GAC06 said:

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From that post:

"At this point, it appears that this series of incidents began with a round malfunctioning & doing damage that never could have been imagined let alone predicted or prevented. "

Having a gas well or pipeline under/near a live fire range is pretty shockingly negligent if that's actually what happened.

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An unbelievable series of Murphy's Laws strung together. Gustav's have a large number of ammo types but most are spin stabilized that work with the rifling. A few are fin stabilized though but if this was just a annual familiarization course, have a hard time understanding why more specialized ammo would be used instead of basic HE. Meaning it would be shocking hard for a normal spin type of round to do something like this but a fin type could go awry for sure. Not sure off top of head what the arming distance is of a Gustav round but to go beyond that and THEN go into the ground into a gas formation is Golden BB spectrum. Troops training nearby just another cherry on top.

Crazy chain of WTFs. Sounds like human errors mixed with general one in a million chances several times over. Not saying I don't believe it, I do, but damn, infantry always gets the short end of the stick in this universe I swear.

RIP to these poor Canucks.

Eliminatus said:

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GAC06 said:

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From that post:

"At this point, it appears that this series of incidents began with a round malfunctioning & doing damage that never could have been imagined let alone predicted or prevented. "

Having a gas well or pipeline under/near a live fire range is pretty shockingly negligent if that's actually what happened.

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An unbelievable series of Murphy's Laws strung together. Gustav's have a large number of ammo types but most are spin stabilized that work with the rifling. A few are fin stabilized though but if this was just a annual familiarization course, have a hard time understanding why more specialized ammo would be used instead of basic HE. Meaning it would be shocking hard for a normal spin type of round to do something like this but a fin type could go awry for sure. Not sure off top of head what the arming distance is of a Gustav round but to go beyond that and THEN go into the ground into a gas formation is Golden BB spectrum. Troops training nearby just another cherry on top.

Crazy chain of WTFs. Sounds like human errors mixed with general one in a million chances several times over. Not saying I don't believe it, I do, but damn, infantry always gets the short end of the stick in this universe I swear.

RIP to these poor Canucks.

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I mean they are the infantry, its apart of the deal.

I dont want to be the IO for this.;

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agent-maroon said:

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What is "dolphining" and why is there a gas well anywhere near live explosives?

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It flew as a dolphin swims... up and down and up and down...left and right and left and right.

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Interesting. I always heard it as a round impacting the ground/water and then something in the strata causes it curve back upward and emerge back into the air again. You see quite a bit with aerial practice bombs in the desert. Learned it was a thing in the water when I read it was a very compelling theory on how the HMS Hood was destroyed. A round from the Bismarck hit short but then dolphin'ed up into the magazine. hence bypassing the armor belt completely. Instead of plunging fire directly from overhead which was the common thought for decades. Guess this kind of thing happened enough to not be unheard of.

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What is "dolphining" and why is there a gas well anywhere near live explosives?

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I think what happened is it veered into a different training area. You arent going to have people in a kill house while shooting live rounds, unless it's very controlled.

But the fact there was a gas well near the kill house means there's a high chance the HE round was fired from Range A and then veered into Range B.

This report says it was an artillery shell that went astray.

🚨 UPDATE: Canadian Army Range Officer, Major Vijanyagar Singh, has confirmed that the artillery shell PFC Gupta fired was carried by the dry 70 mph winds to a natural gas well adjacent to the ammo depot, where 300 troops were being housed. https://t.co/tTfDY6SGxc

— Rick (@YesMavericks) October 18, 2026

bonfarr said:

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This report says it was an artillery shell that went astray.

🚨 UPDATE: Canadian Army Range Officer, Major Vijanyagar Singh, has confirmed that the artillery shell PFC Gupta fired was carried by the dry 70 mph winds to a natural gas well adjacent to the ammo depot, where 300 troops were being housed. https://t.co/tTfDY6SGxc

— Rick (@YesMavericks) October 18, 2026

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1) So a complete failure to accurately compensate for metrology and current conditionswhen calculating the targeting?

2) Again... WHY would there be ANY critical infrastructure within both the active fire range and whatever safety buffer (should) exist beyond the active range?

There should not be any critical infrastructure within the range of the weapons being used.

Rick / YesMavericks sounds like a completely reliable source. /sarcasm

That "report" doesn't even make sense. It's always these political rando twitter accounts with sub 5k followers that supposedly have all this quick information. Quick check and yeah, account is an actual racist **** stirrer.

Going to label this as "Highly Unlikely"

Actual quotes from the general in charge of the division the unit was attached too btw for those who want to know something official as of now.

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16:44
Rutland is asked about the mood at the army base.
He says most of the soldiers were from Edmonton and the incident has caused "a lot of stress and strain".
He is then asked about the protocol for operations at the base in high winds.
He says it is the military, "so we have protocol for everything".
He adds that a system is in place and the weather was well within standard procedure for most of the day.
Rutland says the fire was kilometres away when the wind shifted and it is "not normal" for a fire to move that quickly.

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When asked about the training, Maj-Gen Rutland says the infantry was preparing for two roles.
One was for a global response task force, which is ready to move within hours to any hot spot around the world.
The other was preparation for a deployment to Latvia in April and May.
"This was high-intensity combat training with live munitions," he says.
"They were throwing hand grenades on a hand grenade range and conducting what we call a section attack, 10 soldiers attacking a simulated enemy," he adds.

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Rutland also says that, while there are reports of explosions, "we do not believe this [incident] to be a result of any oil and gas infrastructure nor any outside interference".
He says the top priority is the care of soldiers and their families at this time, adding that the Canadian Armed Forces is providing support.
Rutland has also named the four army members who were killed. We will identify them and bring you their names shortly.
Rutland then opens the floor to questions from reporters.

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ETA: Source, https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cmx2877w8xwzt

That's in line with what very little I saw on YNt local news last night after football.

Off base wild fire that shifted into the facility

Kenneth_2003 said:

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That's in line with what very little I saw on YNt local news last night after football.

Off base wild fire that shifted into the facility

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Just from the photos I have seen, that terrain and vegetation looks gnarly for fast moving fires. Mixed with crazy winds out of nowhere, easy to see things getting out of hand quickly while a mass cas event is ongoing. Sounds like it is possible two separate events merging into one.

Anyone who has spent time in SoCal and in particular Camp Pendleton is extremely aware of the danger and speed these kind of wildfires can spawn. Saw it more than a few times and it was still always hard to believe every time.

ETA: Updated news from the presser.

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The people who were hurt were on a section attack range, not on a grenade range, Rutland says in response to a media question.
Asked whether they practise during high winds, Rutland says they do.
Part of the battalion has been moved out of the training area. The rest had a maintenance day on Sunday but will resume training soon, as they're still due to go to Latvia, he says.
It's unclear when that training will resume, Rutland says.
The news conference has now ended. We'll bring you a recap of what we've just heard soon.

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Rutland is asked for more details about how the fire spread.
He says soldiers were split between a section attack range and a grenade range on the military base when the fire was about a kilometre away.
He adds that the fire was "not expected" to move near the range, but later struck the administration area of the attack range.
Rutland is also asked if he can reassure people this won't happen again.
He says this was a "very uncommon" occurrence, and an investigation is under way to find out if it was preventable. That needs to play out so they can get answers.

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So looks like my earlier assumption is true. Two separate events merged into one and became one giant mess. Because dealing with a catastrophic mass cas event with multiple deaths isn't already bad enough...

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to a natural gas well adjacent to the ammo depot, where 300 troops were being housed.

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Everything about this sentence is just stunning negligence

Sounds like bull**** to me.