Anthropic CEO says AI needs to be slowed down

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The insiders are saying this can get dangerous. Elon agrees. Is this a strategy by the big guys to create regulations to keep out competition now that they are big enough? Our geriatric politicians have no clue what's happening. Either China develops this or we trust the American AI companies to develop this. Either way seems like we're effed.





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Altman is such a slimy POS that I am sure he will be bribing any such "independent auditors" to rule in his favor always.


he has been adamant about how everything should be PRO AI; this heel turn is most definitely an effort at misdirection to appear contrite while continuing to do whatever he wants.
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Ok. Then slow down. Nothing is stopping him.
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Sheldon Cooper said this could happen.

He said the ATMs would be the gateway.
If you don't have anything nice to say about anybody, come sit by me.
ErnestEndeavor
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Doom trolling.

They want to agree to a "slow down" because they are all losing money. The promises they keep making about the future of AI are complete BS. The hype train is slowing down.

Stop viewing these AI CEOs as honest people because they are not. The guy making waves around the media right now expressing concern (Coxon) is an obvious plant with extensive media training.

This is a pre-planned coordinated public persuasion campaign, either to win more public support for government bailouts or for other reasons.

The technology these companies have developed and are developing is not capable of the catastrophic things they claim to be worried about. This is straight out of the Silicon Valley rationalist cult and it has gotten very old.
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Wallstreet guys and Tech investors like David Sacks and Brad Gerstner says nothing to worry about. Obviously they are upset about the IPOs delayed.





Bernie Sanders and Ted Lieu are pro regulation and slow down





Trump is pro AI and not slowing



The money guys and Trump admin are pro AI. I don't think anything will happen. And the AI companies even if they think this is dangerous, won't voluntarily slow down if their competition won't slow down.


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He doesn't deny it.
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ErnestEndeavor said:

Doom trolling.

They want to agree to a "slow down" because they are all losing money. The promises they keep making about the future of AI are complete BS. The hype train is slowing down.

Stop viewing these AI CEOs as honest people because they are not. The guy making waves around the media right now expressing concern (Coxon) is an obvious plant with extensive media training.

This is a pre-planned coordinated public persuasion campaign, either to win more public support for government bailouts or for other reasons.

The technology these companies have developed and are developing is not capable of the catastrophic things they claim to be worried about. This is straight out of the Silicon Valley rationalist cult and it has gotten very old.



If they were just losing money, they wouldn't need a press campaign. They'd cut spend and the market would slow them down for free. If they're burning cash they should be racing, not asking everybody to tap the brakes.

The rest of your post... "plant, media training, rationalist cult, the tech can't actually do anything" - is just noise on top of your core argument that doesn't make sense.
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AI is the next Industrial Revolution. AI is the number one thing discussed by executives in the boardroom. AI is what is driving the US economy. AI is what's going to transform life as we know it.

This should be what the election is about.

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Thread title s/b "Anthropic CEO / former programmer / etc says wild arse thing to keep AI in the news simultaneously asking Congress to act then lobbying them with millions not to act and following Chinas lead on data centers to make Americans think there are boogeymen behind every RJ-45 jack"…
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Psyop.
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When will China slow down their AI development?
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Dan Scott said:

AI is the next Industrial Revolution. AI is the number one thing discussed by executives in the boardroom. AI is what is driving the US economy. AI is what's going to transform life as we know it.

This should be what the election is about.



Correct on your first paragraph.

If libs have their way, AI is going to be captured and strangled.
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AI insiders warn that the technology could destroy humanity. But when regulation is proposed, the response is that we can't slow down because China won't.

So we're admitting the danger is real, yet accelerating anyway because we're afraid of falling behind. What exactly is the end game? An AI arms race that becomes this century's nuclear arms race with peace depending on mutually assured destruction?

If that's the case then why shouldn't government fund it like they did the development of conventional weapons?
ErnestEndeavor
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Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said the "tech can't do anything." The tech is fine. Generative AI is useful. It can boost productivity under certain circumstances and has good use cases. It has been fear marketed by a bunch of SV weirdos to be something it isn't, it is continuing to be used to unnecessarily scare people for the gain of these weirdos, and I'm sick of it.

THESE particular sociopathic LLM company CEOs are part of the Silicon Valley rationalist movement and have been believing their own farts about AI doomsday for a very long time. They are not gods, they are not prophets, they are cultish weirdos and for whatever reason love to troll fear onto the public.

What their tech can't do is take over the world or kill all humans. The types of AI these companies are creating don't even know what a human is or that the world even exists.

Coxon worked for Anthropic for six weeks and got an "exclusive" interview with the WSJ. He's on a media tour. He's had media training. This is not a real issue. They are wanting a slowdown for other reasons.

My assumption is they want a government-induced slowdown so they can blame their financials on the slowdown and beg the government for a bailout. They blame their inevitable crash on the slowdown either way.

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1. Allows them to throttle their costs.
2. Pulls the ladder up after them.

I'm wary any time any big player in any industry calls for regulation.
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I'd rather we cancel social media.
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Claude! said:

1. Allows them to throttle their costs.
2. Pulls the ladder up after them.

I'm wary any time any big player in any industry calls for regulation.


User name checks out.
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Weekend markets aren't really reacting. It's a big week with fed decison on rates. I actually think this is bullish because nobody is stopping and in a way they are saying how awesome they are. Delaying the IPO is supportive of existing stocks because the market doesn't have to absorb a large amount of new equity supply

To make it political, if this is the catalyst to pop the AI bubble 2 months before election then Rs are really in trouble. Lots of new debt and crazy valuations for non profitable companies. If Wallstreet postpones future expected cash flows there will be a massive rerating of values.
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Agreed. Social media has been one of the worst things for society ever.
ErnestEndeavor
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I hadn't thought of the election but it does seem awfully convenient timing. They know they can fearmonger the public to get the government to act in a way they want.
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ErnestEndeavor said:

Doom trolling.

They want to agree to a "slow down" because they are all losing money. The promises they keep making about the future of AI are complete BS. The hype train is slowing down.

Stop viewing these AI CEOs as honest people because they are not. The guy making waves around the media right now expressing concern (Coxon) is an obvious plant with extensive media training.

This is a pre-planned coordinated public persuasion campaign, either to win more public support for government bailouts or for other reasons.

The technology these companies have developed and are developing is not capable of the catastrophic things they claim to be worried about. This is straight out of the Silicon Valley rationalist cult and it has gotten very old.


While I am suspicious of Altman and Dario's motives for going as far as they seem to be now, this is head in the sand thinking in regard to dismissing the threat AI poses to human existence, and that is not a new concern. Can they end us today? No. Could they end us in the near future? Very possible.

In regards to motivation, my guess is that the big AI model players are more concerned about de-risking their own trajectory here and this newfound epiphany that it's time to start doing something is being put forth because they are all now big enough and advanced enough that they can cooperate to crowd out competition and ensure each other's success.

When do frontier companies across history start asking for regulations and guardrails? Usually once the oligopoly at the top of the industry has found its footing and established a clear advantage with resources and technological advancement.

As for what AI is capable of, Musk has been screaming about the dangers of AI for many years now. And like most things, he is way ahead of the times (and his own timelines are usually overly optimistic about the speed of innovation), and now what he was warning about is finally starting to surface, albeit in ways that have so far been less than catastrophic. But a model jumping out of its training environment and into the living internet of things is a recipe for disaster, and it doesn't take some scraggly faced, cheetos crumbs nerd in the basement of anthropic's research department to figure that out anymore.

In a world that is evolving to robotics and drones and already has electrical & financial systems that are all reachable wirelessly, it's not a big jump to conclude that advanced level compute is a major threat to society in the wrong hands OR as it approaches the point to where it is starting to reason on its own without humans training it.

Plug in a prompt to any of the major models and ask it to share its thought process, or watch it reason in real time. It is a bit unsettling.
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China isn't going to slow down. We better not either. Do you want Chinese Terminators over here killing us without our own Terminators to fight them?

AI is like the Manhattan Project. If Hitler got the bomb first, Americans would all either be dead or speaking German..

No slowing down! Always do the opposite of what Bernie and the democrats are for.
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Sam and Dario want controls because it will slow down their competition. They want to be a two player monopoly.
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boulderaggie said:

Agreed. Social media has been one of the worst things for society ever.
Absolutely .
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Chemistry happens and eventually the rocks get opinions...
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Funky Winkerbean said:

I'd rather we cancel social media.

There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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Whole thing is wild at this point. WSJ today is absolutely frightening if this isn't a big psyop.

Lead article this morning: "AI can now solve our biggest math problems and kill us all."

Wild stuff.
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When the CEO says we need to pace the frontier models, I'm hearing him say, we're burning cash at an unsustainable rate for incremental gains and the debt will crush us before we can monetize it.
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Ha. Both can be true.
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Elon doubles down.

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This seems like a blatant violation of the Sherman Act.
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The rumor is Google created RSI last week…
Logos Stick
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If they're going to crash, they can blame compute costs, China, open source, whatever. They don't need a whole "pace the frontier" campaign and a guy on a media tour to do that. Companies invent excuses every day without asking the government to slow the whole industry down.

A government slowdown only helps them if it also locks the other labs and the open-source stuff in place, or if they actually think a bailout is coming. That's a big assumption. Congress writing checks because Claude's P&L looks bad is a hell of a leap.
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