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Mike Hancho
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Howdy,

. I've been with my job for 3 months but received a new offer. I like my job, it's wfh, very laid back, great work life balance but it's not the best pay and no benefits.

New offer is better but it's fully in office and 8-5 cubicle type.

How should I best approach my current company to convince them to pay me more without upsetting them…

Any advice helps
ElephantRider
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After three months? It's dicey
HollywoodBQ
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Here are two of my relevant stories:

Indian Dude #1
We hired a dude after a long screening and interview process and he lasted 1 week.

I did not want to hire him because he had a 65 mile commute each way from as far south as you can get in The OC (Rancho Santa Margarita) to Burbank. Obviously he said that was no problem during the interview cycle but "C'mon Man", use some common sense, it's going to be a problem.

Since we really needed somebody, and we didn't have any other good candidates, we brought him on board.

A week later, he found a different opportunity closer to home and took it. Big surprise, huh?

Fast forward 8 years or so and I'm at a work conference event in Vegas and this dude comes up to me and is all like, "Hi, remember me? It's xxxxx, we use to work together." I'm like, uh, no.

I didn't even remember the dude. But, once I knew who he was, believe me, I wasn't doing him any favors.

Indian Dude #2
During the scamdemic, I had a lot of work and needed to hire some top shelf talent so I wound up hiring this guy from a competitor.

Dude was excellent. One of the smartest guys I've ever worked with. Learned everything quickly, and volunteered for work including travel (which was a problem for a lot of the people on my team in Blue States during the scamdemic).

The only problem I had with him was related to travel expenses which we corrected very quickly.

But, he only lasted 3 months because, coming to work for us was basically a way to get out from under a problem situation he was in at his employer. Once he was outside of the company, a different part of their business was able to come and recruit him to come back to work for them.

So, I was pretty irritated at the whole situation and I'd certainly never hire that guy again but, I am still glad that I hired him based on the amount of high quality work he did during the 3 months he worked for me.

Summary
If you plan to work with Company A anytime in the next decade, don't switch jobs.
If you don't care about burning bridges and there's no way you'd ever go back to Company A, then go ahead and take the job at Company B.

Do Not go to Company A and say, yeah, I know I just started here and really haven't proven myself but somebody else will pay me more, what are you going to do about it?

Bonus Story
I've got a friend who was a specialist in a specific Engineering thing that only two companies did.
He managed to get himself fired from Company A but landed a job at Company B.

The box he put himself in (due to his dalliances with staff at Company A) meant that if he got fired from Company B, he was going to be completely out of the industry. The point is that it's good to keep your options open and build relationships because you never know when you might need them.
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How much higher is the new offer?
Rudyjax
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Mike Hancho said:

Howdy,

. I've been with my job for 3 months but received a new offer. I like my job, it's wfh, very laid back, great work life balance but it's not the best pay and minimal benefits.

New offer is better but it's fully in office and 8-5 cubicle type.

How should I best approach my current company to convince them to pay me more without upsetting them…

Any advice helps
How much more is the new offer?
Think of wardrobe. Gas. Commute time.

If i hired someone 3 months ago and they asked for a raise, I would say, So long and thanks for all the fish.

FightinTAC08
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Personally, I'm not asking for anything after 3 months. you took a job that was acceptable 3 months ago. i'd try after a year or so if i was wanting something better.

Are you willing to take the new offer if current employer balks at you? sounds like you'd rather keep the current gig but i don't see asking for anything happens - have you even had a chance to prove your worth?

how much better is the new offer?
does the new offer benefit your career advancement?
what's the math on the commuting expenses with that increased offer? if current employer finds out its in office and the costs vs wage increase are a near wash they may not care at all.
Mike Hancho
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about 20k plus benefits, dont have benefits now and am a 1099 contractor. But I honestly only work maybe 2 hours a day right now
Naveronski
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Current gig is 100% remote and only requires about two hours of work?

Can you do both jobs?
AgLA06
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Mike Hancho said:

How should I best approach my current company to convince them to pay me more without upsetting them…

You don't unless it's to resign. Or you'll likely find yourself without a job having to explain why you were fired after 3 months. Which probably won't go over well when company B does an employment verification.

I look at this differently than many of the others. I don't fault a person for taking a role that's better for them or their family. It's a job and the only reason most people pimp themselves out. It doesn't matter if it's 3 days or 30 years. People are paid to a do a job, period. None of the people looking down at you for "burning bridges" have ever not laid someone off because of "Loyalty". So take the emotion out of the situation. If you handle it professionally and it burns a bridge, making the change if probably for the best anyway. You spend way too much time working with people for them to act like unprofessional children.

Go through the process with Company B. You have a chance to force the negotiation as you don't need a job and you can express not wanted to burn a bridge unless the offer is worth it. Figure out what that is and only accept the job if you get it. Otherwise keep you head down, do a good job at Company A, as if nothing is going on. Because there's a million reason why Company B might pull the offer.
AgLA06
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Mike Hancho said:

about 20k plus benefits, dont have benefits now and am a 1099 contractor. But I honestly only work maybe 2 hours a day right now
My suggestion would be to find a second or third similar remote job as a 1099 and not look back instead.
Mike Hancho
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no, if that was the case i'd find a second job but my industry is tight on that
AgLA06
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You have a lot of great stories, but I don't get your logic on this.

You're requiring a hypocritical loyalty from people that you yourself wouldn't return. No way you turn down an external promotion because you owe the same loyalty to an employee you just hired 3 months ago and told you would be their boss. Because it would make zero sense to do so for your family. Same for them.

Unless you're willing to resign instead of laying them off, their only obligation is fulfilling the job description your company pays them to do.
AgLA06
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Mike Hancho said:

no, if that was the case i'd find a second job but my industry is tight on that
If you are 1099 ( a contractor) it's no different than owning your own company and having more than 1 customer. They want to monetize your ability to work, they have to make you a well compensated employee with benefits.

There's nothing to be tight on. Now if you are a full time employee, sure.
AgLA06
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Rudyjax said:

Mike Hancho said:

Howdy,

. I've been with my job for 3 months but received a new offer. I like my job, it's wfh, very laid back, great work life balance but it's not the best pay and minimal benefits.

New offer is better but it's fully in office and 8-5 cubicle type.

How should I best approach my current company to convince them to pay me more without upsetting them…

Any advice helps
How much more is the new offer?
Think of wardrobe. Gas. Commute time.

If i hired someone 3 months ago and they asked for a raise, I would say, So long and thanks for all the fish.


It makes no sense to let someone go for asking if you'd look down on them for quitting after 3 months. Just politely tell them no and why and move on.

The same people that say this are also pissed they would quit without giving you the opportunity to keep them.

Some of you are unreal.

Mike Hancho
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im 1099, but i basically am a full time employee. Meaning i have to be available certain hours, I dont know if this is acutally legal.
AgLA06
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Mike Hancho said:

im 1099, but i basically am a full time employee. Meaning i have to be available certain hours, I dont know if this is acutally legal.
It's not.

https://www.keepertax.com/posts/1099-employee-rights

https://www.mbopartners.com/blog/how-manage-small-business/what-are-your-rights-as-an-independent-contractor/

I'd suggest to take the weekend to figure out what and how 1099 works.
Rudyjax
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AgLA06 said:

Rudyjax said:

Mike Hancho said:

Howdy,

. I've been with my job for 3 months but received a new offer. I like my job, it's wfh, very laid back, great work life balance but it's not the best pay and minimal benefits.

New offer is better but it's fully in office and 8-5 cubicle type.

How should I best approach my current company to convince them to pay me more without upsetting them…

Any advice helps
How much more is the new offer?
Think of wardrobe. Gas. Commute time.

If i hired someone 3 months ago and they asked for a raise, I would say, So long and thanks for all the fish.


It makes no sense to let someone go for asking if you'd look down on them for quitting after 3 months. Just politely tell them no and why and move on.

The same people that say this are also pissed they would quit without giving you the opportunity to keep them.

Some of you are unreal.




I have no idea what you're saying. I wouldn't let them go but would encourage them to take the new job.
Mike Hancho
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I've never been 1099 before, this is basically what they told me as well as being 1099 for tax purposes
AgLA06
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Rudyjax said:

AgLA06 said:

Rudyjax said:

Mike Hancho said:

Howdy,

. I've been with my job for 3 months but received a new offer. I like my job, it's wfh, very laid back, great work life balance but it's not the best pay and minimal benefits.

New offer is better but it's fully in office and 8-5 cubicle type.

How should I best approach my current company to convince them to pay me more without upsetting them…

Any advice helps
How much more is the new offer?
Think of wardrobe. Gas. Commute time.

If i hired someone 3 months ago and they asked for a raise, I would say, So long and thanks for all the fish.


It makes no sense to let someone go for asking if you'd look down on them for quitting after 3 months. Just politely tell them no and why and move on.

The same people that say this are also pissed they would quit without giving you the opportunity to keep them.

Some of you are unreal.




I have no idea what you're saying. I wouldn't let them go but would encourage them to take the new job.
Gotch you. It came of as you would fire them.
Rudyjax
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AgLA06 said:

Rudyjax said:

AgLA06 said:

Rudyjax said:

Mike Hancho said:

Howdy,

. I've been with my job for 3 months but received a new offer. I like my job, it's wfh, very laid back, great work life balance but it's not the best pay and minimal benefits.

New offer is better but it's fully in office and 8-5 cubicle type.

How should I best approach my current company to convince them to pay me more without upsetting them…

Any advice helps
How much more is the new offer?
Think of wardrobe. Gas. Commute time.

If i hired someone 3 months ago and they asked for a raise, I would say, So long and thanks for all the fish.


It makes no sense to let someone go for asking if you'd look down on them for quitting after 3 months. Just politely tell them no and why and move on.

The same people that say this are also pissed they would quit without giving you the opportunity to keep them.

Some of you are unreal.




I have no idea what you're saying. I wouldn't let them go but would encourage them to take the new job.
Gotch you. It came of as you would fire them.
I don't think you go my reference. No worries.
FightinTAC08
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they want you to be 1099 to save themselves on taxes and benefits. but if they are dictating hours and schedules you should be an employee.

do what agLa06 says and do some reading. if you are 1099 you can have a 100 jobs if you wanted if you could make it work. you are self employed as a 1099 contractor.

are you contemplating Self employment tax? because as a 1099 income earner you have to pay double the tax from an employee (the employers share)/
FightinTAC08
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there are other threads on this forum about 1099 vs employee as well. but most would say being 1099 would require a minimum 20-30% (probably more) wage rate in excess of a comparable w-2 employee job (to cover your own retirement and healthcare). so factor that in too.

you can deduct qualifying expenses, now have to purchase the next tier of tax preparation software during tax time, have to remit fed taxes quarterly (if you don't withhold enough or any), along with many other considerations.
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AgLA06 said:

You have a lot of great stories, but I don't get your logic on this.

You're requiring a hypocritical loyalty from people that you yourself wouldn't return. No way you turn down an external promotion because you owe the same loyalty to an employee you just hired 3 months ago and told you would be their boss. Because it would make zero sense to do so for your family. Same for them.

Unless you're willing to resign instead of laying them off, their only obligation is fulfilling the job description your company pays them to do.
Thanks for the compliment on my stories about the numerous weirdos I've worked with and odd situations I've been in during the past 28 years in the Information Technology business.

I was hypocritical a little bit but, I haven't shared my own personal story on that because it wasn't relevant to this scenario.

In the Indian Dude #2 story where the guy worked for me for 3 months, we did try everything we could do to keep him working for us because he was top shelf talent.

And I don't fault him for taking what he thought was a better opportunity but I did feel somewhat *used* since he was only with us for 3 months and then went back to the same employer he was at previously.

In IT, it's so difficult to find anybody who is any good that you would like them to commit to you for at least a year or two before they bounce to the next job. Especially when you're a vendor/manufacturer and it's going to take any new hire some period of time (months) to learn your product.

When I got the replacement req for Indian Dude #2, I hired Indian Dude #3 who turned out to be good but not great. He stayed with me for about 18 months until we had to let him go during a downsizing last year. One of his favorite things about working for me was that I let him take off 2 hours on Fridays to go to prayer. It's all about what's really important in life and $$$$ aren't always it.
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Is your current job a career, or just a job? Does the new position get you more towards a career?

Sounds like you have lots of free time on your hands with your current role, time you won't have working an 8-5 job in the office. My advice is to figure out what you want out of your job (besides current earnings).
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What does the new offer company have in their contract about side work? I'm in the maybe try both camp depending on that.
Mike Hancho
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No side work at new job, honestly don't know if I can do side work at current job either
AgLA06
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Mike Hancho said:

No side work at new job, honestly don't know if I can do side work at current job either
I'm starting to think this is a troll.
Captain Winky
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This is a perfect example of doing what is best for you and not your employer. You gave a couple of examples of how you were upset about an employee working for you for a short amount of time and then jumping for a better opportunity. Then you kind of nonchalantly give a different example of a guy that worked for you until the company decided he wasn't worth keeping during downsizing.

Why is it ok for the company to downsize and put someone on the street but not an employee to find something better for themselves? (I am not presuming that it was easy for you to let someone go but the guy was still out of a job).

Do what is best for you end of story.
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Take the offer to your current employer and ask that they make you a full time employee matching what the other company is giving you. If they don't, take the other gig.

You're a 1099 contractor so I'd hold no grudge if you left for something full time. It's kind of expected.
Mike Hancho
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We are all full time employees in every sense, except that I get paid 1099 cause the owners are cheap and I have zero benefits. Other than that I am full time
Mike Hancho
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I'm not trolling banking industry cracks down hard at having dual employment
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Then you're not a full time employee no matter how it's being framed. If they want to keep you, you wouldn't be 1099...

I'd ask them to match other offer, or I'd be gone!
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Did you sign a non-compete or something?

As an independent contractor, why wouldn't you make yourself available to a wider audience?
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Is this really not a troll? You won't burn any bridges by jumping to a higher paying W-2 job over a current 1099 with crappy and shady expectations. As someone else stated, they probably expect you to leave.
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Don't get me wrong, you should definitely do what's best for you but, you should also weigh the consequences of your actions as I explained earlier.

If you plan to never work with any of those people or that company ever again, go ahead and quit after 1 week or whatever.

Otherwise, when you take a new job, you should commit to it for a period of time, at least 1-2 years in my line of work.

Yeah, employers may screw you around but that's always the case. With Indian Guy #3 who we had to let go, he had a very strong skill set and credentials and earned more than $200k/yr. He was out of work for 3 weeks before he found another job.
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