China trying to poison US marijuana users

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Not surprising at all that state "legalization" just turns into a bonanza for criminal gangs. This will probably spread to other states if the legalization trend continues.

Chinese Gangsters Turned this California Paradise Into a Marijuana Factory

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Yreka, CaliforniaSiskiyou County is one of the most beautiful places on Earth. It sits against the towering backdrop of Mount Shasta and is surrounded by more than a million acres of farmland and forest. But in recent years, Chinese nationals have invaded this serene Northern California paradise to build an illegal cannabis empire.

Chinese nationals, including some associated with the Chinese Communist Party, run massive illegal marijuana operations just beneath Mount Shasta. They and the county's other illegal growers rake in billions of dollars per year, and terrorize the rural community with shootings, gang violence, and trafficking. This massive criminal enterprise operates in the shadows of America's most populous state.

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LaRue leads us to an area across from the pool, where growers have set up a plywood shack and trailer. Inside, he points out the Chinese labels on imported food items, a bowl of chicken feet sitting out in the open, and piles of trash scattered around the floor. Outside the trailer are bags of toxic pesticides with Chinese labelsall banned for use in the U.S.

"As you look around, you see that really, the story is that trash doesn't leave the property, no matter what it is. And you'll see plastic everywhere," he says. "It' s either burned or buried, and it doesn't leave."

LaRue walks us past open sewage pits to a massive hoophouse, a tarp-covered greenhouse made of PVC pipe. The average parcel in Siskiyou uses these structures to raise 2,000 plants, each of which produce between one and five pounds of flower per grow cycle. In the Shasta Vista alone, per LaRue, the total amount of weed grown could top $2 billion a year.

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At the raid, we saw empty vats of chemicals scattered across the property, some of which had Chinese labels. The sheriff told us these were highly toxic pesticides, used, in theory, for tasks like bug prevention. But at least one investigator believes that illegal grows are using chemicals like these as part of a larger plot to poison Americans.

In the early years of his marijuana farm raids, LaRue often found hundreds of mylar bags of Chinese-labeled products. At first, his office assumed these were household products. It wasn't until an agent translated some labels in 2023, he said, that law-enforcement discovered that the bags littering grow sites contain toxic fumigants.

LaRue contacted CalEPA with Siskiyou's discovery of illegal pesticides. Law-enforcement officers also reported symptoms of exposure to poisonous chemicals. Authorities called in help from the National Guard unit that analyzes chemical agents to identify the pesticides. What they endured, LaRue said, should have been enough for the state to classify the Shasta Vista as a Superfund site.

The chemicals have injured multiple emergency responders. In one case, firefighters encountered pesticides at a grow site and suffered chemical burns. In another case, law enforcement personnel accidentally walked into an active fumigation on a marijuana farm. They suffered respiratory symptoms and were hospitalized.

Siskiyou County authorities have documented dozens of "mystery" chemicals at these sites, some of which are carcinogens, groundwater pollutants, and toxic air contaminantsand none of which, per LaRue, are approved for fumigation use in California.

Methomyl is one restricted compound found in pesticides in Siskiyou. Almost all methomyl products are restricted-use pesticides, according to the federal EPA, because they can cause respiratory paralysis or death. Other states have applied that label to methomyl products because of their toxicity; in Michigan, methomyl was used to kill animals like skunks, opossums, and raccoons.

These compounds just scratch the surface of what investigators have found. They've also discovered organochlorine pesticides like pentachloronitrobenzene, a soil fungicide that can cause convulsions, coma, pulmonary edema, and myoclonic jerking movements; pyrethroid insecticides like cypermethrin and lambda-cyhalothrin, which can cause coma and seizures within 20 minutes of exposure; and the pyrrole insecticide chlorfenapyr, which can cause convulsions, seizures, and cardiac arrest.

If the growers were interested in killing insects, they could go to the local Home Depot and buy a commercial insecticide, Rob Roggeveen, national coordinator at HIDTA's Marijuana Impact Group, said. His theory? Chinese masterminds may intentionally inject lethal chemicals into the plant as a form of "chemical warfare" against the United States.

"This stuff is definitely being sent here to poison the plant that then gets ingested by the consumer," Roggeveen said. "And what better way to do it than on a product that's not going to get you right away? It' s going to take time for it to fester in the body."

"It's chemical warfare at its finest," he added.


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Other than it's not helpful to link a suspect article and then include a wall of text with no summary, I am struggling to how an illegal Chinese grow operation in California is impacting legal marijuana production and retail.

Can the OP share more on the connection? Now Oklahoma has some actual issues with Chinese overtaking local licensed growers and getting their weed into the "legal" supply which has resulted in many shunning OK weed as it's not okay.

Like with AI, the article is straight up fear porn designed to trick low information folks into being against something because someone told them lies about it being bad.

Folks, do your own research on any drugs you consume, particularly ones prescribed by compensated physicians and supported by billion dollar ad campaigns.
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The Chinese aspect of it probably wasn't high on the list but the notion that legalization would somehow remove the black market aspect from the equation was always utterly laughable and, as you stated, completely predictable.

Drugs have had as much to do with the decay of this country as anything…and may be higher on the list than I'm giving them credit for.

That's a portion of the populace that I will never support or have any sympathy for. Absolute destructive losers.
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flown-the-coop said:

Other than it's not helpful to link a suspect article and then include a wall of text with no summary, I am struggling to how an illegal Chinese grow operation in California is impacting legal marijuana production and retail.

Can the OP share more on the connection? Now Oklahoma has some actual issues with Chinese overtaking local licensed growers and getting their weed into the "legal" supply which has resulted in many shunning OK weed as it's not okay.

Like with AI, the article is straight up fear porn designed to trick low information folks into being against something because someone told them lies about it being bad.

Folks, do your own research on any drugs you consume, particularly ones prescribed by compensated physicians and supported by billion dollar ad campaigns.

City Journal is not a suspect source. They do good reporting.

What would constitute a "good summary" in your view? I thought I nailed it.
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"Legalization turns into a bonanza for illegal gangs".

How does an illegal grower part of "legalization"?

And if California, like OK, are not policing their legal growers effectively, then how would they have ever hoped to police illegal growers?

Anybody writing such an article is doing so with an agenda. Just because in this instance is a more conservative agenda does not mean it's free from bias and not a piece of propaganda - which this article is biased, poorly presents and misframes an issue in order to further a specific agenda.
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flown-the-coop said:

"Legalization turns into a bonanza for illegal gangs".

How does an illegal grower part of "legalization"?

And if California, like OK, are not policing their legal growers effectively, then how would they have ever hoped to police illegal growers?


The point is that a problem was made worse.
And it's the least surprising thing ever. 100% foreseeable by everyone who isn't a pothead or Libertarian.
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flown-the-coop said:

"Legalization turns into a bonanza for illegal gangs".

How does an illegal grower part of "legalization"?

And if California, like OK, are not policing their legal growers effectively, then how would they have ever hoped to police illegal growers?

In California, it's difficult to prove an illegal farm, and the penalties are small -- only a misdemeanor. Basically, the illegal growers are working behind the camouflage provided by the legal market.
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Hank the Grifter said:

flown-the-coop said:

"Legalization turns into a bonanza for illegal gangs".

How does an illegal grower part of "legalization"?

And if California, like OK, are not policing their legal growers effectively, then how would they have ever hoped to police illegal growers?


The point is that a problem was made worse.
And it's the least surprising thing ever. 100% foreseeable by everyone who isn't a pothead or Libertarian.

How did it make it worse? How?
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twk said:

flown-the-coop said:

"Legalization turns into a bonanza for illegal gangs".

How does an illegal grower part of "legalization"?

And if California, like OK, are not policing their legal growers effectively, then how would they have ever hoped to police illegal growers?

In California, it's difficult to prove an illegal farm, and the penalties are small -- only a misdemeanor. Basically, the illegal growers are working behind the camouflage provided by the legal market.

Difficult to prove an illegal farm? The penalties are small for small growers, not for at scale guys.

And you do realize substantial grow operations in California have been a thing for over 50 years.
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grapesoda response incoming in 5, 4, 3...
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GROW YOUR OWN WEED
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Ha! I was about to post that it isn't OFFICIALLY a weed thread until grapesoda weighs in!
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Fear porn.

It takes 8 years and billions of dollars of research to get a pesticide labeled to use on a crop. Each individual crop. Since cannabis is not a legal crop at the federal level, there are very few chemicals labeled to use on it. The fear mongering accusations of intentionally poisoning people is laughable. They are trying to protect their crop… An illegal crop it may be. In California they demonize pesticide users more that illegal drug traffickers anyway.
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
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This is why it should be federally legalized and heavily regulated. You're not getting rid of weed any time soon and I would rather the potheads not be poisoned by the chinese.
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I had a plant like that on my porch at Willowick apartments in the late 90's. Damn tomatoes.
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Hank the Grifter said:

The Chinese aspect of it probably wasn't high on the list but the notion that legalization would somehow remove the black market aspect from the equation was always utterly laughable and, as you stated, completely predictable.

Especially when you tax it so damn high like CA and CO do. Pretty much only the rich and "weed tourists" buy legally there.
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Hank the Grifter said:

flown-the-coop said:

"Legalization turns into a bonanza for illegal gangs".

How does an illegal grower part of "legalization"?

And if California, like OK, are not policing their legal growers effectively, then how would they have ever hoped to police illegal growers?


The point is that a problem was made worse.
And it's the least surprising thing ever. 100% foreseeable by everyone who isn't a pothead or Libertarian.

How do we know it's worse? You think mexican cartels were following OSHA standards?

Buy it legally and you're good.

But down here, it's illegal so you cannot buy legit, tested product...have to rely on the cartels and other shady groups. Brilliant.
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I have no clue about connecting Chinese weed farms to legalized weed ops, but these illegal farms out in rural Califonia have been a thing for many years. This is not a new issue.
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Something about the Opium wars comes to mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars
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flown-the-coop said:

Other than it's not helpful to link a suspect article and then include a wall of text with no summary, I am struggling to how an illegal Chinese grow operation in California is impacting legal marijuana production and retail.

Can the OP share more on the connection? Now Oklahoma has some actual issues with Chinese overtaking local licensed growers and getting their weed into the "legal" supply which has resulted in many shunning OK weed as it's not okay.

Like with AI, the article is straight up fear porn designed to trick low information folks into being against something because someone told them lies about it being bad.

Folks, do your own research on any drugs you consume, particularly ones prescribed by compensated physicians and supported by billion dollar ad campaigns.

OK, keep in mind, I'm totally against weed (legal or otherwise) but, knowing a lot of users, I realize it isn't going away.

In early August, I went to a Ben Bankas stand-up show in Plano (and actually got on his crowd work YouTube from the show) and wound up sitting next to a commercial weed grower from Oklahoma.

Weed grower guy explained to me about all the challenges with getting a license to get your weed into the legal weed system. He told me about his friend in Seattle who bought up a lot of licenses so that he could legally grow in Washington. And then the guy came to Oklahoma to do the same thing.

This grower guy went on to tell me about all the crazy varieties and premium weed products available in Seattle but said that in Oklahoma, their buyers aren't as particular. He said that in Oklahoma, all they care about is price per pound. So you could make the best weed in the world and nobody in Oklahoma is willing to pay for it.

He also talked about how difficult it was to get a license in Oklahoma and that his friend couldn't get the licenses they need so he told me that had to burn in the field something like 1,000 plants. Several thousands of pounds of weed.

He said there was no way for them to get it into the legal system without an Oklahoma license. Obviously they couldn't transport it between states either. So he burned his crop and left Oklahoma.

Anyway, it was a very interesting conversation. I learned a lot.

But, if the Chinese are in Oklahoma, that explains the price per pound metric versus my LA friends who were all about some particular strain or whatever.
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Hank the Grifter said:

flown-the-coop said:

"Legalization turns into a bonanza for illegal gangs".

How does an illegal grower part of "legalization"?

And if California, like OK, are not policing their legal growers effectively, then how would they have ever hoped to police illegal growers?


The point is that a problem was made worse.
And it's the least surprising thing ever. 100% foreseeable by everyone who isn't a pothead or Libertarian.


Yes, anyone and everyone that uses marijuana is a pothead. It's used either every day or none of the time by people, no in between.
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NE PA Ag said:

Hank the Grifter said:

flown-the-coop said:

"Legalization turns into a bonanza for illegal gangs".

How does an illegal grower part of "legalization"?

And if California, like OK, are not policing their legal growers effectively, then how would they have ever hoped to police illegal growers?


The point is that a problem was made worse.
And it's the least surprising thing ever. 100% foreseeable by everyone who isn't a pothead or Libertarian.


Yes, anyone and everyone that uses marijuana is a pothead. It's used either every day or none of the time by people, no in between.

If that's not a projection I don't know what is.
Your little tirade responded to exactly nothing I wrote.
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Hardcore Greg said:

Hank the Grifter said:

flown-the-coop said:

"Legalization turns into a bonanza for illegal gangs".

How does an illegal grower part of "legalization"?

And if California, like OK, are not policing their legal growers effectively, then how would they have ever hoped to police illegal growers?


The point is that a problem was made worse.
And it's the least surprising thing ever. 100% foreseeable by everyone who isn't a pothead or Libertarian.

How do we know it's worse? You think mexican cartels were following OSHA standards?

Buy it legally and you're good.

But down here, it's illegal so you cannot buy legit, tested product...have to rely on the cartels and other shady groups. Brilliant.

Missing the point entirely. But that's not surprising.
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flown-the-coop said:

Hank the Grifter said:

flown-the-coop said:

"Legalization turns into a bonanza for illegal gangs".

How does an illegal grower part of "legalization"?

And if California, like OK, are not policing their legal growers effectively, then how would they have ever hoped to police illegal growers?


The point is that a problem was made worse.
And it's the least surprising thing ever. 100% foreseeable by everyone who isn't a pothead or Libertarian.

How did it make it worse? How?

Did you read the story? And that's just one aspect of it. What purpose does being willfully ignorant here serve? It certainly doesn't rally anyone to your cause.
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Colorado has gotten massively cheaper with consolidation at the retail level.
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Hank the Grifter said:

Hardcore Greg said:

Hank the Grifter said:

flown-the-coop said:

"Legalization turns into a bonanza for illegal gangs".

How does an illegal grower part of "legalization"?

And if California, like OK, are not policing their legal growers effectively, then how would they have ever hoped to police illegal growers?


The point is that a problem was made worse.
And it's the least surprising thing ever. 100% foreseeable by everyone who isn't a pothead or Libertarian.

How do we know it's worse? You think mexican cartels were following OSHA standards?

Buy it legally and you're good.

But down here, it's illegal so you cannot buy legit, tested product...have to rely on the cartels and other shady groups. Brilliant.

Missing the point entirely. But that's not surprising.


No, I'm not. In states where it is legal, you at least have access to legitimate, fully tested product that is not contaminated or compromised. In this state, you are at the mercy of the cartels to do everything the right away and care about your health.

Can you imagine people thinking it was safer to drink backwoods moonshine during prohibition vs legally distilled and controlled product?
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Texas refined weed products are available after a simple consult with your preferred healthcare provider.

No flower in Texas.

BTW - how much retail flower in Cali is grown in Cali? My understanding is many of these are not even growing in state but honestly I have not confirmed or looked at it more closely.

Montana seems to regulate with a nice balance of freedom and oversight and those buying retail weed have enough regular customers that selling Chinese contaminated bullshizzle would be exposed quickly.

This isn't buying fentanyl from a street dealer in legal states.
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flown-the-coop said:

Texas refined weed products are available after a simple consult with your preferred healthcare provider.


He's definitely been told that in other threads and continues with the same arguments. He's missing out.
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Clean] weed.
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They and the county's other illegal growers rake in billions of dollars per year

How much weed is that? How does it compare with the tonnage of legal weed grown?
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this can all be solved by

Banning pot.

Everywhere.

and now the super secret evil Chinese ninjas cannot poison you.

hth

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