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IT Job Skills - Week 4 of 10 - Resumes and Qualifications

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About a year ago, I started posting what I intended to be 10 straight weeks of things you would need to know to improve your chances of getting a job in Information Technology.

I got busy with stuff and stalled out after the first 3 weeks. But, I'm in the process of trying to hire people and it's a lot more difficult in 2021 than it has been in the past. So, I thought I'd revive my IT Job Skills tutoring session threads.

This isn't the sequence I wanted to present this material in but, it's topical for me at the moment so here I go.

First, if I told you what the pay is for a highly specialised job in IT, most people get very interested. But on the other side of the coin, if I told you what you have to do - very detailed, sometimes monotonous/repetitive and boring / not glamorous, working with numerous non-native English speakers with heavy accents, most people would say - there is no way I'd ever do that.

Part 1 - Please tailor your resume to the job you're applying for
If you're applying to "hundreds" of jobs and not getting any callbacks, this could definitely be a reason why.
I'm reviewing candidate resumes right now and I'm looking for a specific set of skills. This is called out in the job description.

The first candidate I rejected this morning was a Manufacturing Engineer with education credentials as an Electrical Engineer. Now maybe he's done. Systems Administration work but that was nowhere on his resume.

Part 2 - Update your resume to remove old and/or irrelevant jobs
I first saw this when I was working for the House of Mouse and we were trying to hire a Systems Administrator. One of the guys who applied and we later hired, listed all his experience back to when he first started working with Cobol for Control Data Corporation in 1979. That's interesting but, completely not relevant to what we were doing with IBM AIX, fibrechannel switches, SAN storage, etc.

Maybe you've got an interesting story to tell about when you spent a summer driving a tourist bus at Yellowstone National Park or maybe you've got an interesting story to tell about when you were working highway construction on Galveston Island one summer. But, how does that experience relate to the IT job you're applying for?

If you're a recent college grad, leave that stuff on your resume. But, if you've got 20 years experience, I'm really most interested in what you've been doing for the past 3 to 5 to 8 years. Because technology changes so rapidly, it probably doesn't matter much what you did 10 to 15 to 20 years ago.

Now in my case, I list at the bottom in the additional interest section, the fact that my first job was delivering newspapers in my hometown in Saudi Arabia. I leave that in primarily as a check to see if they read my resume.

Another exception is that I include a mention about military service. It shows another dimension to a person that might distinguish them from their peers.

Part 3 - Update your resume to remove old and/or irrelevant certifications/qualifications
Here's a simple example. Working with Microsoft Windows.
Since 1996 when Windows NT4 came out, Microsoft has released a new version of Windows every 3-4 years.
These Windows versions are supported for maybe 7-12 years before they become unsupported by Microsoft.

Knowing that, and knowing that with IT software, everybody wants to know what's in the latest version, so, how far would you go back in your Windows qualifications? Does anybody care that you got your NT4 MCSE back in 1998?

I was just looking at a resume where the guy listed 6 different certifications for a software that is completely unrelated to what I'm looking for (back to the tailor your resume part).

And, he listed 4 different certifications for Windows 2008. This is 2021. Since 2008, there's been 2008R2, 2012, 2016, 2019 since then. So, why is he listing a software that is no longer supported by the manufacturer? And this also begs the question - why hasn't he updated his certifications during the past decade?

Part 4 - Your Additional Interests, Hobbies, etc. - make them interesting
Reviewed a guy's resume and he listed a few interests and one of them included the fact that he had volunteered with an organisation 5 times.

If you're showing me 20 years of work experience and you want to include community volunteering, I would expect that it's something you're committed to.

Like you coached Little League for 3 years or that you're a member of the Gallon blood donor club, or you're on the board at the local food bank.

Now, you don't have to go so far as a lady I used to work with who had raised $2 Million for medical research for a disease her husband had. But show me that if this is something you like to do to help the community, do it and make it impressive. Otherwise, leave it off.

On the other side of the coin, I've seen lots of people get callbacks because they participate in some activity that the hiring manager is interested in. Motorcycle riders are probably the most common.

Remember that getting your resume reviewed and moved up to the next level means that you're going to have to make it appear that you are qualified for the job and that you're more appealing than the next candidate.

I'll probably think of some more tips over the next few weeks.
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Do you have an email that I could contact you at? I've got a few questions.
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RG20 said:

Do you have an email that I could contact you at? I've got a few questions.
I can post an Email here but what sorts of things do you want to know?
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A few more comments on resumes

Buzzwords / Keywords
The fact of the matter today is that you have to get through the bots and the know-nothing recruiters. So, you need to get the keywords in there. Personally, I like to use them in a sentence as much as possible but, that requires much more typing.

I saw a resume from a guy who had a pretty good approach to this.
He created a table of about 4 columns and 5 rows.
This gave him 20 spots for keywords / buzzwords - "Cloud" , "DevOps" , etc.

Cover Letters
On cover letters and in resumes, please use paragraphs, or bullet points as much as possible. Walls of text are really difficult to decipher. Especially when you've got a lot of resumes to review. You want to make it as easy as possible for the hiring manager.

Resume & Cover Letter should be compatible
I just read a great cover letter where the guy said all the right things in a well organised format so I was really excited to read his resume. His resume was a disaster.

I know the guy so I know he's qualified but it's not coming across in written form. Honestly, it looks like the resume and the cover letter were written by two different people.
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Went through a lot of resumes today and saw a few more things.
1 - Saw a plain text resume. it was interesting. Very basic, almost no formatting.
2 - Page Breaks Don't start a new section on the last line of a page. Go ahead and force a page break so that you start a new section or a new role on a new page.
3 - Length - anywhere from a few hundred characters for the plain text guy up to 9 pages for another guy. I don't care who you are, you're not 9 pages worth of interesting.
4 - Location - now, in the modern Covid work from home era, this is less important but, time zones are still relevant.

You don't have to include your address so I can Zillow your house and Google Street Map your neighbourhood but, if you don't tell me where you're located, I'm not going to know if you're going to be right for a job that is based on a particular territory.

Likewise, if there is a location listed, I hope to see an explanation in your cover letter about your familiarity or desire to live/work in the new location.
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Yes, I'd rather correspond via email. Just have some things in the tech field in general I'd like to discuss.
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Just stopped by to add another comment about old certifications.

If one of your top accomplishments - on the first page - is IT certifications, they should at least be from a company that is still a going concern.

3 different Sun Microsystems Systems Administration certifications would have been very impressive in 1998.
But the current year is 2021 and Sun Microsystems hasn't been a going concern since Oracle acquired them over 11 years ago.

The Sun Solaris certs are good foundational skills that will transfer but, I guarantee you that less than 1% of my customers are going to be running Solaris. I would expect to see some sort of statement about how you transitioned over to Linux or AIX, etc. Preferably, replaced the old Sun certs with newer Linux certs.

EDIT: and don't forget about - PAGE BREAKS
I can't recognise at first glance, the fact that you had an impressive job if the employer is on one page and the job title is on a different page.
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I'll start with the good.

Skills - One guy listed his skills in a very effective way. He bulleted about 8 or 9 different categories and then listed one category per line with multiple entries per line.

And example might be something like:
Servers - IBM, Dell, Cisco, HPE
Databases - Oracle, MSSQL, MySQL
Operating Systems - Windows, SUSE, RedHat, AIX

The double genius part of that is that it's not only is it both human and machine readable, he also didn't list a specific software version so, I assume if he's saying he knows Windows that it is a current and relevant version, not Windows NT4 or something like that.

Now the downside - again Page Breaks. Ugh!

Experience Summary - your summary of experience shouldn't have 15 bullet points that span a page and a half. How is that a summary? Make it a nice tidy little paragraph or two.

Graphics - I received one resume that looked like a bunch of junky machine language characters for about 5 lines worth of bullet points. I don't know if the guy was trying to embed a logo or something but whatever he did, it didn't come through the HR system correctly. So I don't know if he was trying to say something in those 5 lines or what.

Formats - basically you've got three formats that you should/could put your resume in:
  • PDF - gives you the most control over the appearance
  • MS Word - probably the easiest to edit and distribute
  • Plain Text - obviously the easiest for machine reading but the most difficult to format. Also lacks the pop that you can get through the use of fonts, bullets, page breaks, headers, footers, etc.
Software Versions - If there is some hot new version that you've worked with, tell me that. But otherwise, tell me which software you've worked with and I'll assume it's reasonably current. I got a resume from a guy who listed 11 different versions of the same software he worked with.

If you just say, I've been working with software version 5.1 through 8.1, I'm good with that. I don't need to know about the other 9 point versions in between.

Certifications - and again, if you're certified on version 8.x and version 9.x is already out, I don't need to know about your certifications for version 7.x from 2010. I guess the point is that if the manufacturer doesn't even support that version any longer (EOSL), no need to brag about knowing it.

Education - the debate exists about whether or not you should include your graduation date (potential age discrimination). But, if you're going to list a Masters Degree in Computer Science, at least tell me what school it was from. And if you're going to list a Masters, you should probably also include your Bachelors details. Otherwise, I have questions about your credentials and your ability to communicate.
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This hits a couple of the points above...

A big turn off for me is when I see a resume that has listed almost half a page of technical capabilities. While its nice to know that you have some technical skills, the job is for a Consulting Program Manager. Order the list with the people skills at the top and a couple of technical skills to show me that you also understand technology.

Second turn off is bullet-point eye tests. Bullets are meant to highlight something in a succinct manner. If every sentence on the page is bullet-pointed, then nothing is important.

Its a lot of work, but make the resume look good and speak to the requirements of the job.
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I appreciate these posts. But man its depressing to be on the job hunt for good jobs. I've been there.

And everyone wants a perfectly tailored resume that speaks perfectly to their needs. I know its extra work but...Yeah it is an order of magnitude extra work.

Managers and job seekers get caught up too much in the little details. 80% of the jobs at the end of the day need to pass two tests: Do they have the personality I can work with/train? Can they be trusted to learn quickly and manage the work? Everything else is just psuedo-measuring those abilities.

That manufacturing engineer with electrical engineering degree could handle whatever IT throws at them. I'm sure he's trapped by his credentials. Probably wants a career change but every IT job that pays equivalently is going to be an experienced manager hire and they aren't going to start over at the bottom and get paid like they don't have an engineering degree for a few years.

Also, cover letters. Only do the T-chart method. Everything else doesn't work. Job description on the left side, how you fill the roles specifically on the right. Managers will pick up that phone if you do it.
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I am in the job market right now looking for an upgrade and I have a 20+ year resume. In tech Product Management.

1. Do I even put on there a mention my employer from 1999?
2. Does anyone care about a cover letter? I usually don't upload any if it is optional. Don't remember anyone requiring it.

These days it is harder to interview than to do the job. They make you go through so many hoops looking for you to fail. Then the job itself is a big letdown.

I think the recruiting industry is itself displaying traits of maintaining job security. If you make recruiting a complex forbidding animal then they justify their jobs. Just like many in middle management who can easily be culled. We have a few in our team who don't really contribute but they raise silly issues all the time, call large meetings, make slides and fret about things. Then quietly drop them after they get the visibility. Job interviews are like that now, it's been made so complex. I with 11 years exp in Product Management got rejected for a Senior Product Manager job by a interviewer with 3 years of experience based on 2 "Tell me about a time when" questions. Ridiculous.
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infinity ag said:

I am in the job market right now looking for an upgrade and I have a 20+ year resume. In tech Product Management.

1. Do I even put on there a mention my employer from 1999?
2. Does anyone care about a cover letter? I usually don't upload any if it is optional. Don't remember anyone requiring it.

These days it is harder to interview than to do the job. They make you go through so many hoops looking for you to fail. Then the job itself is a big letdown.

I think the recruiting industry is itself displaying traits of maintaining job security. If you make recruiting a complex forbidding animal then they justify their jobs. Just like many in middle management who can easily be culled. We have a few in our team who don't really contribute but they raise silly issues all the time, call large meetings, make slides and fret about things. Then quietly drop them after they get the visibility. Job interviews are like that now, it's been made so complex. I with 11 years exp in Product Management got rejected for a Senior Product Manager job by a interviewer with 3 years of experience based on 2 "Tell me about a time when" questions. Ridiculous.
I work for a software company. What kind of product management are you looking for? We have a few openings.

On #1, if it is relevant, then I'd think of putting on your resume. In my case, I had a 10 year career before I ever enrolled at A&M. I don't bother with that since it is a completely different industry than earlier in my working life.

On #2, that's a hard one because I know recruiters that really like to see them, but it doesn't really do anything for me as a hiring manager.
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After a week off, I'm back into the grind of reviewing resumes.

Today's hot tips.

Active voice is great but, you don't need to list "I" did this, "I" did that.
Just reviewed a dude's resume that had no joke, at least 10 bullet points that all started with the word "I".
It's your resume, of course I know it was "You" who did the thing.

Seeing more usage of tables for listing skills and keywords. That's pretty effective.

Listing education is great but... I recommend listing an expected degree only if you're one semester away. Saw a guy's resume listing a degree with an expected graduation date three years from now. Seemed strange to me.

About those other activities. Don't have more details about your side hustle and your volunteer work than you do about your actual work. Especially if the volunteer work includes something that looks like voter manipulation - seriously.
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infinity ag said:

I am in the job market right now looking for an upgrade and I have a 20+ year resume. In tech Product Management.

1. Do I even put on there a mention my employer from 1999?
2. Does anyone care about a cover letter? I usually don't upload any if it is optional. Don't remember anyone requiring it.

These days it is harder to interview than to do the job. They make you go through so many hoops looking for you to fail. Then the job itself is a big letdown.

I think the recruiting industry is itself displaying traits of maintaining job security. If you make recruiting a complex forbidding animal then they justify their jobs. Just like many in middle management who can easily be culled. We have a few in our team who don't really contribute but they raise silly issues all the time, call large meetings, make slides and fret about things. Then quietly drop them after they get the visibility. Job interviews are like that now, it's been made so complex. I with 11 years exp in Product Management got rejected for a Senior Product Manager job by a interviewer with 3 years of experience based on 2 "Tell me about a time when" questions. Ridiculous.
Good question about 1999.

For me, my employer was Dell and we were at the end of the glorious 1990s. I was there for 3 of the 6 stock splits. But, it's amazing to me how many of the Bay Area companies I've spoken to in recent years, don't even remember the Dell from the dot.com era. Cisco maybe. Dell, what's that? They only know the Dell of today.

I still list it but frankly, all the ass I kicked during that era is becoming less and less relevant. Whereas the Cloud stuff I've done during the past 14 months has become extremely important.

Cover Letter - honestly, it's a nice differentiator and frankly, it helps explain what you're after. Maybe 2-3 short paragraphs that explain why you're interested in this role.

One thing that really surprised me was an existing employee who applied for the job in the company system without submitting a cover letter or a resume. I know who the guy is from working with him but, without the background, I don't really know him that well. So even if you're an internal candidate, you should go through the motions and treat your application like you're seriously. applying for a job.

I agree with the tedious rounds of interviews. I'll use another Dell example but when I interviewed at Dell in the late 1990s, it was an all day affair where I interviewed with maybe 6 different people. It was gruelling but it was over in one day. Nowadays, we're talking about 4-6 rounds of phone interviews stretched out over a month followed by reference checks.

As far as recruiters, honestly, they are even worse now than what they were back in 1999 when I had a team with 5 open reqs and they would forward me any resume that matched one of my handful of keywords I gave them. As soon as they found a match, they'd send it to me. I got real irritated when they sent me a Salesman's resume for a Systems Administration job.

Sorry you're having a tough time right now. I'd say employers are definitely in the driver's seat. The other thing I'll add is that there aren't enough H-1B Visas to fill all of the demand that's out there.
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HollywoodBQ said:


I'd say employers are definitely in the driver's seat.
How so. Please, correct me if I'm wrong... recent news reports reveals that there is a shortage of employees in a lot of work categories.. I would suggest the ball is in the employee's court.

Near everything else upon which youy touched rings true.

Thank you.
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JamesPShelley said:

HollywoodBQ said:


I'd say employers are definitely in the driver's seat.
How so. Please, correct me if I'm wrong... recent news reports reveals that there is a shortage of employees in a lot of work categories.. I would suggest the ball is in the employee's court.

Near everything else upon which youy touched rings true.

Thank you.
For degreed, professional positions in some industries, it's definitely the case. I've seen openings within 100+ applicants within hours of them being posted.
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Last year when I was hiring for a position, I selected 3 applicants from the pool and one of them responded that they were good with where they were. It just amazed me that they went through the effort to apply and then refused an interview. This was Oct/Nov timeframe
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I Am A Critic said:

JamesPShelley said:

HollywoodBQ said:


I'd say employers are definitely in the driver's seat.
How so. Please, correct me if I'm wrong... recent news reports reveals that there is a shortage of employees in a lot of work categories.. I would suggest the ball is in the employee's court.

Near everything else upon which youy touched rings true.

Thank you.
For degreed, professional positions in some industries, it's definitely the case. I've seen openings within 100+ applicants within hours of them being posted.
My comment was really referring to jobs which require specific skill sets.

And also to the comments by infinity ag about the number of interview rounds you have to go through now where everybody is looking for cultural fit, their perfect candidate, etc.

The reality is that it's taking 2 - 4 months to hire somebody who might only last 18 months in the job.

Now for lower skilled positions, there are help wanted signs everywhere. The worst situation I saw was last week in Las Colinas. The bar in my hotel was closed - because they couldn't find a bartender to hire. Nuts.
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Here is today's report from the frontlines:

Good
  • I saw a real slick way to list certifications which was to place all the icons in a single row. Used the minimum number of lines on your resume and quickly showed what you know.
  • If you speak, read or write a foreign language, please include that. I just saw a guy who speaks Cantonese which could be a great help for some of our business in Hong Kong / Taiwan.
  • Putting your contact info in one line in the footer on each page is probably a good idea.
Bad / Recommendations for improvement
  • Make sure your LinkedIn and Resume are in sync. Especially if the first thing under your name is a link to your LinkedIn profile.
  • Have correct start / end dates. Especially if two employers ago lasted for 15 years. I saw a guy with some relevant experience but I couldn't tell if it was from 2004 or 2019 or somewhere in between. Technology has changed a lot during that time. It's important how fresh that experience is.
  • Do not list your pronouns. Please.
  • If one of your extra curricular / community involvement items is working as an actual clown for children... Some folks might get creeped out.
  • Listing "Tom Brady" as one of your interests - weird
  • Do Not use 5 different fonts plus a combination of ALL CAPS AND BOLDFACE
  • Also, use Boldface to accent certain points or titles, or employers, etc. Do not use boldface for an entire section that spans multiple lines. How am I supposed to know which part is the important part?
  • If you're going to put the page numbers in the footer of your 4-6 page resume, please update the page numbers so that you don't wind up Page 4 of 6 when your resume is only 4 pages.
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I've taken a break from the Job Board because I had a lot going on - including hiring like crazy (I mean it's not Dell in the late 1990s but... still more busy than I can handle by myself).

So here are today's observations / complaints for hiring in India.

Screening - I've got one job that's been open for 3 weeks and I have more than 1,500 applicants. I can't possibly hope to give that many resumes a good once over. I do have an HR screener person but... she's got a bunch of other jobs she's assigned to too.

Word Walls - Bullets and brevity are your friend. And of course these should be combined with action words showing accomplishments.
  • Increased operational reliability by 37%
  • Decreased unplanned downtime by 2 hours per quarter
  • Grew install base by 1,500 virtual machines
Versus writing me a 60-90 word story for each of those items.

Bullet Overuse - I'm looking at a resume right now of a guy who is describing his knowledge of the Linux Operating System
  • 34 bullet points - seriously
  • And that's just for Linux
  • We've got another 17 bullet points for VMware
  • No bullet points for Windows so... I guess that means he doesn't know Windows
  • add 29 more bullets to this list and that's just his Linux description
Experience "glimpse" was 31 bullet points

After that, all I can say is groupings, headings and themes. Would go a long way with some of these resumes.

I'm trying to find that needle in the haystack. Not find the easter egg hidden on the needle inside the haystack.

Edited to add... please don't name your resume "resume.docx" or whatever. I just downloaded my 8th copy of CV.docx. At least name the file with your name.
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I'm reviewing a bunch of resumes today and it reminded me of this thread.
  • In 2023, DO NOT list your 3 month internship from the summer of 1992.
I don't care what you did or who you did it for, it was over 31 years ago and you only did it for 3 months.

I'm not going to list the summer I spent working highway construction or all the hours I spent in the Pharmacy at Eckerd Drugs. Nobody is asking me to pour concrete or stock baby diapers on the top shelf.

All that really shows me on your resume is, you don't care enough about your written work to clean up your resume.

These days, you can really get away with just the past 10-20 years of relevant experience.
  • Make sure your damn links work
If you're including a link to your LinkedIn profile, don't expect me to click on the word LinkedIn and have it work after you've PDF'd it and submitted it via the company job application portal.

A better way to do it is to just paste your vanity URL into your resume so if I have to type it (copy/paste) it, I can.

Same goes for any other links you might include. Spell out www.dell.com or army.mil or whatever.
  • Provide some idea of where you are physically located
If you have a +91 India phone number, I assume you're in India and I'm rejecting you from my US based job.

If you say that you're working for The State of California (Remote) let me know if you're living anywhere in California NorCal, SoCal, or if you've really moved to Arizona.

I've learned to accept that nobody changes their phone number and nobody bothers to get a fake Google Voice number anymore. So 215 might be a Philadelphia area code but the person might be in San Diego or the guy with a 678 Atlanta cell phone might actually be in San Francisco.

What I'm mainly looking for is time zone fit so you don't need to tell me that you're in Lynchburg, VA, but, at least let me know that you're in Virginia, US Eastern Time. I can drill down on if you're in commuting distance to D.C. after that.

And for some of the new overlaid area codes, it's even more difficult to decipher.
Obviously Dallas has been 214/972/469 for 20 years but now there's a new 945 area code.
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Out of curiosity- what are you hiring for? (Not for me). I know someone in Georgia with decades in IT looking for a remote position (was recently laid off). He's not an Ag.
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HollywoodBQ, have you come across instances where people call or reject someone based on race? Sex? Orientation? Now I think race is illegal, but I am sure it happens and cannot be conclusively proven either.
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HollywoodBQ said:

I'm reviewing a bunch of resumes today and it reminded me of this thread.
  • In 2023, DO NOT list your 3 month internship from the summer of 1992.
I don't care what you did or who you did it for, it was over 31 years ago and you only did it for 3 months.

I'm not going to list the summer I spent working highway construction or all the hours I spent in the Pharmacy at Eckerd Drugs. Nobody is asking me to pour concrete or stock baby diapers on the top shelf.

All that really shows me on your resume is, you don't care enough about your written work to clean up your resume.

These days, you can really get away with just the past 10-20 years of relevant experience.
  • Make sure your damn links work
If you're including a link to your LinkedIn profile, don't expect me to click on the word LinkedIn and have it work after you've PDF'd it and submitted it via the company job application portal.

A better way to do it is to just paste your vanity URL into your resume so if I have to type it (copy/paste) it, I can.

Same goes for any other links you might include. Spell out www.dell.com or army.mil or whatever.
  • Provide some idea of where you are physically located
If you have a +91 India phone number, I assume you're in India and I'm rejecting you from my US based job.

If you say that you're working for The State of California (Remote) let me know if you're living anywhere in California NorCal, SoCal, or if you've really moved to Arizona.

I've learned to accept that nobody changes their phone number and nobody bothers to get a fake Google Voice number anymore. So 215 might be a Philadelphia area code but the person might be in San Diego or the guy with a 678 Atlanta cell phone might actually be in San Francisco.

What I'm mainly looking for is time zone fit so you don't need to tell me that you're in Lynchburg, VA, but, at least let me know that you're in Virginia, US Eastern Time. I can drill down on if you're in commuting distance to D.C. after that.

And for some of the new overlaid area codes, it's even more difficult to decipher.
Obviously Dallas has been 214/972/469 for 20 years but now there's a new 945 area code.
Always I've proceeded with a candidate's resume, absent that geo-locate-info, presuming that if they're applying for my opportunity then they know where the opportunity is. How they get there, and from where, concerns me not. If you're hired, show up.
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histag10 said:

Out of curiosity- what are you hiring for? (Not for me). I know someone in Georgia with decades in IT looking for a remote position (was recently laid off). He's not an Ag.
Always good to be looking out for friends.

I'm looking for somebody in a specific foreign country right now.

Generally what I'm looking for is somebody who is a great IT Systems Administrator who can do everything from put servers/storage in a rack, run cables, install and configure the operating system, configure applications on top of the OS and of course somebody who can interface with customers (network people, DBAs, etc.), Project Managers, and ... has some ability to travel anywhere that those skills are needed.

There's another role I have more intermittently that requires similar skills but is fixed to a customer office location (thus my earlier rant about geography). So recently, I needed people in locations such as Seattle, Detroit, Minneapolis, New Jersey.

I have been begging my management to let me hire fresh college grads and train them but I have not been successful with selling that strategy so we continue to hire people with 15-25 years experience because they're the only ones who can get past the gatekeeper on my interview panel. And then the gatekeeper's enabler complains about the cost of hiring these people.
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infinity ag said:

HollywoodBQ, have you come across instances where people call or reject someone based on race? Sex? Orientation? Now I think race is illegal, but I am sure it happens and cannot be conclusively proven either.
Not directly. I can tell you that I have a majorly misogynistic tool who is involved with my hiring process and makes it so difficult to hire a female that almost none make it through. I've been able to hire 4 females but it was over his strong objections. His objections were so ridiculous that I actually took a couple screen shots to share with HR as a reason why I don't want him in my interview panel. All 4 of those females have been excellent hires.

As far as sexual orientation, nobody in my line of work is outwardly homosexual. And when I say nobody, I mean that out of 2,000 people who have come through my training classes or who I've worked with in a large organization, I know of 1 T person, 1 over the top Bear and 2 lesbians. And all of them were really good at their job. The 2 Ls were tomboy types. The T person was unbearable to work with but very competent. The Bear was first rate talent and kept work very professional but is out of his mind on FB and Twitter/X. As much TDS as you could possibly imagine and he's not even American.

I have worked with a lot of Indians and hired a good number. I can't say that I've observed active discrimination but I will say that Indians won't help their countrymen in the same way that Japanese, Filipinos, Koreans, etc. will. But, Indians will help their friends. If you have an open job req and an Indian guy finds out about it, he's got at least 5 friends to refer to you who will be the greatest person for you to hire (especially if there's a $5,000 referral bonus attached).
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JamesPShelley said:

Always I've proceeded with a candidate's resume, absent that geo-locate-info, presuming that if they're applying for my opportunity then they know where the opportunity is. How they get there, and from where, concerns me not. If you're hired, show up.
I appreciate your sentiment however, that's not how it works in the 2020s.

Like many facets of work, just because something worked one way pre-2020 (before the War), doesn't mean that it still works like that today. No more than you can bring a bottle of Scotch in your carry-on like it was 2005 again. The way people work has changed.

They demand more concessions, want more money and don't really have the skills you're looking for anyway. It's bizarre. Frankly, hiring post 2020 is reminiscent of hiring during the death throes of the dot.com era in 1999.
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I just came back to this thread to add that I'm reviewing a resume referred by one of our employees for a role I've got open.

Top of this guy's resume after the BA and MS in some liberal arts garbage in the early 1990s from some college I never heard of was his certifications (this is impressive)
  • 1996 - Novell NetWare 4.1
  • 1998 - Novell NetWare 4.11
I almost couldn't stop laughing.

You're applying for an IT role and you lead with:
  • Irrelevant College Degree
  • Irrelevant Masters Degree
  • Certification from a defunct Operating System from 27+ years ago
  • Updated certification from same defunct OS from 25+ years ago
I don't know if I even want to read further to see the if the rest of your experience is relevant or useful.

Please have somebody look your resume over and ask you the hard questions.
  • Does this matter to the role you're applying for?
  • Does this have any relevance to the role you're applying for?
  • Is anybody going to be impressed by this information?
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Went ahead and read the resume to see if there was anything we could use.

The guy's resume is terrible but, would definitely go ahead and interview him as the experience might be useful.

But, he spent 250 words to cover the past 10 years of work.
Then, went on for 3 more pages to talk about stuff from the 1990s-2000s.

I thought I was going to die reading about SCSI disk chains which hasn't been a relevant technology since the early 1990s.
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Gotcha! Yeah, he is pretty attached to the north Georgia area, and I don't think him or his wife could be convinced to move. His goal is buying a place near the mountains and finding a WFH opportunity. It's my bio dad (I'm adopted), so I have kept an eye out for if I see something he might be qualified for.
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