Mathguy64 said:aggiebymarriage88 said:
I don't support banning property taxes but tax on weed and gambling would be a start.
Right. Weed and gambling will raise how many billions? Because property taxes in Texas raise on the order of $100 billion annually. That billion with a B.
Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:aggiebymarriage88 said:
I don't support banning property taxes but tax on weed and gambling would be a start.
Right. Weed and gambling will raise how many billions? Because property taxes in Texas raise on the order of $100 billion annually. That billion with a B.
You sound like someone who doesn't own property. Maybe they should raise the cost of the Boomer Retirement Community you live in!
Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:aggiebymarriage88 said:
I don't support banning property taxes but tax on weed and gambling would be a start.
Right. Weed and gambling will raise how many billions? Because property taxes in Texas raise on the order of $100 billion annually. That billion with a B.
You sound like someone who doesn't own property. Maybe they should raise the cost of the Boomer Retirement Community you live in!
I own mine free and clear.
Now feel free to propose how you replace all that money to all those entities.
txags92 said:
If I had my way on the whole pot legalization thing, it would be to legalize growing your own, but you can only smoke it in your own home. Transporting it elsewhere to smoke or doing it outdoors where your neighbors can smell it should be treated like party noise complaints. First time you get a warning, after that you get a misdemeanor ticket for stinking up the place. Other than that, edibles are legal to use wherever you want except while driving and sold with tax stamps on them, just like alcohol. Possession of any amount of bud and smoking paraphernalia outside of your own residence is Class A misdemeanor and over the amount for personal use is presumed intent to distribute and charged as a felony.
People will say "what about the homeless"? If they are homeless, they have more important things to be spending their money on than weed.
Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:aggiebymarriage88 said:
I don't support banning property taxes but tax on weed and gambling would be a start.
Right. Weed and gambling will raise how many billions? Because property taxes in Texas raise on the order of $100 billion annually. That billion with a B.
You sound like someone who doesn't own property. Maybe they should raise the cost of the Boomer Retirement Community you live in!
I own mine free and clear.
Now feel free to propose how you replace all that money to all those entities.
You don't own it free and clear…the State of Texas gets your payment every year. Stop making that payment and see how long you "own" it.
Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:aggiebymarriage88 said:
I don't support banning property taxes but tax on weed and gambling would be a start.
Right. Weed and gambling will raise how many billions? Because property taxes in Texas raise on the order of $100 billion annually. That billion with a B.
You sound like someone who doesn't own property. Maybe they should raise the cost of the Boomer Retirement Community you live in!
I own mine free and clear.
Now feel free to propose how you replace all that money to all those entities.
You don't own it free and clear…the State of Texas gets your payment every year. Stop making that payment and see how long you "own" it.
Right. And you don't own your bank account either. Stop paying income tax and see what the govt does with the money in it. In states that have a personal property tax on cars they confiscate your car for not paying. Or your bank account.
That "you rent your property from the state" argument is a straw man. Stop paying any tax and see what happens.
Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:aggiebymarriage88 said:
I don't support banning property taxes but tax on weed and gambling would be a start.
Right. Weed and gambling will raise how many billions? Because property taxes in Texas raise on the order of $100 billion annually. That billion with a B.
You sound like someone who doesn't own property. Maybe they should raise the cost of the Boomer Retirement Community you live in!
I own mine free and clear.
Now feel free to propose how you replace all that money to all those entities.
You don't own it free and clear…the State of Texas gets your payment every year. Stop making that payment and see how long you "own" it.
Right. And you don't own your bank account either. Stop paying income tax and see what the govt does with the money in it. In states that have a personal property tax on cars they confiscate your car for not paying. Or your bank account.
That "you rent your property from the state" argument is a straw man. Stop paying any tax and see what happens.
Unlike you, I'm against most taxes. I prefer less government and less free services for all the free loaders. I pay for myself, I expect you to do the same.
Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:aggiebymarriage88 said:
I don't support banning property taxes but tax on weed and gambling would be a start.
Right. Weed and gambling will raise how many billions? Because property taxes in Texas raise on the order of $100 billion annually. That billion with a B.
You sound like someone who doesn't own property. Maybe they should raise the cost of the Boomer Retirement Community you live in!
I own mine free and clear.
Now feel free to propose how you replace all that money to all those entities.
You don't own it free and clear…the State of Texas gets your payment every year. Stop making that payment and see how long you "own" it.
Right. And you don't own your bank account either. Stop paying income tax and see what the govt does with the money in it. In states that have a personal property tax on cars they confiscate your car for not paying. Or your bank account.
That "you rent your property from the state" argument is a straw man. Stop paying any tax and see what happens.
Unlike you, I'm against most taxes. I prefer less government and less free services for all the free loaders. I pay for myself, I expect you to do the same.
Right. No schools. No roads. No police. No hospitals. No jails.
You realize your taxes pay for that right? And in Texas it's sales tax and property tax that pays for that. So no taxes and no roads. No schools. No jails. No police. No pretty much everything that cities and counties provide.
Next time your road to your rented house that the state owns needs repair, make sure to tell the road crew to go home and not fix it. Water main break and no water at the home you rent from the state? Yeah feel free to boil it because you just told the city public works people not to fix it because you aren't paying for it. And oh by the way crap in the outhouse outside because sewer is a city or county service if you don't have a septic system. And if you do you pay to have it drained periodically. Kids in school? Nope. Home school them. And that means you stay home and teach them k-12. All day. Car wreck and need an ambulance? Nope. Not for you. Police to deal with the drunk or idiot that hit you? Negative ghost rider. House on fire? It's going to burn to the ground. Neighbors house on fire and it catches yours on fire? Burn baby burn.
The list is endless.
We get it. Nobody likes taxes. But they cover the cost of necessary services.
And nobody ever wants to admit that or find another way to pay for them.
Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:aggiebymarriage88 said:
I don't support banning property taxes but tax on weed and gambling would be a start.
Right. Weed and gambling will raise how many billions? Because property taxes in Texas raise on the order of $100 billion annually. That billion with a B.
You sound like someone who doesn't own property. Maybe they should raise the cost of the Boomer Retirement Community you live in!
I own mine free and clear.
Now feel free to propose how you replace all that money to all those entities.
You don't own it free and clear…the State of Texas gets your payment every year. Stop making that payment and see how long you "own" it.
Right. And you don't own your bank account either. Stop paying income tax and see what the govt does with the money in it. In states that have a personal property tax on cars they confiscate your car for not paying. Or your bank account.
That "you rent your property from the state" argument is a straw man. Stop paying any tax and see what happens.
Unlike you, I'm against most taxes. I prefer less government and less free services for all the free loaders. I pay for myself, I expect you to do the same.
Right. No schools. No roads. No police. No hospitals. No jails.
You realize your taxes pay for that right? And in Texas it's sales tax and property tax that pays for that. So no taxes and no roads. No schools. No jails. No police. No pretty much everything that cities and counties provide.
Next time your road to your rented house that the state owns needs repair, make sure to tell the road crew to go home and not fix it. Water main break and no water at the home you rent from the state? Yeah feel free to boil it because you just told the city public works people not to fix it because you aren't paying for it. And oh by the way crap in the outhouse outside because sewer is a city or county service if you don't have a septic system. And if you do you pay to have it drained periodically. Kids in school? Nope. Home school them. And that means you stay home and teach them k-12. All day. Car wreck and need an ambulance? Nope. Not for you. Police to deal with the drunk or idiot that hit you? Negative ghost rider. House on fire? It's going to burn to the ground. Neighbors house on fire and it catches yours on fire? Burn baby burn.
The list is endless.
We get it. Nobody likes taxes. But they cover the cost of necessary services.
And nobody ever wants to admit that or find another way to pay for them.
I OWN nearly 200 acres and three homes. Go **** yourself Boomer!
Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:aggiebymarriage88 said:
I don't support banning property taxes but tax on weed and gambling would be a start.
Right. Weed and gambling will raise how many billions? Because property taxes in Texas raise on the order of $100 billion annually. That billion with a B.
You sound like someone who doesn't own property. Maybe they should raise the cost of the Boomer Retirement Community you live in!
I own mine free and clear.
Now feel free to propose how you replace all that money to all those entities.
You don't own it free and clear…the State of Texas gets your payment every year. Stop making that payment and see how long you "own" it.
Right. And you don't own your bank account either. Stop paying income tax and see what the govt does with the money in it. In states that have a personal property tax on cars they confiscate your car for not paying. Or your bank account.
That "you rent your property from the state" argument is a straw man. Stop paying any tax and see what happens.
Unlike you, I'm against most taxes. I prefer less government and less free services for all the free loaders. I pay for myself, I expect you to do the same.
Right. No schools. No roads. No police. No hospitals. No jails.
You realize your taxes pay for that right? And in Texas it's sales tax and property tax that pays for that. So no taxes and no roads. No schools. No jails. No police. No pretty much everything that cities and counties provide.
Next time your road to your rented house that the state owns needs repair, make sure to tell the road crew to go home and not fix it. Water main break and no water at the home you rent from the state? Yeah feel free to boil it because you just told the city public works people not to fix it because you aren't paying for it. And oh by the way crap in the outhouse outside because sewer is a city or county service if you don't have a septic system. And if you do you pay to have it drained periodically. Kids in school? Nope. Home school them. And that means you stay home and teach them k-12. All day. Car wreck and need an ambulance? Nope. Not for you. Police to deal with the drunk or idiot that hit you? Negative ghost rider. House on fire? It's going to burn to the ground. Neighbors house on fire and it catches yours on fire? Burn baby burn.
The list is endless.
We get it. Nobody likes taxes. But they cover the cost of necessary services.
And nobody ever wants to admit that or find another way to pay for them.
I OWN nearly 200 acres and three homes. Go **** yourself Boomer!
Right. Call me a bad name. But refuse to answer the question. It's like arguing with a 3 year old.
I'm all for finding a solution to property taxes. You aren't. You just want to yell at clouds. You literally can't address the problem. You won't even admit it's a problem. Nice adult conversation.
I'm out.
Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:aggiebymarriage88 said:
I don't support banning property taxes but tax on weed and gambling would be a start.
Right. Weed and gambling will raise how many billions? Because property taxes in Texas raise on the order of $100 billion annually. That billion with a B.
You sound like someone who doesn't own property. Maybe they should raise the cost of the Boomer Retirement Community you live in!
I own mine free and clear.
Now feel free to propose how you replace all that money to all those entities.
You don't own it free and clear…the State of Texas gets your payment every year. Stop making that payment and see how long you "own" it.
Right. And you don't own your bank account either. Stop paying income tax and see what the govt does with the money in it. In states that have a personal property tax on cars they confiscate your car for not paying. Or your bank account.
That "you rent your property from the state" argument is a straw man. Stop paying any tax and see what happens.
Unlike you, I'm against most taxes. I prefer less government and less free services for all the free loaders. I pay for myself, I expect you to do the same.
Right. No schools. No roads. No police. No hospitals. No jails.
You realize your taxes pay for that right? And in Texas it's sales tax and property tax that pays for that. So no taxes and no roads. No schools. No jails. No police. No pretty much everything that cities and counties provide.
Next time your road to your rented house that the state owns needs repair, make sure to tell the road crew to go home and not fix it. Water main break and no water at the home you rent from the state? Yeah feel free to boil it because you just told the city public works people not to fix it because you aren't paying for it. And oh by the way crap in the outhouse outside because sewer is a city or county service if you don't have a septic system. And if you do you pay to have it drained periodically. Kids in school? Nope. Home school them. And that means you stay home and teach them k-12. All day. Car wreck and need an ambulance? Nope. Not for you. Police to deal with the drunk or idiot that hit you? Negative ghost rider. House on fire? It's going to burn to the ground. Neighbors house on fire and it catches yours on fire? Burn baby burn.
The list is endless.
We get it. Nobody likes taxes. But they cover the cost of necessary services.
And nobody ever wants to admit that or find another way to pay for them.
TA-OP said:Yes, we do. Dan Patrick showed us all the examples he wanted banned.IslanderAg04 said:Average Joe said:
We've literally had to deal with second hand cigarette smoke and 'functional' alcoholics my entire life, but one smell of skunky weed and it's the end of the world. It's funny how many lies about it were told to us in health class that were later debunked, and are still getting regurgitated by old people.
Weed is likely the only reason my dad is still alive. That's plenty of reason for me to not care if y'all have to smell it every so often.
You do realize there are other ways to get cbd/thc outside of smoking it right.
txags92 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:aggiebymarriage88 said:
I don't support banning property taxes but tax on weed and gambling would be a start.
Right. Weed and gambling will raise how many billions? Because property taxes in Texas raise on the order of $100 billion annually. That billion with a B.
You sound like someone who doesn't own property. Maybe they should raise the cost of the Boomer Retirement Community you live in!
I own mine free and clear.
Now feel free to propose how you replace all that money to all those entities.
You don't own it free and clear…the State of Texas gets your payment every year. Stop making that payment and see how long you "own" it.
Right. And you don't own your bank account either. Stop paying income tax and see what the govt does with the money in it. In states that have a personal property tax on cars they confiscate your car for not paying. Or your bank account.
That "you rent your property from the state" argument is a straw man. Stop paying any tax and see what happens.
Unlike you, I'm against most taxes. I prefer less government and less free services for all the free loaders. I pay for myself, I expect you to do the same.
Right. No schools. No roads. No police. No hospitals. No jails.
You realize your taxes pay for that right? And in Texas it's sales tax and property tax that pays for that. So no taxes and no roads. No schools. No jails. No police. No pretty much everything that cities and counties provide.
Next time your road to your rented house that the state owns needs repair, make sure to tell the road crew to go home and not fix it. Water main break and no water at the home you rent from the state? Yeah feel free to boil it because you just told the city public works people not to fix it because you aren't paying for it. And oh by the way crap in the outhouse outside because sewer is a city or county service if you don't have a septic system. And if you do you pay to have it drained periodically. Kids in school? Nope. Home school them. And that means you stay home and teach them k-12. All day. Car wreck and need an ambulance? Nope. Not for you. Police to deal with the drunk or idiot that hit you? Negative ghost rider. House on fire? It's going to burn to the ground. Neighbors house on fire and it catches yours on fire? Burn baby burn.
The list is endless.
We get it. Nobody likes taxes. But they cover the cost of necessary services.
And nobody ever wants to admit that or find another way to pay for them.
You are falling into the same trap the Ds always set when the Rs try to talk about cutting spending (which is rare enough these days by itself, but that is another thread). When somebody talks about cutting the size and scope of what government has control over and what it should be paying for, the Ds immediately start claiming that all the truly essential functions of government that you just named (plus a few others) are what the Rs plan to cut. There are way more things that government is involved in and paying for that could easily be cut without losing those essential functions of government.
Local governments should be focused on schools, water, sewer, garbage pickup, police, and local EMS/emergency care resources. Everything else should be on the chopping block. State governments could be pared way back from what they are now (and I say that as somebody whose wife is a state employee). The federal government could be literally half (or less) its current size and still fulfill all the critical functions that it should be performing in a limited government model. So many things that we waste billions of dollars on are things that the federal government should not even be involved in, much less overpaying for a bunch of fraud for it.
We need to get people back to the idea that the more power we give government over our everyday lives, the more it feels like life and death if your party doesn't win an election. If we gave government less power over us and got their grubby little fingers out of all of our pockets, life would be better for everybody.
Mathguy64 said:txags92 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:Rip*91 said:Mathguy64 said:aggiebymarriage88 said:
I don't support banning property taxes but tax on weed and gambling would be a start.
Right. Weed and gambling will raise how many billions? Because property taxes in Texas raise on the order of $100 billion annually. That billion with a B.
You sound like someone who doesn't own property. Maybe they should raise the cost of the Boomer Retirement Community you live in!
I own mine free and clear.
Now feel free to propose how you replace all that money to all those entities.
You don't own it free and clear…the State of Texas gets your payment every year. Stop making that payment and see how long you "own" it.
Right. And you don't own your bank account either. Stop paying income tax and see what the govt does with the money in it. In states that have a personal property tax on cars they confiscate your car for not paying. Or your bank account.
That "you rent your property from the state" argument is a straw man. Stop paying any tax and see what happens.
Unlike you, I'm against most taxes. I prefer less government and less free services for all the free loaders. I pay for myself, I expect you to do the same.
Right. No schools. No roads. No police. No hospitals. No jails.
You realize your taxes pay for that right? And in Texas it's sales tax and property tax that pays for that. So no taxes and no roads. No schools. No jails. No police. No pretty much everything that cities and counties provide.
Next time your road to your rented house that the state owns needs repair, make sure to tell the road crew to go home and not fix it. Water main break and no water at the home you rent from the state? Yeah feel free to boil it because you just told the city public works people not to fix it because you aren't paying for it. And oh by the way crap in the outhouse outside because sewer is a city or county service if you don't have a septic system. And if you do you pay to have it drained periodically. Kids in school? Nope. Home school them. And that means you stay home and teach them k-12. All day. Car wreck and need an ambulance? Nope. Not for you. Police to deal with the drunk or idiot that hit you? Negative ghost rider. House on fire? It's going to burn to the ground. Neighbors house on fire and it catches yours on fire? Burn baby burn.
The list is endless.
We get it. Nobody likes taxes. But they cover the cost of necessary services.
And nobody ever wants to admit that or find another way to pay for them.
You are falling into the same trap the Ds always set when the Rs try to talk about cutting spending (which is rare enough these days by itself, but that is another thread). When somebody talks about cutting the size and scope of what government has control over and what it should be paying for, the Ds immediately start claiming that all the truly essential functions of government that you just named (plus a few others) are what the Rs plan to cut. There are way more things that government is involved in and paying for that could easily be cut without losing those essential functions of government.
Local governments should be focused on schools, water, sewer, garbage pickup, police, and local EMS/emergency care resources. Everything else should be on the chopping block. State governments could be pared way back from what they are now (and I say that as somebody whose wife is a state employee). The federal government could be literally half (or less) its current size and still fulfill all the critical functions that it should be performing in a limited government model. So many things that we waste billions of dollars on are things that the federal government should not even be involved in, much less overpaying for a bunch of fraud for it.
We need to get people back to the idea that the more power we give government over our everyday lives, the more it feels like life and death if your party doesn't win an election. If we gave government less power over us and got their grubby little fingers out of all of our pockets, life would be better for everybody.
I dont disagree that government is a bloated bureaucracy, has fraud at every level and performs tasks it shouldnt perform. But there is a very long list of things at every level that must be done (and paid for somehow) at each level.
Those things cost money and thats what taxes do. They pay for those essential services. You dont want a property tax? Fine. Propose an alternative that generates the necessary income at each level (state, county, municipal, school, etc as there are others) to fund the necessary tasks at that level. Thats all I ask. Propose an alternative that works
Everyone wants to ***** about property taxes. No one wants to find an alternate funding mechanism. Yes you can lean it up either by removing duplication, removing the bloat/fraud or removing the unnecessary. But sooner or later you still have a long list of things needing to be funded.
Taxing weed aint going to do it. Its either a property tax of some kind, a sales tax/VAT/service tax of some kind or an income tax of some kind. And it needs to be self sufficient so that the county in the West Texas can cover its costs. And thats easier said than done because every County and district is different. And I am not sure we want the State Leg deciding who gets money every 2 years.
