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rocky the dog said:

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I don't know if these figures are accurate, but anyway...

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That graphic was created after Trump's first 18 months in office. If you include the last two months, he's up to 6.1%. if you are to assume the same average CPI over an entire four years, then it's 14.9%.

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So he's actually higher than Bill when you add math to this?

TxAG#2011 said:

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Trump torpedoed his entire economic agenda for a war he promised not to start.

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You guys are so short sighted…

Honestly, our dominance and global dollar driven economy is tied to oil. Cannot allow Iran to control the Middle East, the Strait and all the oil producing countries in the region.

"Oh let's let China and Russias main ally control the middle east and all the oil that insures American economic dominance"

Nobody wants to go to war, but sometimes you kinda just have to do what you have to do.

Wait until you see what we're gonna have to do to China to win that one and how much it's gonna suck.

The United States is not going to roll over for China.

The only way we lose to China and Iran is because of American women and weak men who track quarter percentage percentages of inflation and then whine because they're poor and ill prepared, I guess.

CrackerJackAg said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Trump torpedoed his entire economic agenda for a war he promised not to start.

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You guys are so short sighted…

Honestly, our dominance and global dollar driven economy is tied to oil. Cannot allow Iran to control the Middle East, the Strait and all the oil producing countries in the region.

"Oh let's let China and Russias main ally control the middle east and all the oil that insures American economic dominance"

Nobody wants to go to war, but sometimes you kinda just have to do what you have to do.

Wait until you see what we're gonna have to do to China to win that one and how much it's gonna suck.

The United States is not going to roll over for China.

The only way we lose to China and Iran is because of American women and weak men who track quarter percentage percentages of inflation and then whine because they're poor and ill prepared, I guess.

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This. Thank you.

CrackerJackAg said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Trump torpedoed his entire economic agenda for a war he promised not to start.

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You guys are so short sighted…

Honestly, our dominance and global dollar driven economy is tied to oil. Cannot allow Iran to control the Middle East, the Strait and all the oil producing countries in the region.

"Oh let's let China and Russias main ally control the middle east and all the oil that insures American economic dominance"

Nobody wants to go to war, but sometimes you kinda just have to do what you have to do.

Wait until you see what we're gonna have to do to China to win that one and how much it's gonna suck.

The United States is not going to roll over for China.

The only way we lose to China and Iran is because of American women and weak men who track quarter percentage percentages of inflation and then whine because they're poor and ill prepared, I guess.

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So then we should be fine since Trump and the right are in charge, not women and weak men.

I mean, we aren't by the metric of numbers and the war that we still haven't won against a country living not too far from the stone age, but still, Trump and his best people should be able to get us to the golden age eventually. They've had two years, so maybe in the next two?

No Spin Ag said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Trump torpedoed his entire economic agenda for a war he promised not to start.

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But to be fair, let's not put all the blame on Trump's war. I mean, we can't leave out Trump's tariffs out of the conversation, because even before Trump's war, "affordability" was already the catch phrase haunting the right. Trump's war that he can't seem to end just keeps kicking affordability to whole new levels of relevancy in the average Americans life.

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Tariffs did very little to raise prices. People were still mad at the Biden era increases and the fact that prices didn't return to what they were before, which was never going to happen.

No Spin Ag said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Trump torpedoed his entire economic agenda for a war he promised not to start.

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You guys are so short sighted…

Honestly, our dominance and global dollar driven economy is tied to oil. Cannot allow Iran to control the Middle East, the Strait and all the oil producing countries in the region.

"Oh let's let China and Russias main ally control the middle east and all the oil that insures American economic dominance"

Nobody wants to go to war, but sometimes you kinda just have to do what you have to do.

Wait until you see what we're gonna have to do to China to win that one and how much it's gonna suck.

The United States is not going to roll over for China.

The only way we lose to China and Iran is because of American women and weak men who track quarter percentage percentages of inflation and then whine because they're poor and ill prepared, I guess.

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So then we should be fine since Trump and the right are in charge, not women and weak men.

I mean, we aren't by the metric of numbers and the war that we still haven't won against a country living not too far from the stone age, but still, Trump and his best people should be able to get us to the golden age eventually. They've had two years, so maybe in the next two?

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I think the Iran conflict been going on for months.

Don't get your knickers all up in a bind.

I don't approve of everything that Trump does.

In hindsight, there was a better way to do this but we are doing it and it's not a simple thing and it might take a hot minute bro so you may wanna like chill out.

Honestly, I think everybody operates on the wavelength of a 12-year-old girl and just expects everything to magically immediately happen.

We have fought forever wars in the past for basically no return

This conflict ensures American dominance in the region for a generation IF WE WIN. The IRGC and the Islamic Republic have got to go. At minimum, they must be isolated and they cannot achieve a nuclear weapon.

It's been less than a year, bro.

For political reasons though, people like you will undercut the effort and make sure that America loses.

The only way we lose is because of the American public being as weak and whiny as you.

I don't know if you're well to do or not, doesn't really sound like it, but the average family that is fairly well to do will spend upwards of $2000 a month on food and gasoline.

Meaning they will spend $24,000 a year on those items

Assuming the absolute highest rate of inflation we're talking about this costing you $2,400 annually.

Are you so broke, unprepared and poor you can't sustain $2400.

Honest to God, if your portfolio hasn't doubled or tripled due to tech alone in the last five years, then that's your own fault.

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No Spin Ag said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Trump torpedoed his entire economic agenda for a war he promised not to start.

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But to be fair, let's not put all the blame on Trump's war. I mean, we can't leave out Trump's tariffs out of the conversation, because even before Trump's war, "affordability" was already the catch phrase haunting the right. Trump's war that he can't seem to end just keeps kicking affordability to whole new levels of relevancy in the average Americans life.

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Tariffs did very little to raise prices. People were still mad at the Biden era increases and the fact that prices didn't return to what they were before, which was never going to happen.

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Get your Patriot bread and Patriot gas today!

https://taxfoundation.org/research/federal-tax/trump-tariffs-trade-war/

Edit: Ah man another patriot bucks supporter above.

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For political reasons though, people like you will undercut the effort and make sure that America loses.

The only way we lose is because of the American public being as weak and whiny as you.

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This brings me back to the good ole patriotic days of the Iraq war when that was spinning out of control.

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For political reasons though, people like you will undercut the effort and make sure that America loses.

The only way we lose is because of the American public being as weak and whiny as you.

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This brings me back to the good ole patriotic days of the Iraq war when that was spinning out of control.

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Yeah, I think everybody is past the concept of two decade long regime change and country building wars.

That was obviously mistake and nobody's down for that.

Dealing with slight discomfort in order to cripple a regime is worth it.

I don't care if Iran becomes the new Libya, Afghanistan or whatever **** hole it becomes.

I would like them to do better and become a free and prosperous country again, but that's kind of up to them and I don't think anybody here is proposing that we do it for them.

The only thing that is a requirement is to isolate them and to make sure they don't get a nuclear weapon.

Regime change through economic collapse is a worthwhile goal.

CrackerJackAg said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Trump torpedoed his entire economic agenda for a war he promised not to start.

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You guys are so short sighted…

Honestly, our dominance and global dollar driven economy is tied to oil. Cannot allow Iran to control the Middle East, the Strait and all the oil producing countries in the region.

"Oh let's let China and Russias main ally control the middle east and all the oil that insures American economic dominance"

Nobody wants to go to war, but sometimes you kinda just have to do what you have to do.

Wait until you see what we're gonna have to do to China to win that one and how much it's gonna suck.

The United States is not going to roll over for China.

The only way we lose to China and Iran is because of American women and weak men who track quarter percentage percentages of inflation and then whine because they're poor and ill prepared, I guess.

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So then we should be fine since Trump and the right are in charge, not women and weak men.

I mean, we aren't by the metric of numbers and the war that we still haven't won against a country living not too far from the stone age, but still, Trump and his best people should be able to get us to the golden age eventually. They've had two years, so maybe in the next two?

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I think the Iran conflict been going on for months.

Don't get your knickers all up in a bind.

I don't approve of everything that Trump does.

In hindsight, there was a better way to do this but we are doing it and it's not a simple thing and it might take a hot minute bro so you may wanna like chill out.

Honestly, I think everybody operates on the wavelength of a 12-year-old girl and just expects everything to magically immediately happen.

We have fought forever wars in the past for basically no return

This conflict ensures American dominance in the region for a generation IF WE WIN. The IRGC and the Islamic Republic have got to go. At minimum, they must be isolated and they cannot achieve a nuclear weapon.

It's been less than a year, bro.

For political reasons though, people like you will undercut the effort and make sure that America loses.

The only way we lose is because of the American public being as weak and whiny as you.

I don't know if you're well to do or not, doesn't really sound like it, but the average family that is fairly well to do will spend upwards of $2000 a month on food and gasoline.

Meaning they will spend $24,000 a year on those items

Assuming the absolute highest rate of inflation we're talking about this costing you $2,400 annually.

Are you so broke, unprepared and poor you can't sustain $2400.

Honest to God, if your portfolio hasn't doubled or tripled due to tech alone in the last five years, then that's your own fault.

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I do better than most, even on here, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to the numbers and reality.

Taking what seems to be your logic, a person with cancer shouldn't complain because they could live, but even if they're going to die, what are they complaining about, they're not dead after all.

As for the war, had Trump not said, repeatedly, that the war had been won, many months ago, or that in two weeks blah blah blah would happen, I'd be using a different lens with him. But he did and has, so here we are.

I don't believe in excuses, I believe in honesty and results.

So far we're getting very little of the former and even less of the latter.

No Spin Ag said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Trump torpedoed his entire economic agenda for a war he promised not to start.

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You guys are so short sighted…

Honestly, our dominance and global dollar driven economy is tied to oil. Cannot allow Iran to control the Middle East, the Strait and all the oil producing countries in the region.

"Oh let's let China and Russias main ally control the middle east and all the oil that insures American economic dominance"

Nobody wants to go to war, but sometimes you kinda just have to do what you have to do.

Wait until you see what we're gonna have to do to China to win that one and how much it's gonna suck.

The United States is not going to roll over for China.

The only way we lose to China and Iran is because of American women and weak men who track quarter percentage percentages of inflation and then whine because they're poor and ill prepared, I guess.

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So then we should be fine since Trump and the right are in charge, not women and weak men.

I mean, we aren't by the metric of numbers and the war that we still haven't won against a country living not too far from the stone age, but still, Trump and his best people should be able to get us to the golden age eventually. They've had two years, so maybe in the next two?

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I think the Iran conflict been going on for months.

Don't get your knickers all up in a bind.

I don't approve of everything that Trump does.

In hindsight, there was a better way to do this but we are doing it and it's not a simple thing and it might take a hot minute bro so you may wanna like chill out.

Honestly, I think everybody operates on the wavelength of a 12-year-old girl and just expects everything to magically immediately happen.

We have fought forever wars in the past for basically no return

This conflict ensures American dominance in the region for a generation IF WE WIN. The IRGC and the Islamic Republic have got to go. At minimum, they must be isolated and they cannot achieve a nuclear weapon.

It's been less than a year, bro.

For political reasons though, people like you will undercut the effort and make sure that America loses.

The only way we lose is because of the American public being as weak and whiny as you.

I don't know if you're well to do or not, doesn't really sound like it, but the average family that is fairly well to do will spend upwards of $2000 a month on food and gasoline.

Meaning they will spend $24,000 a year on those items

Assuming the absolute highest rate of inflation we're talking about this costing you $2,400 annually.

Are you so broke, unprepared and poor you can't sustain $2400.

Honest to God, if your portfolio hasn't doubled or tripled due to tech alone in the last five years, then that's your own fault.

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I do better than most, even on here, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to the numbers and reality.

Taking what seems to be your logic, a person with cancer shouldn't complain because they could live, but even if they're going to die, what are they complaining about, they're not dead after all.

As for the war, had Trump not said, repeatedly, that the war had been won, many months ago, or that in two weeks blah blah blah would happen, I'd be using a different lens with him. But he did and has, so here we are.

I don't believe in excuses, I believe in honesty and results.

So far we're getting very little of the former and even less of the latter.

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I get what you're saying, but it's still far too short sighted.

Sometimes the adversary doesn't make reasonable decisions.

The IRGC has shown a willingness to bleed its own people far more than anyone reasonably expected.

It's taken a bit more effort. That's true, but again it's still pretty damn minor.

If you're super worried about diesel prices, then you should be pretty upset at Ukraine as Russia is the world's largest Diesel manufacturer and they keep ****ing up their refineries.

Houthis causing problems in Red Sea. Which is Irans doing but you act like it's all 100% Trumps fault and the adversary has no say and should just roll over.

I do know that if Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon and they stop funding terrorist networks throughout the Middle East then that would be a good thing.

But you know what because things don't always go 100% like people hope that they will and what they campaign on means that you should whine a lot and cause as much political destabilization as possible.

America is full of absolute weaklings and mentally inept people and we will be our own undoing.

Ultimately, the numbers are pretty damn small when you consider the alternative.

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Regime change through economic collapse is a worthwhile goal.

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That's clearly the Trump administration's goal. Wait, do you mean for Iran or the US?

CrackerJackAg said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Trump torpedoed his entire economic agenda for a war he promised not to start.

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You guys are so short sighted…

Honestly, our dominance and global dollar driven economy is tied to oil. Cannot allow Iran to control the Middle East, the Strait and all the oil producing countries in the region.

"Oh let's let China and Russias main ally control the middle east and all the oil that insures American economic dominance"

Nobody wants to go to war, but sometimes you kinda just have to do what you have to do.

Wait until you see what we're gonna have to do to China to win that one and how much it's gonna suck.

The United States is not going to roll over for China.

The only way we lose to China and Iran is because of American women and weak men who track quarter percentage percentages of inflation and then whine because they're poor and ill prepared, I guess.

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So then we should be fine since Trump and the right are in charge, not women and weak men.

I mean, we aren't by the metric of numbers and the war that we still haven't won against a country living not too far from the stone age, but still, Trump and his best people should be able to get us to the golden age eventually. They've had two years, so maybe in the next two?

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I think the Iran conflict been going on for months.

Don't get your knickers all up in a bind.

I don't approve of everything that Trump does.

In hindsight, there was a better way to do this but we are doing it and it's not a simple thing and it might take a hot minute bro so you may wanna like chill out.

Honestly, I think everybody operates on the wavelength of a 12-year-old girl and just expects everything to magically immediately happen.

We have fought forever wars in the past for basically no return

This conflict ensures American dominance in the region for a generation IF WE WIN. The IRGC and the Islamic Republic have got to go. At minimum, they must be isolated and they cannot achieve a nuclear weapon.

It's been less than a year, bro.

For political reasons though, people like you will undercut the effort and make sure that America loses.

The only way we lose is because of the American public being as weak and whiny as you.

I don't know if you're well to do or not, doesn't really sound like it, but the average family that is fairly well to do will spend upwards of $2000 a month on food and gasoline.

Meaning they will spend $24,000 a year on those items

Assuming the absolute highest rate of inflation we're talking about this costing you $2,400 annually.

Are you so broke, unprepared and poor you can't sustain $2400.

Honest to God, if your portfolio hasn't doubled or tripled due to tech alone in the last five years, then that's your own fault.

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I do better than most, even on here, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to the numbers and reality.

Taking what seems to be your logic, a person with cancer shouldn't complain because they could live, but even if they're going to die, what are they complaining about, they're not dead after all.

As for the war, had Trump not said, repeatedly, that the war had been won, many months ago, or that in two weeks blah blah blah would happen, I'd be using a different lens with him. But he did and has, so here we are.

I don't believe in excuses, I believe in honesty and results.

So far we're getting very little of the former and even less of the latter.

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I get what you're saying, but it's still far too short sighted.

Sometimes the adversary doesn't make reasonable decisions.

The IRGC has shown a willingness to bleed its own people far more than anyone reasonably expected.

It's taken a bit more effort. That's true, but again it's still pretty damn minor.

If you're super worried about diesel prices, then you should be pretty upset at Ukraine as Russia is the world's largest Diesel manufacturer and they keep ****ing up their refineries.

Houthis causing problems in Red Sea. Which is Irans doing but you act like it's all 100% Trumps fault and the adversary has no say and should just roll over.

I do know that if Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon and they stop funding terrorist networks throughout the Middle East then that would be a good thing.

But you know what because things don't always go 100% like people hope that they will and what they campaign on means that you should whine a lot and cause as much political destabilization as possible.

America is full of absolute weaklings and mentally inept people and we will be our own undoing.

Ultimately, the numbers are pretty damn small when you consider the alternative.

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Agree to disagree.

Appreciate the back and forth, though.

I don't think we disagree so much as you're looking at the immediate cost and I'm looking at the long-term cost

You are absolutely correct that there is a short-term cost

I view it in the sense of what is the short term cost versus the long-term cost of the collapse of the petrodollar & American globalization.

Pennies on the millions.

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No, I was actually pointing out that you could argue the actual terminology and how it's applied to two different things.

But to be honest rising gas prices due to supply disruptions is not inflation by definition and labeling any actual inflation transitory is sort of ******ed as well.

But since we are pissing all definitions, not sure much of it matters.

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It's amazing how nuanced you are when it's "your" guy.

No Spin Ag said:

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AustinAg2K said:

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rocky the dog said:

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I don't know if these figures are accurate, but anyway...

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That graphic was created after Trump's first 18 months in office. If you include the last two months, he's up to 6.1%. if you are to assume the same average CPI over an entire four years, then it's 14.9%.

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So he's actually higher than Bill when you add math to this?

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That assuming inflation averages the same it has for the first part of his second term. It could go down, or if he gives everyone $5k, way up.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Blackhorse83 said:

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Nothing to be concerned about. It's transitory.

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inflation driven by an active conflict in the ME and global diesel shortage are actually more transitory than the inflationary impacts of the Green Mew Deal. HTH.

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Crippling inflation is a small price to pay. If Trump didn't totally destroy Iran, we would all be speaking Farsi right now.

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Iran would have conquered us?

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Yup. If Trump didn't stop them, they would have nuked us then they would have come over and raped our women and made our children pray to Allah…but they would get rid of the gays first.

jwhaby said:

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Ducks4brkfast said:

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jwhaby said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Blackhorse83 said:

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Nothing to be concerned about. It's transitory.

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inflation driven by an active conflict in the ME and global diesel shortage are actually more transitory than the inflationary impacts of the Green Mew Deal. HTH.

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Crippling inflation is a small price to pay. If Trump didn't totally destroy Iran, we would all be speaking Farsi right now.

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Iran would have conquered us?

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Yup. If Trump didn't stop them, they would have nuked us then they would have come over and raped our women and made our children pray to Allah…but they would get rid of the gays first.

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Muslims doing a damn fine job of conquering the UK and France as we speak with full on systemic, national rape scandal in the UK. I'm sure it's the same in France.

Doesn't hurt to be proactive here although instead of focusing on Iran I would be working contingency plans for getting nukes out of UK and France and deporting most Muslims out of this country.

CrackerJackAg said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Trump torpedoed his entire economic agenda for a war he promised not to start.

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You guys are so short sighted…

Honestly, our dominance and global dollar driven economy is tied to oil. Cannot allow Iran to control the Middle East, the Strait and all the oil producing countries in the region.

"Oh let's let China and Russias main ally control the middle east and all the oil that insures American economic dominance"

Nobody wants to go to war, but sometimes you kinda just have to do what you have to do.

Wait until you see what we're gonna have to do to China to win that one and how much it's gonna suck.

The United States is not going to roll over for China.

The only way we lose to China and Iran is because of American women and weak men who track quarter percentage percentages of inflation and then whine because they're poor and ill prepared, I guess.

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We didn't have to go to war with Iran. Source - the last 30 years when we didn't go to war.

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It's disturbing to imply that a terrorist Iran only threatens Israel. They've killed thousands of Americans.

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They have not killed thousands of Americans. Even if you took all the Americans killed in Iraq by Shia it wouldnt be close to thousands.

CrackerJackAg said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Trump torpedoed his entire economic agenda for a war he promised not to start.

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You guys are so short sighted…

Honestly, our dominance and global dollar driven economy is tied to oil. Cannot allow Iran to control the Middle East, the Strait and all the oil producing countries in the region.

"Oh let's let China and Russias main ally control the middle east and all the oil that insures American economic dominance"

Nobody wants to go to war, but sometimes you kinda just have to do what you have to do.

Wait until you see what we're gonna have to do to China to win that one and how much it's gonna suck.

The United States is not going to roll over for China.

The only way we lose to China and Iran is because of American women and weak men who track quarter percentage percentages of inflation and then whine because they're poor and ill prepared, I guess.

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They didn't control the middle east before all this started. Now they control the middle east because we didn't finish the job.

Yes blame the American people for loosing to Iran. The American people that struggle to fill gas tanks and pay taxes to support Illegals. We should have supported Israel harder we wouldn't be in the mess.

How about blaming the American president that was elected to lower prices and not start new wars instead of the middle class families just trying to make it.

Poor spelling and irrational.

The jeeeeeews!!!!

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Ducks4brkfast said:

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jwhaby said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Blackhorse83 said:

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Nothing to be concerned about. It's transitory.

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inflation driven by an active conflict in the ME and global diesel shortage are actually more transitory than the inflationary impacts of the Green Mew Deal. HTH.

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Crippling inflation is a small price to pay. If Trump didn't totally destroy Iran, we would all be speaking Farsi right now.

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Iran would have conquered us?

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Yup. If Trump didn't stop them, they would have nuked us then they would have come over and raped our women and made our children pray to Allah…but they would get rid of the gays first.

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ROFL!! You do know Iran in on the other side of the planet, right? They have no weapons that can reach us. As of last year they had no nuke program and it was years before they would even be close. They are a much bigger threat to Israel than us (which is why Israel talked Trump into attacking them).

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jwhaby said:

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Ducks4brkfast said:

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jwhaby said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Blackhorse83 said:

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Nothing to be concerned about. It's transitory.

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inflation driven by an active conflict in the ME and global diesel shortage are actually more transitory than the inflationary impacts of the Green Mew Deal. HTH.

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Crippling inflation is a small price to pay. If Trump didn't totally destroy Iran, we would all be speaking Farsi right now.

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Iran would have conquered us?

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Yup. If Trump didn't stop them, they would have nuked us then they would have come over and raped our women and made our children pray to Allah…but they would get rid of the gays first.

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ROFL!! You do know Iran in on the other side of the planet, right? They have no weapons that can reach us. As of last year they had no nuke program and it was years before they would even be close. They are a much bigger threat to Israel than us (which is why Israel talked Trump into attacking them).

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What kind of engineer are you?