People have forgotten what a bad economy is even like or have never really experienced one. We've had some hiccups the last 2-3 decades but extreme government intervention and manipulation has blunted the worst effects.

We have an inflation hangover and only moderate growth with a few particular pressures but people perceive it as bad when it could be far worse looking at truly bad economic history

Did he say he'd get it done in 2 years?

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Not setting up well for the midterms if you're a Republican.

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How was the Consumer Outlook when the marxists were running the country?

Americans have the attention span of a door knob

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That survey I linked in the OP provides a view of how consumers feel. Whether you agree with them or not, that is how they see the world. The R party ignores it as its own peril. And it upsets me because it means the Dems are likely to gain control and continue advancing their socialist agenda. Whereas if our leaders in the R party could be just a little more dialed into reality and communicate better and honestly with voters, they would stand of better chance of retaining power.

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I think this is a little more nuanced. While I agree with you that the messaging and concern is being poorly handled when it should be mostly a layup, the swimming against the media tide is very hard to overcome. If it bleeds, it leads. The messages bombarding the stupid liberals is slanted to the woe is me side. Even a thoughtful and balanced message is hard to convey against that.

I'm doing better than ever and the people I interact with daily are all doing very well. No doubt there are some people struggling, but that is always occurring. Some with actual issues, a lot of others that are self-inflicted. So while the Republicans should be putting out much better messaging for the public, there is a big chunk that could be led to water, but then flatly refuse to drink because they think the water is poisoned.

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And people will vote for communism and make it even worse.

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I have nothing good to say about the Democrat party, but Trump is promising $5k checks if he wins and is also looking to create a new stay at-home mom entitlement (I get some money is already lying around that can pay for it for some time, but this is a camel's nose in the tent action). If you have to act like a communist be beat the communists, that's not much of a victory.

We've all seen this quote, but we're 100% at this stage now: A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

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Agree with all. The $5K check dividend is tard idiocy. I noticed that Vance was already walking that down immediately after the convention with caveats and conditions because he knows it's stupid, but he can't go fully against his boss.

Yes, let's add a new $1.2T spending program on top of our already $2T annual deficit.

Brilliant!

All I know is that tax rates are going up no matter what. Just had our quarterly meeting yesterday with FA and we are doing Roth conversions as much as we can here forward to help mitigate that eventuality.

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And people will vote for communism and make it even worse.

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To quote "Orange Cheeto"..."what do you have to lose?"

Trump was supposed to bring a "Golden Age" not another type of "golden", which is how life post EO has been.

Call it rain if you want, but the color and smell say otherwise.

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I can only imagine how much worse things would be had mamala been elected.

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We've given progressivism a chance, recently: Biden & Obama

We've given liberalism a chance, recently, twice by the same guy: Trump

Maybe we should try some conservative policy for a change.

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I'm with you man. WTF ever happened with DOGE? Was that all just for show?

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It was always limited to a sliver of Discretionary spend and was never going to change the trajectory of our spending. The math was never there for it to do that.

However, it did expose massive money laundering and grift by mostly Democrats via USAID. That will all come back under a Dem POTUS though.

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Did he say he'd get it done in 2 years?

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Im convinced he doesn't understand linear time.

2 weeks to slow the spread
2 weeks to defeat Iran
Etc
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Time is relative, not linear.

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jejdag said:

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Did he say he'd get it done in 2 years?

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Im convinced he doesn't understand linear time.

2 weeks to slow the spread
2 weeks to defeat Iran
Etc
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I just laughed out loud when I read, "he doesn't understand linear time."

Thanks, amigo. I needed that.

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BigRobSA said:

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jejdag said:

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Did he say he'd get it done in 2 years?

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Im convinced he doesn't understand linear time.

2 weeks to slow the spread
2 weeks to defeat Iran
Etc
Etc

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Time is relative, not linear.

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Time is a flat circle.

I see this, but find it sort of inaccurate. It is people who are doing ok simply envious of people doing better because all economic growth has a Pareto distribution in allocation. People who make good or fortunate choices do very well, and those who are unfortunate or reckless get themselves stuck near zero. They can see the divergence but they presume corruption and cheating versus the fact that these distributions are narutal and inevitable over time, and the goal is to aim at being higher on that distribution with better personal choices.

Even in Marxist systems, the party leaders and officers and Nomenklatura receive and grow a disproportionate access to wealth and luxuries that they can grow as they grow their political power. It always applies.

The actual quality of life right now is better for almost everyone than It has ever been in the past due to advancing technology continuously making expensive luxuries into cheap and commonplace things over time. Our poor today live a quality of life and health better than the wealthiest a century ago.

I'm not discounting short term problems but rather noting that the perspective on what constitutes difficulties, struggles, and suffering is very distorted and is only getting moreso as people see a distorted fake divisl media impression of the eorld instead of reality.

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I'll never vote for a Democrat, but I think team red could do a better job of being dialed into the concerns of average people instead of constantly trying to spin a message that everything is hunky dory.

Hubris is a powerful drug. The Dems fall prey to it when they're in power also and think everybody loves them. It's what drives the yo-yo of political power back and forth between the parties. They all get too big for their britches. A little bit of realism and truth acknowledgement would serve them well with voters. Most people don't expect their leaders to be perfect, but they do expect them to be honest with them about the current situation and the plan for making things better.

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You want the epitome of a "land acknowledgement" before Trump gives any speech.

When people admit its them that's petty and not just Trump, we can get somewhere.

This is the equivalent of being mad about mean tweets.

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jejdag said:

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Did he say he'd get it done in 2 years?

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Im convinced he doesn't understand linear time.

2 weeks to slow the spread
2 weeks to defeat Iran
Etc
Etc

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Time is relative, not linear.

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It's both, depending on perspective. But I'm not going to geek out in physics on this thread.

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Not even close.

We have a K-shaped economy. People with cash buying $700k homes that were priced $900k two years ago.

Meanwhile, first time home buyers are literally non-existent. Gone. There is not market. Largest gap between homes available on the market and buyer on record.

The top is maintaining. The bottom is in depression. The middle is slowly declining.

Data that tried to lump it all together is missing the picture. The bottom and middle make up almost the entire country. Sentiment is showing that.

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I'm not an Economics grad so I had to look up this K-shaped economy. Became popular coming out of Covid. Interesting that we have the same divergence of people getting along with their lives and a separate faction that is struggling.

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Not setting up well for the midterms if you're a Republican.

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How was the Consumer Outlook when the marxists were running the country?

Americans have the attention span of a door knob

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Its the ongoing influence of MSM propaganda and Chinese supplied domestic social influence.

When the Chicom delegates i.e. the Hate Americans are in charge they have a complicit MSM and algorithms to run a nonstop gaslight of how great things are. When those who love America and wish to make it great again are in charge, the flow is reversed.

Its not any more complicated than that.

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flown-the-coop said:

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jejdag said:

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Did he say he'd get it done in 2 years?

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Im convinced he doesn't understand linear time.

2 weeks to slow the spread
2 weeks to defeat Iran
Etc
Etc

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Time is relative, not linear.

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It's both, depending on perspective. But I'm not going to geek out in physics on this thread.

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If it depends on perspective, its automatically relative.

You don't need physics to understand that. Its why Trump is expert at this as well.

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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Not even close.

We have a K-shaped economy. People with cash buying $700k homes that were priced $900k two years ago.

Meanwhile, first time home buyers are literally non-existent. Gone. There is not market. Largest gap between homes available on the market and buyer on record.

The top is maintaining. The bottom is in depression. The middle is slowly declining.

Data that tried to lump it all together is missing the picture. The bottom and middle make up almost the entire country. Sentiment is showing that.

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I'm not an Economics grad so I had to look up this K-shaped economy. Became popular coming out of Covid. Interesting that we have the same divergence of people getting along with their lives and a separate faction that is struggling.

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K-shaped anything is a completely made-up construct by those trying to convince more and more people of their suffering.

You could make a case the 2025 Aggie football team had a K shape season. Lots of winning then losing. From there you can make folks feel great about the wins and awful about the losses. It makes no sense to describe it as a K, same as it makes no sense to describe an overall economic trend as a K.

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Agree with all. The $5K check dividend is tard idiocy. I noticed that Vance was already walking that down immediately after the convention with caveats and conditions because he knows it's stupid, but he can't go fully against his boss.

Yes, let's add a new $1.2T spending program on top of our already $2T annual deficit.

Brilliant!

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Not to mention he did this while his guy Bessent is fighting a David versus Goliath battle against the bond market by trying to get rates down. One of the reasons the yields on the long dated notes are climbing is that the market sees the debt (specifically its interest burden) becoming a problem, and it doesn't think the government is taking it seriously. Promising naked, trillion dollar cash giveaways only reinforces their opinion. So this probably made Bessent's job harder, and Bessent is fighting this battle because Trump is pissed by climbing rates!

It's not a coherent set of policies. His actions in one arena make his goals in another harder to achieve.