the manager was interested, could we speak as soon as possible? She scheduled the manager meeting for Fri (26th) and then I asked her again and she was able to move it to yesterday at 4pm. I hate evening interviews as I spend the whole day in stress and related symptoms but I decided to just do it.

I am 1 step ahead in the process with A and had manager interview last week. Panel interview yesterday and initial feedback was positive. If they pass me through, then I will meet another person which is a formality. I do not know if Company B's manager will pass me though she seemed impressed. She said I was the first person she is talking to for the role so maybe that means she wants to talk to a few more? So that may delay me with Company B even if they pass me through.

So in an situation I might get an offer from A before B. And the recruiter will pressure me to accept. If I do and B gives me an offer later, I would have to decline A and go to B. It is messy and I generally dislike doing that.

If B rejects me then I have no option but to go with A. Which is okay but I don't see myself working there for too long (but that is a different story). So at this point it is a balancing act.

One might argue companies use and throw people all the time, why not you? Can't argue with that. If it comes to that I have to do what is right for me.

OK, I can reveal that Company B was PayPal.
And they just announced 9% layoffs.
2 business days after rejecting me for an awesome position.

PayPal will cut about 2,500 jobs, or 9% of global workforce
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/30/paypal-will-cut-about-2500-jobs-or-9percent-of-global-workforce.html

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The cuts will affect both existing roles and job listings that PayPal had planned to hire for, and will take place over the course of the year.

That probably explains why I got a reject after a good interview with the hiring manager where I saw no reason not to move me to the next round. The lady was smiling and receptive all the time and seemed to want for this to happen.

Crap. Just my effin luck.
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I mean, that is lucky. Imagine accepting the job, turning down company A, and then getting told your position was being eliminated before you could even get started.
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In reply to AJ02 • 8:33a, 1/31/24
AJ02 said:
I mean, that is lucky. Imagine accepting the job, turning down company A, and then getting told your position was being eliminated before you could even get started.

This thing happened to me back in 1997 also. I interviewed with the hotshot company Netscape and was thrilled to get a call to go to Mountain View, CA. Got a reject. Then in a month or so they had their first big layoff and the company was gone pretty quickly.

I guess this means that the job is still there and they did not "decide to go with other candidates with qualifications more in line with our needs" like the rejection email claimed. So it might open up again.
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In reply to infinity ag • 10:44a, 1/31/24
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Yeah, I was recently approached by a relatively new "start-up" company to sort of build their procurement team from the ground up. Niche product line in O&G. Everything sounded good on paper, good salary, etc.

But ultimately I was just hesitant about jumping to a "start-up" in O&G in this economic landscape. And in hindsight, I'm glad I did with the way this administration is acting about LNG the last couple of weeks. A small company is less likely to be able to weather something like that and there's a good chance I would just be laid off not long after starting.
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In reply to ABATTBQ87 • 10:12a, 2/1/24
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ag94whoop said:
ABATTBQ87 said:
would you send me his resume, please?

Jeff Flowers 1987 AT gmail dot com


I'm traveling at the moment but I can send it this week.


Thanks


I asked my son to email it to you and he said he sent it yesterday sometime.
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