infinity ag said:Highway6 said:
Why is nobody going to prison?
That is the key thing. To send people to prison. Jail. Gaol. Lockup.
Merely fining them does nothing. This is just the cost of doing business for them.
The IG D'Esposito keeps talking about handcuffs on twitter. I haven't seen even one CEO go to jail yet.
halfastros81 said:
It'd be interesting to know if fraud as a % of the federal spending has changed much over time . I wouldn't be shocked if it's in a fairly close range year over year which is imo a very good reason among many to limit the fed spending to what the Constitution enumerates.
Dallas82 said:
Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:
Health care fraud
Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.
Securities, bank, and investment fraud
Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.
Totals
Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraud
BREAKING: Companies whose federal cases were dropped under Trump have given or pledged $210.5 million to his super PACs, per a new Public Citizen report.
— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) October 16, 2026
Crypto,com: $37 million, after the SEC dropped an investigation
Gemini: $20 million, plus $10 million each from founders…
t_J_e_C_x said:Dallas82 said:
Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:
Health care fraud
Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.
Securities, bank, and investment fraud
Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.
Totals
Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraudBREAKING: Companies whose federal cases were dropped under Trump have given or pledged $210.5 million to his super PACs, per a new Public Citizen report.
— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) October 16, 2026
Crypto,com: $37 million, after the SEC dropped an investigation
Gemini: $20 million, plus $10 million each from founders…
Let's also consider how much Trump has enriched himself and his family and all of the insider trading going on before administrative announcements are made. This administration doesn't care about fraud.
Stop what you are doing because you need to read this.
— Rep. Mike Levin (@RepMikeLevin) October 15, 2026
Billions of dollars in oil trades were perfectly timed to Trump’s decision to back off attacking Iranian power plants.
Trump announced the reversal just 15 minutes after those trades were placed. Stocks surged while oil… https://t.co/NQMu3OLhTU
infinity ag said:Ag87H2O said:
Bring back DOGE. Root this crap out and start prosecuting people. Everyone but the left would applaud it.
DOGE was a good idea but they did crappy execution. I thought Elon would do a better job, he behaved like a frat boy.
Vivek Ramaswamy would have done better but Elon pushed him out.
Dallas82 said:
Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:
Health care fraud
Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.
Securities, bank, and investment fraud
Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.
Totals
Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraud
t_J_e_C_x said:t_J_e_C_x said:Dallas82 said:
Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:
Health care fraud
Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.
Securities, bank, and investment fraud
Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.
Totals
Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraudBREAKING: Companies whose federal cases were dropped under Trump have given or pledged $210.5 million to his super PACs, per a new Public Citizen report.
— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) October 16, 2026
Crypto,com: $37 million, after the SEC dropped an investigation
Gemini: $20 million, plus $10 million each from founders…
Let's also consider how much Trump has enriched himself and his family and all of the insider trading going on before administrative announcements are made. This administration doesn't care about fraud.Stop what you are doing because you need to read this.
— Rep. Mike Levin (@RepMikeLevin) October 15, 2026
Billions of dollars in oil trades were perfectly timed to Trump’s decision to back off attacking Iranian power plants.
Trump announced the reversal just 15 minutes after those trades were placed. Stocks surged while oil… https://t.co/NQMu3OLhTU
deddog said:infinity ag said:Ag87H2O said:
Bring back DOGE. Root this crap out and start prosecuting people. Everyone but the left would applaud it.
DOGE was a good idea but they did crappy execution. I thought Elon would do a better job, he behaved like a frat boy.
Vivek Ramaswamy would have done better but Elon pushed him out.
What was crappy about the execution?
t_J_e_C_x said:t_J_e_C_x said:Dallas82 said:
Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:
Health care fraud
Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.
Securities, bank, and investment fraud
Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.
Totals
Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraud
Let's also consider how much Trump has enriched himself and his family and all of the insider trading going on before administrative announcements are made. This administration doesn't care about fraud.
agracer said:infinity ag said:Highway6 said:
Why is nobody going to prison?
That is the key thing. To send people to prison. Jail. Gaol. Lockup.
Merely fining them does nothing. This is just the cost of doing business for them.
The IG D'Esposito keeps talking about handcuffs on twitter. I haven't seen even one CEO go to jail yet.
you're routine is getting old, please go away of post something new once in a while.
Sq 17 said:
Do you think Trump is interested in rooting out fraud or punishing political adversaries?
I will hang up and listen
They will need to make sure the Trump family is not involved before they look too hard.Owlagdad said:
Mid terms need to shake out where Trump cannot be tied up with impeachment fakes, and let his folks get turned loose on criminals inside our government- both republicans and democrats.
Don't care if they go to country club fed penitentiary, they need to go.
Dallas82 said:Bull Meachem said:Dallas82 said:
Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:
Health care fraud
Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.
Securities, bank, and investment fraud
Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.
Totals
Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraud
How accurate is this information?
Look it up. Or better yet, let's ask Grok.
" Please list all people arrested for fraud that Trump has pardoned or commuted. List the amount they stole and how much of what they were supposed to refund was forgiven by Trump."
Notable individuals (and some related entities) granted pardons or commutations by President Trump (primarily second term, with some first-term overlap) for fraud-related federal offenses, based on court records, DOJ clemency data, and reporting. "Amount stolen" refers to scheme losses, investor damages, or false claims as described by prosecutors/courts; "restitution/forfeiture forgiven" refers to court-ordered amounts the clemency relieved them of paying further (or that were remitted). Exact figures vary slightly by source due to amendments, pending orders, or partial prior payments; clemency often explicitly waived further restitution/fines.
Major second-term examples (fraud/securities/wire/bank/tax/healthcare-related)
Trevor Milton (Nikola founder): Securities fraud and wire fraud (false/misleading statements to investors). Prosecutors sought ~$660-$680 million restitution to shareholders (plus related claims); sentenced to 4 years. Full pardon (March 2025) ended the restitution process/proceedings.
Jason Galanis: Securities fraud / investment adviser fraud (including tribal bond scheme defrauding Oglala Sioux and pension funds). Ordered ~$37-$85+ million restitution (reports cite ~$80-$84.8 million in one case context; combined figures higher with forfeiture). Commutation (March 2025) relieved further restitution.
Devon Archer: Role in securities/fraud scheme targeting pension funds and Native American tribal entity (related to bond fraud). Ordered nearly $60 million in forfeiture/restitution. Pardon relieved the obligation.
Carlos Watson / Ozy Media: Securities and wire fraud conspiracy (defrauding investors). Assessed ~$37 million restitution (company penalties higher, ~$97 million in some reports). Commutation relieved further payments.
Todd and Julie Chrisley: Bank fraud, tax evasion, wire fraud, conspiracy (false documents for >$30-$36 million in loans; tax issues). Ordered ~$17.8-$22+ million combined restitution. Full pardons (May 2025) waived remaining obligations.
Paul Walczak: Willful failure to pay trust fund taxes (withheld employee payroll taxes, personal spending including yacht). Ordered ~$4.4 million restitution. Pardon (2025) after family donation context; no further restitution.
Lawrence S. Duran: Healthcare fraud (Medicare false claims scheme; ~$200+ million false claims context, ~$87.5 million restitution ordered). Commutation/clemency relieved further restitution (first- and second-term references).
George Santos: Wire fraud and aggravated identity theft (campaign donor/credit card schemes, etc.). Ordered ~$373,750 restitution (+ ~$205,000 forfeiture). Commutation to time served (October 2025) with explicit "no further… restitution." He had paid little/none.
Adriana Isabel and Andres Enrique Camberos: Wire/mail fraud conspiracy (counterfeit 5-Hour Energy scheme). Ordered ~$49 million restitution (+ forfeiture). Pardons/commutations relieved the amounts.
David Gentile (GPB Capital): Securities/wire fraud conspiracy (~$11.6 billion scheme defrauding thousands of investors via misrepresentations). Commutation (November 2025, after brief prison time); related forfeiture ~$15.5 million context; receiver funds noted separately for potential investor distribution.
Marian I. Morgan: Wire fraud, money laundering, etc. (~$20 million restitution ordered in some reports). Clemency referenced in lists.
Other notable related cases
Ross Ulbricht (Silk Road): Primarily drug trafficking/continuing criminal enterprise/money laundering (marketplace facilitated illegal sales), with fraud-related elements in some descriptions. Ordered ~$184 million restitution/forfeiture. Full pardon (January 2025) relieved it.
Companies/entities (e.g., HDR Global Trading/BitMEX executives): Bank Secrecy Act/anti-money laundering violations; $100 million fine context (and related). Pardons wiped significant penalties.
First-term examples with fraud elements include cases like Philip Esformes (healthcare fraud, some restitution left in place in commutation), Sholom Rubashkin (bank/wire fraud), and others, but second-term white-collar volume is higher per analyses.
Are you a new poster? There was a lot of fraud going on when the autopen was doing all the work in the Oval Office. I don't recall your posts.jagged said:
Sounds like we need someone to drain the swamp.
Instead we got commit fraud - get caught for fraud - tithe fraud proceeds to MAGA inc - get pardoned - seek next fraudulent venture.
Highway6 said:
Why is nobody going to prison?
Canvasback said:They will need to make sure the Trump family is not involved before they look too hard.Owlagdad said:
Mid terms need to shake out where Trump cannot be tied up with impeachment fakes, and let his folks get turned loose on criminals inside our government- both republicans and democrats.
Don't care if they go to country club fed penitentiary, they need to go.
Jack Boyette said:Dallas82 said:
Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:
Health care fraud
Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.
Securities, bank, and investment fraud
Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.
Totals
Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraud
Look who got their talking points.
P.H. Dexippus said:Ag87H2O said:
Bring back DOGE. Root this crap out and start prosecuting people. Everyone but the left would applaud it.
Why did it ever go away?
deddog said:infinity ag said:Ag87H2O said:
Bring back DOGE. Root this crap out and start prosecuting people. Everyone but the left would applaud it.
DOGE was a good idea but they did crappy execution. I thought Elon would do a better job, he behaved like a frat boy.
Vivek Ramaswamy would have done better but Elon pushed him out.
What was crappy about the execution?
infinity ag said:halfastros81 said:
It'd be interesting to know if fraud as a % of the federal spending has changed much over time . I wouldn't be shocked if it's in a fairly close range year over year which is imo a very good reason among many to limit the fed spending to what the Constitution enumerates.
Good point.
Fraud needs to be quantified if it has to be eliminated. And knowing % of GDP is a good measure.
However, if everything Trump wants to do needs to be signed off by Congress (which is a corrupt group of people) then the country and we are completely screwed.
t_J_e_C_x said:Dallas82 said:
Spare me. This administration doesn't care one bit about fraud. How do we know that? Trump keeps setting fraudsters free and absolving them of having to repay what they stole. This isn't even a complete list from his two terms:
Health care fraud
Philip Esformes (commuted): the Justice Department described his case as roughly $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
Judith Negron (commuted): linked to a case of roughly $200 million.
Salomon Melgen (clemency): about $42 million.
Joseph Schwartz (pardoned): about $38-39 million. One source calls it tax fraud, another a nursing-home fraud.
Securities, bank, and investment fraud
Jason Galanis (commuted): defrauded the Oglala Sioux Nation of $60 million. Another source lists $43.4 million in restitution.
Todd and Julie Chrisley (pardoned): $17.3 million and $4.7 million in restitution, respectively.
Carlos Watson (commuted): $36.8 million in restitution.
Adriana and Andres Camberos (pardoned): $50 million in restitution and $30 million in forfeiture.
David Gentile (commuted): a $15.5 million forfeiture was wiped out.
Charles Scott (pardoned): $500,000 in restitution.
Totals
Former pardon attorney Liz Oyer calculated that Trump's second-term pardons have forgiven over $1.5 billion in criminal fraudBREAKING: Companies whose federal cases were dropped under Trump have given or pledged $210.5 million to his super PACs, per a new Public Citizen report.
— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) October 16, 2026
Crypto,com: $37 million, after the SEC dropped an investigation
Gemini: $20 million, plus $10 million each from founders…
Let's also consider how much Trump has enriched himself and his family and all of the insider trading going on before administrative announcements are made. This administration doesn't care about fraud.
Eliminatus said:Red Fishing Ag93 said:Highway6 said:
Why is nobody going to prison?
They kill you if you go after them. Elon and Sen Tillis have said it out loud.
Interesting. You are not the first hard right person on this site I have seen say this very recently. Guess the talking points are out.
Also, BS. "They" are not going to be killing everyone. Don't be ridiculous. If this is as widespread as we are being told to believe, there is plenty of people to take down. Plenty that aren't "protected" or whatever it is you think it is. There should be a line of criminals being fast tracked into prison if even half of this stuff is true and it should have started weeks at the most after Trump took office in '24.