The tide is turning regarding fraud

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So when can we expect arrests, trials and imprisonment? Until then, STFU. I'm sick and tired of hearing about all the illegal **** going on (which we all know) and nothing happening about it.
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infinity ag said:

Highway6 said:

Why is nobody going to prison?


That is the key thing. To send people to prison. Jail. Gaol. Lockup.

Merely fining them does nothing. This is just the cost of doing business for them.

The IG D'Esposito keeps talking about handcuffs on twitter. I haven't seen even one CEO go to jail yet.

you're routine is getting old, please go away of post something new once in a while.
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It'd be interesting to know if fraud as a % of the federal spending has changed much over time . I wouldn't be shocked if it's in a fairly close range year over year which is imo a very good reason among many to limit the fed spending to what the Constitution enumerates.
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halfastros81 said:

It'd be interesting to know if fraud as a % of the federal spending has changed much over time . I wouldn't be shocked if it's in a fairly close range year over year which is imo a very good reason among many to limit the fed spending to what the Constitution enumerates.


Good point.

Fraud needs to be quantified if it has to be eliminated. And knowing % of GDP is a good measure.

However, if everything Trump wants to do needs to be signed off by Congress (which is a corrupt group of people) then the country and we are completely screwed.
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Sq 17
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Do you think Trump is interested in rooting out fraud or punishing political adversaries?

I will hang up and listen
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What does this have to do with anything?

Stop derailing the thread with non sequiturs. Every single president pardons people. Its completely irrelevant to whether or not the DOJ is capable of investigating and prosecuting fraud.
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I should have become a fraudster… I probably would have a hell of a lot more money.
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Dallas82 said:

Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:

Health care fraud

Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.

Securities, bank, and investment fraud

Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.

Totals

Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraud




Let's also consider how much Trump has enriched himself and his family and all of the insider trading going on before administrative announcements are made. This administration doesn't care about fraud.
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t_J_e_C_x said:

Dallas82 said:

Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:

Health care fraud

Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.

Securities, bank, and investment fraud

Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.

Totals

Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraud




Let's also consider how much Trump has enriched himself and his family and all of the insider trading going on before administrative announcements are made. This administration doesn't care about fraud.


C/O 2013 - Company E2
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infinity ag said:

Ag87H2O said:

Bring back DOGE. Root this crap out and start prosecuting people. Everyone but the left would applaud it.


DOGE was a good idea but they did crappy execution. I thought Elon would do a better job, he behaved like a frat boy.

Vivek Ramaswamy would have done better but Elon pushed him out.


What was crappy about the execution?
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Sounds like we need someone to drain the swamp.

Instead we got commit fraud - get caught for fraud - tithe fraud proceeds to MAGA inc - get pardoned - seek next fraudulent venture.
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Dallas82 said:

Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:

Health care fraud

Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.

Securities, bank, and investment fraud

Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.

Totals

Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraud

Look who got their talking points.
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t_J_e_C_x said:

t_J_e_C_x said:

Dallas82 said:

Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:

Health care fraud

Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.

Securities, bank, and investment fraud

Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.

Totals

Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraud




Let's also consider how much Trump has enriched himself and his family and all of the insider trading going on before administrative announcements are made. This administration doesn't care about fraud.





Now do the Clinton Foundation.

You guys are such hypocrites.
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deddog said:

infinity ag said:

Ag87H2O said:

Bring back DOGE. Root this crap out and start prosecuting people. Everyone but the left would applaud it.


DOGE was a good idea but they did crappy execution. I thought Elon would do a better job, he behaved like a frat boy.

Vivek Ramaswamy would have done better but Elon pushed him out.


What was crappy about the execution?

Reddit and the MSM said so
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t_J_e_C_x said:

t_J_e_C_x said:

Dallas82 said:

Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:

Health care fraud

Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.

Securities, bank, and investment fraud

Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.

Totals

Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraud




Let's also consider how much Trump has enriched himself and his family and all of the insider trading going on before administrative announcements are made. This administration doesn't care about fraud.




We dont care, we just want Democrats ground to dust. You hibernated while Biden and Obama corruption abounded.
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agracer said:

infinity ag said:

Highway6 said:

Why is nobody going to prison?


That is the key thing. To send people to prison. Jail. Gaol. Lockup.

Merely fining them does nothing. This is just the cost of doing business for them.

The IG D'Esposito keeps talking about handcuffs on twitter. I haven't seen even one CEO go to jail yet.

you're routine is getting old, please go away of post something new once in a while.


I agree. But you have to just ignore him. He's the poster child for TA F16 annoyances.

Thinks he's smarter and more clever than anyone else. Definitely on the spectrum to some degree. And about as condescending as it gets.

But he thrives off his own ego. So best to just let losers do them and ignore.
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Sq 17 said:

Do you think Trump is interested in rooting out fraud or punishing political adversaries?

I will hang up and listen

Does it matter if they are one in the same ? Remember, no one is above the law
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Owlagdad said:

Mid terms need to shake out where Trump cannot be tied up with impeachment fakes, and let his folks get turned loose on criminals inside our government- both republicans and democrats.
Don't care if they go to country club fed penitentiary, they need to go.
They will need to make sure the Trump family is not involved before they look too hard.
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Dallas82 said:

Bull Meachem said:

Dallas82 said:

Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:

Health care fraud

Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.

Securities, bank, and investment fraud

Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.

Totals

Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraud

How accurate is this information?


Look it up. Or better yet, let's ask Grok.
" Please list all people arrested for fraud that Trump has pardoned or commuted. List the amount they stole and how much of what they were supposed to refund was forgiven by Trump."

Notable individuals (and some related entities) granted pardons or commutations by President Trump (primarily second term, with some first-term overlap) for fraud-related federal offenses, based on court records, DOJ clemency data, and reporting. "Amount stolen" refers to scheme losses, investor damages, or false claims as described by prosecutors/courts; "restitution/forfeiture forgiven" refers to court-ordered amounts the clemency relieved them of paying further (or that were remitted). Exact figures vary slightly by source due to amendments, pending orders, or partial prior payments; clemency often explicitly waived further restitution/fines.

Major second-term examples (fraud/securities/wire/bank/tax/healthcare-related)
Trevor Milton (Nikola founder): Securities fraud and wire fraud (false/misleading statements to investors). Prosecutors sought ~$660-$680 million restitution to shareholders (plus related claims); sentenced to 4 years. Full pardon (March 2025) ended the restitution process/proceedings.
Jason Galanis: Securities fraud / investment adviser fraud (including tribal bond scheme defrauding Oglala Sioux and pension funds). Ordered ~$37-$85+ million restitution (reports cite ~$80-$84.8 million in one case context; combined figures higher with forfeiture). Commutation (March 2025) relieved further restitution.
Devon Archer: Role in securities/fraud scheme targeting pension funds and Native American tribal entity (related to bond fraud). Ordered nearly $60 million in forfeiture/restitution. Pardon relieved the obligation.
Carlos Watson / Ozy Media: Securities and wire fraud conspiracy (defrauding investors). Assessed ~$37 million restitution (company penalties higher, ~$97 million in some reports). Commutation relieved further payments.
Todd and Julie Chrisley: Bank fraud, tax evasion, wire fraud, conspiracy (false documents for >$30-$36 million in loans; tax issues). Ordered ~$17.8-$22+ million combined restitution. Full pardons (May 2025) waived remaining obligations.
Paul Walczak: Willful failure to pay trust fund taxes (withheld employee payroll taxes, personal spending including yacht). Ordered ~$4.4 million restitution. Pardon (2025) after family donation context; no further restitution.
Lawrence S. Duran: Healthcare fraud (Medicare false claims scheme; ~$200+ million false claims context, ~$87.5 million restitution ordered). Commutation/clemency relieved further restitution (first- and second-term references).
George Santos: Wire fraud and aggravated identity theft (campaign donor/credit card schemes, etc.). Ordered ~$373,750 restitution (+ ~$205,000 forfeiture). Commutation to time served (October 2025) with explicit "no further… restitution." He had paid little/none.
Adriana Isabel and Andres Enrique Camberos: Wire/mail fraud conspiracy (counterfeit 5-Hour Energy scheme). Ordered ~$49 million restitution (+ forfeiture). Pardons/commutations relieved the amounts.
David Gentile (GPB Capital): Securities/wire fraud conspiracy (~$11.6 billion scheme defrauding thousands of investors via misrepresentations). Commutation (November 2025, after brief prison time); related forfeiture ~$15.5 million context; receiver funds noted separately for potential investor distribution.
Marian I. Morgan: Wire fraud, money laundering, etc. (~$20 million restitution ordered in some reports). Clemency referenced in lists.
Other notable related cases
Ross Ulbricht (Silk Road): Primarily drug trafficking/continuing criminal enterprise/money laundering (marketplace facilitated illegal sales), with fraud-related elements in some descriptions. Ordered ~$184 million restitution/forfeiture. Full pardon (January 2025) relieved it.
Companies/entities (e.g., HDR Global Trading/BitMEX executives): Bank Secrecy Act/anti-money laundering violations; $100 million fine context (and related). Pardons wiped significant penalties.
First-term examples with fraud elements include cases like Philip Esformes (healthcare fraud, some restitution left in place in commutation), Sholom Rubashkin (bank/wire fraud), and others, but second-term white-collar volume is higher per analyses.



Oh, darn. It's like this administration isn't doing anything about fraud. <dismissive wanking motion in your general direction>.
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jagged said:

Sounds like we need someone to drain the swamp.

Instead we got commit fraud - get caught for fraud - tithe fraud proceeds to MAGA inc - get pardoned - seek next fraudulent venture.

Are you a new poster? There was a lot of fraud going on when the autopen was doing all the work in the Oval Office. I don't recall your posts.
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Cool. Stating what everyone already knows. Now do something about it
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Highway6 said:

Why is nobody going to prison?


It's by design.

The fraud could easily be stopped with better ID, income, and business verification depending on the fraud. But that politicians know it would reduce fraud and so they call any kind of fraud prevention measures racism.
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Canvasback said:

Owlagdad said:

Mid terms need to shake out where Trump cannot be tied up with impeachment fakes, and let his folks get turned loose on criminals inside our government- both republicans and democrats.
Don't care if they go to country club fed penitentiary, they need to go.
They will need to make sure the Trump family is not involved before they look too hard.


Wow, good one there. You sure got it nailed.
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Jack Boyette said:

Dallas82 said:

Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:

Health care fraud

Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.

Securities, bank, and investment fraud

Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.

Totals

Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraud

Look who got their talking points.


All this lib's recent posts have been AI generated garbage.
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P.H. Dexippus said:

Ag87H2O said:

Bring back DOGE. Root this crap out and start prosecuting people. Everyone but the left would applaud it.

Why did it ever go away?


Because democrats haven't been declared an enemy of the state yet.
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deddog said:

infinity ag said:

Ag87H2O said:

Bring back DOGE. Root this crap out and start prosecuting people. Everyone but the left would applaud it.


DOGE was a good idea but they did crappy execution. I thought Elon would do a better job, he behaved like a frat boy.

Vivek Ramaswamy would have done better but Elon pushed him out.


What was crappy about the execution?


Musk did not plan things out. He'd send instructions without thinking it through, came up with a list and then fired a bunch of people without getting consent from other department heads.

He is an idiot. He doesn't own the government like he does his companies.
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Bravo. You've done an excellent job of demos the government should have never been allowed to get this big and powerful. Now if we can just connect the dots between this and how to fix it. Neither party wants to shrink government but only one is running on a platform of complete government takeover. Do you think voting for that party is going to reduce the opportunity for fraud?
"The goal of socialism is communism." - Vladimir Lenin
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Somalian pirates thee
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I don't think even the most informed conservatives had any idea how bad the fraud actually is. God bless Nick Shirley, Elon Musk, Trump and the rest who have started to wake us up.
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infinity ag said:

halfastros81 said:

It'd be interesting to know if fraud as a % of the federal spending has changed much over time . I wouldn't be shocked if it's in a fairly close range year over year which is imo a very good reason among many to limit the fed spending to what the Constitution enumerates.


Good point.

Fraud needs to be quantified if it has to be eliminated. And knowing % of GDP is a good measure.

However, if everything Trump wants to do needs to be signed off by Congress (which is a corrupt group of people) then the country and we are completely screwed.

Maybe a good start would be to define fraud. Unfortunately, the conservative definition and the liberal definition are at least 180% away from each other. Our government is based on defrauding the people. Once its operation surpassed the functions outlined in the Constitution, the federal government was defrauding the people
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t_J_e_C_x said:

Dallas82 said:

Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:

Health care fraud

Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.

Securities, bank, and investment fraud

Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.

Totals

Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraud




Let's also consider how much Trump has enriched himself and his family and all of the insider trading going on before administrative announcements are made. This administration doesn't care about fraud.

USAID?
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Do you have proof of the insider trading? Proof not tweets from random people taking things out of context. Real proof and honestly I don't care if any politician gets rich. Hate the game not the players. I do care my tax money is getting given away to the losers of society. As one of the ones propping up the moochers who pay no income tax it pisses me off.
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Eliminatus said:

Red Fishing Ag93 said:

Highway6 said:

Why is nobody going to prison?

They kill you if you go after them. Elon and Sen Tillis have said it out loud.

Interesting. You are not the first hard right person on this site I have seen say this very recently. Guess the talking points are out.

Also, BS. "They" are not going to be killing everyone. Don't be ridiculous. If this is as widespread as we are being told to believe, there is plenty of people to take down. Plenty that aren't "protected" or whatever it is you think it is. There should be a line of criminals being fast tracked into prison if even half of this stuff is true and it should have started weeks at the most after Trump took office in '24.


Ridiculous?
Who mentioned killing everyone???
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Getting rid of fraud: good
Knowing that once they find it they'll just spend the "new found" money on something else instead of balancing the budget or attacking the debt: bad
 
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