APHIS AG said:

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We are not going to make Canada our "51st State".

Carney needs something to keep Canadians minds tocounter his incompetency.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9m2mjj3yvg4o?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

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So you didn't read the article.

DeschutesAg said:

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APHIS AG said:

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We are not going to make Canada our "51st State".

Carney needs something to keep Canadians minds tocounter his incompetency.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9m2mjj3yvg4o?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

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So you didn't read the article.

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The OP is responsible for presenting their case in a clear concise manner. Oh wait wrong thread.

I don't subscribe and i can read it

nortex97 said:

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It's an absurd recycling of a 5+ day old story from what Carney blathered to the NYT about, spending a year planning for such an invasion-contingency.

US officials are saying they have no intent to invade Canada. They think we're crazy for even thinking it. We've been family forever.
Carney told the New York Times he spent a year preparing for the "extreme tail risk" of US military action, and turned down a favoured-nation… pic.twitter.com/00I7LY3sgP

— SaskRiderGal🇨🇦 (@saskridergal) September 28, 2026

Like everything he does, it's intended to gin up leftist voters in central/eastern Canada.

Mark Carney decided to tell New York Times Canada is preparing for risk of U.S. Invasion even after U.S. admiral said do you also want my battle plans for the Martians too? That’s the level of absurdity we’re dealing with.pic.twitter.com/G7lViX83js

— Marc Nixon (@MarcNixon24) September 24, 2026

CCP Clown Carney is nothing but an entertainer, really.

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That seems to be a commonality among North American executive leadership.

I thought the title of this thread was about the United States.

nortex97 said:

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It's an absurd recycling of a 5+ day old story from what Carney blathered to the NYT about, spending a year planning for such an invasion-contingency.

US officials are saying they have no intent to invade Canada. They think we're crazy for even thinking it. We've been family forever.
Carney told the New York Times he spent a year preparing for the "extreme tail risk" of US military action, and turned down a favoured-nation… pic.twitter.com/00I7LY3sgP

— SaskRiderGal🇨🇦 (@saskridergal) September 28, 2026

Like everything he does, it's intended to gin up leftist voters in central/eastern Canada.

Mark Carney decided to tell New York Times Canada is preparing for risk of U.S. Invasion even after U.S. admiral said do you also want my battle plans for the Martians too? That’s the level of absurdity we’re dealing with.pic.twitter.com/G7lViX83js

— Marc Nixon (@MarcNixon24) September 24, 2026

CCP Clown Carney is nothing but an entertainer, really.

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That d-bag reporter kept pushing on it - even saying it was a serious question about a serious issue...

pfo said:

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Exactly right OP. Carney is an incompetent buffoon.

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He's a leftist so by definition he's an incompetent buffoon.

Is this a cry for help? Like when a child realizes he can't figure out how to build the Lego set he got for his birthday or something and he's too embarrassed to ask daddy for help?

BadMoonRisin said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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APHIS AG said:

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We are not going to make Canada our "51st State".

Carney needs something to keep Canadians minds tocounter his incompetency.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9m2mjj3yvg4o?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

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So you didn't read the article.

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It's behind a paywall of one of the most ******ed media outlets on planet Earth. No reasonable person would give them money. Maybe you can do us a favor and post you favorite talking points, or at minimum, a readable link.

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No, I did not give them my money. I have my "ways".

Here's the article

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Prime Minister Mark Carney admitted last week that he has prepared for a once-unthinkable scenario - a US invasion.
Noting the risk was low and the likelihood highly improbable, he told the New York Times he had a responsibility to consider all possibilities as the US-Canada relationship is redefined under the Donald Trump presidency.
"That's just risk management," Carney said.
Trump's global tariffs and his often-repeated desire to make Canada the 51st state has led Canada to war game an attack by the Americans.
In 2025, the US president said it was "highly unlikely" that the US would ever use force against Canada. Instead he said, he would continue to exert economic pressures to obtain political aims.
"President Trump has done more than anyone to protect the great people of Canada," the White House told the BBC in a statement this week.
Military experts who spoke to the BBC also think an invasion is a long shot, pointing to the multiple ways the two countries work together on defence.
But the issue is clearly weighing on Canadians' minds.
In January, after the US captured Nicols Maduro in Venezuela, a Leger poll suggested that over 30% of Canadians believed that a US invasion was likely.
Why it is unlikely to happen
A war between Canada and the US would be complicated and almost difficult to imagine, said Lt-Gen Christopher Coates, a former military officer of 34 years with the Royal Canadian Air Force who held various senior positions.
"I was involved in military operations for my whole career, and we never considered the possibility that there would be a military attack coming from US territory," he told the BBC.
Coates, who had served on Nato missions, noted that Canada and the US collaborate on many aspects of military defence.
They are both members of the north Atlantic defence alliance, which mandates members to defend a fellow member-nation should they be attacked.
The two countries also conduct joint Arctic defence missions under the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD), and frequently share intelligence.
Because of this, Coates said he believes an attack by the US on Canada would not begin with an armed assault, but rather with more discreet means like cyberwarfare.
Not always the best of friends
After World War II, Canada and the US became natural allies for the latter part of the 20th Century, and have become heavily integrated economically, militarily and culturally.
But it wasn't always this way. In fact, a core tenet of Canada's identity is its resistance of US expansionism in the 18th and 19th Centuries, said Tim Foran, a researcher with the Canadian War Museum.
"Fear of the United States is foundational to the political project that is Canada," he said.
Canada was formed as a collection of British North American colonies who remained loyal to the British Crown when the colonies in the modern-day US rebelled.
Before the formation of Canada, the US had attempted to invade British North American colonies, taking control of Montreal in 1775 and nearly conquering Quebec City.
In the war of 1812, the Americans invaded what was known then as Upper Canada, Lower Canada and the maritime colonies repeatedly, resulting in a stalemate. During that war, British troops famously burned down the White House in retaliation.
Foran said that at the time, the colonies that later became Canada relied on Great Britain and its Royal Navy for its defence, as well as indigenous peoples who served as generals in major battles.
Canada again contemplated war with the US post-World War I in response to its growing power and influence.
It drafted a plan that was informed by secret trips to border cities made by Canadian army generals, who would pose as tourists and snap photos of bridges and highways for intelligence.
They also spoke to local residents to better understand their enemy.
A war was an unlikely scenario then, said Andrew Burtch, a researcher with the Canadian War Museum with expertise on Canada in the 20th Century, but the Canadians still wanted to be prepared.
"That's part of what militaries do," he said. "They envisage all sorts of different scenarios."

Canada-US relations have deteriorated under the second Trump presidency.
What a US invasion could look like
Even if a US invasion is extremely unlikely, Matthew Schmidt, an associate professor of national security at the University of New Haven in Connecticut, said the fact that Canadians were preparing was a sign of just how drastically the global order has shifted.
He added Canadian leaders do have hard questions to ask about how closely they want to continue working with the American military - a partnership that gives them valuable information should they want to harm Canada in any way.
"It's really doing harm to relationships with the United States, and there's a certain amount of legitimate fear," he said.
Americans might not take Trump's comments about making Canada the 51st state seriously, he said, but Canadians clearly do - and are prepared to defend themselves if needed.
So what would it be like if it happened?
The first phase of a war could be quite short.
According to the model used by the Canadian military, as reported on by the Globe and Mail newspaper earlier this year, a US attack would see Canada's strategic positions overwhelmed within a week
Its military would quickly be outnumbered, forcing Canadian forces to resort to guerilla-type warfare to try to suppress their enemy.
Allied nations like France and Britain would be called on to provide support and defence for Canada, the newspaper reported in January, citing senior government officials.
The theoretical model is believed to be the first time in a century that Canada planned for an American assault.
The modelling is on the lighter end of military combat planning, Coates said.
He said that Canada, unlike its Nato allies, was lagging behind when it came to having a response plan in place in the event of any ground invasion, and that it was now playing catch-up in this era of unpredictable geopolitics.
Part of that, he said, was made evident by a recent call by Canada's defence chief to drastically increase the size of its military, including the addition of as many as 300,000 lightly trained citizen soldiers.
An invasion of Canada might not be straightforward from the US point of view either.
Even with its outsized military, the US would have a difficult time getting buy-in for a fight with Canada, said Schmidt.
"I think you would have a large number of American officers who would resign if given the order to invade Canada," he said.
"They would see it as an illegal and immoral order."
Schmidt said Canadian soldiers and American soldiers routinely train together, and share a mutual respect.
But in the unlikely scenario that relations would deteriorate to the point of combat, Schmidt said the US would likely focus on acquiring valuable Canadian resources like oil and minerals, and political decapitation.
"You would see a a kind of operation that would mirror perhaps what you saw in Venezuela," he said, referring to US military action earlier this year to capture former Venezuelan President Maduro.
Although he acknowledged the US has greater military capacity, he said that "pound for pound" Canadian soldiers would be able to put up a fight.

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This perfectly encapsulates Canada today...

Only ONE white person in that group of soldiers...

FlyRod said:

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I thought the title of this thread was about the United States.

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Excerpt for the fact that the US economy is strong.

What ridiculous, tail wagging the dog fear porn by Carney. He has largely caused all of this trade breakdown and then uses Trump's normal blathering, **** talking as something serious.

And this paragraph here is especially hilarious.

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Allied nations like France and Britain would be called on to provide support and defence for Canada, the newspaper reported in January, citing senior government officials.

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France and the UK have no way to even get to Canada. If this completely unrealistic scenario were to actually happen, Canada would be totally on its own.

It is pretty much a nothingburger story in Canada.

Unlike Trump, Carney is a serious adult. As any serious western democracy national leader would do, Carney correctly pointed out it is highly unlikely the USA would ever militarily attack Canada. He ticked off several solid reasons supporting that conclusion.

He also correctly pointed out that as Prime Minister, he and Canada's natsec agencies and Canada's military still had a sworn duty and responsibility to take Trump's threats seriously and order a plan to be made that addressed it. So they did that. Standard practice.

The Danes, Germans, Estonians, Brits, Aussies, Japanese, South Koreans, Swedes, and likely every other democratic nation in Europe have made plans on what to do if Trump does something stupid like invade Greenland or Canada. Again, that is standard practice in the natsec world.

The only real story here is: During the time period President Trump and the current group of Congressional Rs hold control of the U.S. government, the USA is no longer a reliable ally and a dependable partner. That is simply an embarrassing and shameful but indelibly true fact, and all of our longtime democratic allies know it.

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Mark Carney decided to tell New York Times Canada is preparing for risk of U.S. Invasion

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pfo said:

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Exactly right OP. Carney is an incompetent buffoon.

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Whose major investments are in the USA.

MouthBQ98 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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It is pretty much a nothingburger story in Canada.

Unlike Trump, Carney is a serious adult. As any serious western democracy national leader would do, Carney correctly pointed out it is highly unlikely the USA would ever militarily attack Canada. He ticked off several solid reasons supporting that conclusion.

He also correctly pointed out that as Prime Minister, he and Canada's natsec agencies and Canada's military still had a sworn duty and responsibility to take Trump's threats seriously and order a plan to be made that addressed it. So they did that. Standard practice.

The Danes, Germans, Estonians, Brits, Aussies, Japanese, South Koreans, Swedes, and likely every other democratic nation in Europe have made plans on what to do if Trump does something stupid like invade Greenland or Canada. Again, that is standard practice in the natsec world.

The only real story here is: During the time period President Trump and the current group of Congressional Rs hold control of the U.S. government, the USA is no longer a reliable ally and a dependable partner. That is simply an embarrassing and shameful but indelibly true fact, and all of our longtime democratic allies know it.

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You mean we are no longer being used and exploited fully and are demanding our partners carry their share of the burdens we agreed to, and that the US will act in its own interests when the circumstances may call for it, and other nations need to understand we won't be deferential to them any longer just because we want our political elites to be liked and popular at all the international conferences and their after parties.

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If your hypothesis is we the USA were an exploited victim in the post-WW2 hegemony / alliance of capitalist democracies / monetrary system / world order that we designed, created, controlled, and led for 75+ years, your perspective of post-WW2 world history and the international order is ludicrously incorrect.

DeschutesAg said:

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It is pretty much a nothingburger story in Canada.

Unlike Trump, Carney is a serious adult. As any serious western democracy national leader would do, Carney correctly pointed out it is highly unlikely the USA would ever militarily attack Canada. He ticked off several solid reasons supporting that conclusion.

He also correctly pointed out that as Prime Minister, he and Canada's natsec agencies and Canada's military still had a sworn duty and responsibility to take Trump's threats seriously and order a plan to be made that addressed it. So they did that. Standard practice.

The Danes, Germans, Estonians, Brits, Aussies, Japanese, South Koreans, Swedes, and likely every other democratic nation in Europe have made plans on what to do if Trump does something stupid like invade Greenland or Canada. Again, that is standard practice in the natsec world.

The only real story here is: During the time period President Trump and the current group of Congressional Rs hold control of the U.S. government, the USA is no longer a reliable ally and a dependable partner. That is simply an embarrassing and shameful but indelibly true fact, and all of our longtime democratic allies know it.

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Provide a link to each of these countries preparing for the US invasion of Greenland or Canada.

MouthBQ98 said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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It is pretty much a nothingburger story in Canada.

Unlike Trump, Carney is a serious adult. As any serious western democracy national leader would do, Carney correctly pointed out it is highly unlikely the USA would ever militarily attack Canada. He ticked off several solid reasons supporting that conclusion.

He also correctly pointed out that as Prime Minister, he and Canada's natsec agencies and Canada's military still had a sworn duty and responsibility to take Trump's threats seriously and order a plan to be made that addressed it. So they did that. Standard practice.

The Danes, Germans, Estonians, Brits, Aussies, Japanese, South Koreans, Swedes, and likely every other democratic nation in Europe have made plans on what to do if Trump does something stupid like invade Greenland or Canada. Again, that is standard practice in the natsec world.

The only real story here is: During the time period President Trump and the current group of Congressional Rs hold control of the U.S. government, the USA is no longer a reliable ally and a dependable partner. That is simply an embarrassing and shameful but indelibly true fact, and all of our longtime democratic allies know it.

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You mean we are no longer being used and exploited fully and are demanding our partners carry their share of the burdens we agreed to, and that the US will act in its own interests when the circumstances may call for it, and other nations need to understand we won't be deferential to them any longer just because we want our political elites to be liked and popular at all the international conferences and their after parties.

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This.

The rest of the world has taken advantage of our benevolence towards them.

Here's a couple examples:

1) They blew off spending their agreed amount towards NATO defense so they'd have more money to spend on their socialistic welfare states.

2) They implemented price controls on pharmaceuticals which directly led to higher prices for Americans.

They're now upset that we're not just taking it anymore and are demanding they pull their weight.

DNC every damn day : Trump is a NAZI and a threat to our Democracy.

DeschutesAg said:

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It is pretty much a nothingburger story in Canada.

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Nothingburger. Do you speak for Canadians now?

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But the issue is clearly weighing on Canadians' minds.

In January, after the US captured Nicols Maduro in Venezuela, a Leger poll suggested that over 30% of Canadians believed that a US invasion was likely.

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Yes, we have been benevolent. We have secured the eorld permitting vast quantities of stable free trade and we have technologically modernized and revolutionized the world, saving hundreds of millions of lives and enabling most people to live longer and better than they otherwise would have. They owe us a debt that really can never be repaid, but at least they could demonstrate some token gratitude.

The idea we have universally exploited the rest of the world is ridiculous Marxist rationalization to justify looting and stealing what America has built.

How do they practice surrendering? Do they run around waiving white flags? Practice wearing need pads in a surrender cobra pose?

MouthBQ98 said:

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Yes, we have been benevolent. We have secured the eorld permitting vast quantities of stable free trade and we have technologically modernized and revolutionized the world, saving hundreds of millions of lives and enabling most people to live longer and better than they otherwise would have. They owe us a debt that really can never be repaid, but at least they could demonstrate some token gratitude.

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150+ Canadians died in our WOT.

Tens of thousands of soldiers from Canada and other NATO countries fought and bled for us in Iraq and Afghanistan. But perhaps you don't consider their fighting for us and their deaths and their thousands of wounded soldiers who still have brain injuries, missing arms, legs, and other serious permanent injuries from fighting in the USA's wars in the ME to be repayment?

As for the other stuff you listed, do you think we did all of that all by ourselves? I hope you don't, because we only did part of it.

Who invented the cavity magnetron that was critical for the Allies' WW2 radar systems?

Who captured multiple Enigma Code machines? Who broke the Enigma Code?

Which two nations invented jet propulsion engines and jet aircraft, and which one of those nations shared their technology with us in 1941 and helped us get our military jet industry going?

Whose soldiers went on the suicide missions that destroyed the heavy water storage facilities and heavy water production facilities in Norway?

Who did the suicide missions into Denmark and blew up the offices and labs and destroyed the records and facilities that held many nuclear research secrets and advances?

Who risked and sometimes lost their lives on numerous brazen missions into Nazi controlled territories to smuggle many of the world's top nuclear scientists out of mainland Europe?

Who hid, took apart, analyzed, and smuggled V2 rocket pieces, parts, and design drawings out of occupied WW2 Poland?

In case you have forgotten, Canada, the Brits, France, and others entered WW2 and began fighting against Hitler and the Nazis years before we did.

Without the sacrifices and suicide missions of those nations in those first years of WW2, it is a high probability the Nazis would have developed nuclear weapons first.

So maybe it is us who owe the Canadians, the French, Brits, Poles, Danes, Aussies, Scots, and Norwegians a debt of gratitude.

You also mentioned medicine.

Who discovered insulin?

Who first discovered and developed safe effective tetanus vaccines?

Who discovered penicillin? Who then discovered and developed it into a wonder drug?

Who pioneered vaccines?

Truth be told, the USA trailed the UK, France, Germany, Denmark in science and engineering until WW2.

We made our huge leaps forward during and after WW2 thanks to the New Deal and other "big government" programs like NASA, the GI Bill, and many other taxpayer-funded education, medical, engineering, materials, and scientific research programs.

Canada entered the war to save its own bacon (pun intended), not as a favor to the allies or Britain. If Britain fell, Canada lost its main market and its Atlantic protection. Staying out was a bet their PM was not willing to make. You act like it was altruistic, which is absurd. It certainly did us no favors.

The fact is, Canada has been free riding on our backs for decades.

Wait, I want the plans for Martian attack really badly actually

Decay said:

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Wait, I want the plans for Martian attack really badly actually

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No, Trump has already informed the Joint Chief of Staff that he wants a comprehensive plan outlining the attack and take over of Mars!!!!

Remember, he was the one that authorized the establishment of the "Space Force".

Decay said:

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Wait, I want the plans for Martian attack really badly actually

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Found the Martian spy!

sts7049 said:

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I don't subscribe and i can read it

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Didn't South Park lampoon the US invasion of Canada because the idea was so absurd? It's been a while since I watched so maybe I'm misremembering.