Logos Stick said:

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Canada entered the war to save its own bacon (pun intended), not as a favor to the allies or Britain. If Britain fell, Canada lost its main market and its Atlantic protection. Staying out was a bet their PM was not willing to make. You act like it was altruistic, which is absurd. It certainly did us no favors.

The fact is, Canada has been free riding on our backs for decades.

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Not true at all.

We have had a 70 year win-win partnership and alliance with Canada, but for some reason Trump and some others in the far-right hate that and want to destroy it.

Destroying the alliance and partnership makes zero sense, at least from an American economic and natsec point of view.

The one thing Canada needed to address and fix was upping its military and defense and natsec spending.

Carney wholeheartedly agreed on that. Under Carney's leadership, Canada is doing exactly what we asked it to do on its national defense spending increases.

That ought to please Trump and the far-right. But it doesn't. Which is very telling and revealing.

DeschutesAg said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Canada entered the war to save its own bacon (pun intended), not as a favor to the allies or Britain. If Britain fell, Canada lost its main market and its Atlantic protection. Staying out was a bet their PM was not willing to make. You act like it was altruistic, which is absurd. It certainly did us no favors.

The fact is, Canada has been free riding on our backs for decades.

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Not true at all.

We have had a 70 year win-win partnership and alliance with Canada, but for some reason Trump and some others in the far-right hate that and want to destroy it.

Destroying the alliance and partnership makes zero sense, at least from an American economic and natsec point of view.

The one thing Canada needed to address and fix was upping its military and defense and natsec spending.

Carney wholeheartedly agreed on that. Under Carney's leadership, Canada is doing exactly what we asked it to do on its national defense spending increases.

That ought to please Trump and the far-right. But it doesn't. Which is very telling and revealing.

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Well, that and their far left wing politics, their severely degraded economy, and their massive demographics problem just to call out a few other things.

DeschutesAg said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Canada entered the war to save its own bacon (pun intended), not as a favor to the allies or Britain. If Britain fell, Canada lost its main market and its Atlantic protection. Staying out was a bet their PM was not willing to make. You act like it was altruistic, which is absurd. It certainly did us no favors.

The fact is, Canada has been free riding on our backs for decades.

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Not true at all.

We have had a 70 year win-win partnership and alliance with Canada, but for some reason Trump and some others in the far-right hate that and want to destroy it.

Destroying the alliance and partnership makes zero sense, at least from an American economic and natsec point of view.

The one thing Canada needed to address and fix was upping its military and defense and natsec spending.

Carney wholeheartedly agreed on that. Under Carney's leadership, Canada is doing exactly what we asked it to do on its national defense spending increases.

That ought to please Trump and the far-right. But it doesn't. Which is very telling and revealing.

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Serious cope job here.

The United States can exist without Canada.

Canada simply cannot exist without the United States. You're about to see that take place in real time, if they do indeed push their chips in with Chy-nah. They rely, too heavily, on us in a lopsided trade agreement. If terms become equitable, you will see the same mass chaos in Quebec as you see in Bordeaux now; with the "students" (unvetted illegal immigrant malcontents) becoming unruly because the white wage-slaves who generate tax revenue realize what their production is actually going towards.

Pretty good piece, on Carney's pals in Europe, similar headline (and economic failures);

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When All Else Fails, Start a War: Europe's Descent From Net Zero Folly to Military Mobilization

In September last year, images from the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit in Tianjin Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping and Narendra Modi smiling, arms linked told Brussels and London more than any communiqu about where two decades of energy self-harm had led. On the sidelines, Gazprom and CNPC signed a "memorandum" on the Power of Siberia 2 pipeline through Mongolia. This was a political signal, not a priced gas contract. I set out at the time, in How the West Snookered Itself in Energy Geopolitics, how the obsession with Net Zero had handed Moscow and Beijing a strategic gift while leaving Germany, once Europe's industrial powerhouse, prostrate.

A year on, the diagnosis has not changed. What has changed is the prescription. Having wrecked their own economies through the fantasy of decarbonisation, the EU and UK's governing liberal-left establishment stagnant, unpopular, and facing the electoral rise of AfD in Germany and Marine Le Pen's Rassemblement National in France has settled on a time-honoured remedy for domestic failure: warnings of the threat of war.

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An Old Story, Retold
As the saying goes, when all else fails, start a war. It is difficult to escape the conclusion that this old and cynical political logic familiar episodes of governing-class failure across history is precisely what is now in play across Western Europe and Britain. The region's political elites presided over two decades of self-inflicted energy poverty, deindustrialisation and demographic upheaval. They now face electorates increasingly inclined to reward the populist parties that promise to reverse course. A governing establishment that built its legitimacy on Net Zero and open borders has discovered that a foreign enemy, real or embellished, is a more reliable route to continued power than an honest reckoning with its own record.

Vladimir Putin's Russia makes an unusually convenient target: distant enough to be safely feared, weak enough (on Mr Rutte's own telling) to be safely provoked, and useful enough, as an organising threat, to justify the curtailments of speech and dissent that a discredited establishment now finds it needs. Europeans and Britons alike would do well to ask, before this logic runs its course, who exactly is being asked to do the dying, and in whose interest.

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More at the link, of course.

DeschutesAg said:

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It is pretty much a nothingburger story in Canada.

Unlike Trump, Carney is a serious adult. As any serious western democracy national leader would do, Carney correctly pointed out it is highly unlikely the USA would ever militarily attack Canada. He ticked off several solid reasons supporting that conclusion.

He also correctly pointed out that as Prime Minister, he and Canada's natsec agencies and Canada's military still had a sworn duty and responsibility to take Trump's threats seriously and order a plan to be made that addressed it. So they did that. Standard practice.

The Danes, Germans, Estonians, Brits, Aussies, Japanese, South Koreans, Swedes, and likely every other democratic nation in Europe have made plans on what to do if Trump does something stupid like invade Greenland or Canada. Again, that is standard practice in the natsec world.

The only real story here is: During the time period President Trump and the current group of Congressional Rs hold control of the U.S. government, the USA is no longer a reliable ally and a dependable partner. That is simply an embarrassing and shameful but indelibly true fact, and all of our longtime democratic allies know it.

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Carney is a serious globalist lap dog, I'll give you that. None of those "allies" have been reliable to the U.S. other than to take handouts and covertly subvert the U.S. through our corrupt politicians (specific cult affiliation is not important as both are the same).

DeschutesAg said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Canada entered the war to save its own bacon (pun intended), not as a favor to the allies or Britain. If Britain fell, Canada lost its main market and its Atlantic protection. Staying out was a bet their PM was not willing to make. You act like it was altruistic, which is absurd. It certainly did us no favors.

The fact is, Canada has been free riding on our backs for decades.

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Not true at all.

We have had a 70 year win-win partnership and alliance with Canada, but for some reason Trump and some others in the far-right hate that and want to destroy it.

Destroying the alliance and partnership makes zero sense, at least from an American economic and natsec point of view.

The one thing Canada needed to address and fix was upping its military and defense and natsec spending.

Carney wholeheartedly agreed on that. Under Carney's leadership, Canada is doing exactly what we asked it to do on its national defense spending increases.

That ought to please Trump and the far-right. But it doesn't. Which is very telling and revealing.

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First, Carney knows, and you know, that Trump was just blustering, as Trump does, to make political points. There is no desire to create another state, especially a place that has a lower per-capita income than Mississippi. Carney also knows that Trump is now a lame-duck who will be gone in two years. Therefore, Carney is doing the exact same thing - blustering to score political points with his leftist constituents. Carney is no buffoon - he is playing to his base. Also, Trump is not far-right. He is certainly not a conservative. He is in a category all his own.

This whole discussion begs the question - why would it take an invasion? Any Canadian citizen would be better off, by far, if they were subjects of the United States. They would be wealthier. They would have better medical care. They would be a stronger world power. They should be begging us to take them into the family. I would also recommend to you the words of the Canadian newsman Gordon Sinclair - an oldie but a goodie.

Gordon Sinclair The Americans

DeschutesAg said:

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APHIS AG said:

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We are not going to make Canada our "51st State".

Carney needs something to keep Canadians minds tocounter his incompetency.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9m2mjj3yvg4o?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

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So you didn't read the article.

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Better off for it.

DeschutesAg said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Canada entered the war to save its own bacon (pun intended), not as a favor to the allies or Britain. If Britain fell, Canada lost its main market and its Atlantic protection. Staying out was a bet their PM was not willing to make. You act like it was altruistic, which is absurd. It certainly did us no favors.

The fact is, Canada has been free riding on our backs for decades.

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Not true at all.

We have had a 70 year win-win partnership and alliance with Canada, but for some reason Trump and some others in the far-right hate that and want to destroy it.

Destroying the alliance and partnership makes zero sense, at least from an American economic and natsec point of view.

The one thing Canada needed to address and fix was upping its military and defense and natsec spending.

Carney wholeheartedly agreed on that. Under Carney's leadership, Canada is doing exactly what we asked it to do on its national defense spending increases.

That ought to please Trump and the far-right. But it doesn't. Which is very telling and revealing.

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Stopped reading at 'for some reason'.