https://student-rules.tamu.edu/appendix-xi/

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We need some football players with the same thinking to show up with them.

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No. Just play ball and win nattys.

They described it in the video as an RHA event.

President and Interim Advisor here: https://rha.tamu.edu/executive-board/

I agree with the message of these guys....but if someone else rented out the property that day, it seems legal they can be excluded.

If I rented out a meeting room at the MSC, couldn't I control who shows up?

Best I can tell, they were being asked to move a few feet, not miles away

While I totally agree with their goal, I think that group is short sighted. They oppose incremental abortion restrictions. They want it all right now. It is a somewhat understandable position but I think it rejects progress in the pursuit of perfection.

larryj41 said:

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They are doing the Lord's work and have every right to be there. We need some football players with the same thinking to show up with them. Are there any conservative universities anymore, other than maybe Hiilsdale?

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LOL

I agree with them, but they are looking for clicks.

My wife and I were on a 3 day vacation in Boston last month. There had to have been 100 of these guys in the touristy spots. We saw the main guy 2-3 times walking around and didn't see him conversing with anyone but he did have 2-3 people hiding nearby with cameras on him.

We were walking down a sidewalk, and a few of them were talking to some frat guys. Blocking the whole sidewalk. We slipped through, and got one of them chirping at me saying "he we are having an important conversation here". Just looking to instigate.

I like what they are doing, but it made me question their motives.

I don't even care anymore, we find a new tribe to die for everyday.

CanyonAg77 said:

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I agree with the message of these guys....but if someone else rented out the property that day, it seems legal they can be excluded.

If I rented out a meeting room at the MSC, couldn't I control who shows up?

Best I can tell, they were being asked to move a few feet, not miles away

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This where I'm at. Well said

CanyonAg77 said:

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I agree with the message of these guys....but if someone else rented out the property that day, it seems legal they can be excluded.

If I rented out a meeting room at the MSC, couldn't I control who shows up?

Best I can tell, they were being asked to move a few feet, not miles away

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Across the street, off university property.

This was not a ticketed event, and it was open to the public. These guys had every right to be there. And that's the point.

People on the right often complain that we don't get our message out. These folks are, and Christian's should be supporting what they're doing.

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While I totally agree with their goal, I think that group is short sighted. They oppose incremental abortion restrictions. They want it all right now. It is a somewhat understandable position but I think it rejects progress in the pursuit of perfection.

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I have watched a lot of their videos. Their short term goal is to engage people so they will stop regurgitating talking points and recognize unborn humans.

They point out that it is not a women's rights or health care issue.

* I have no affiliation with the group or anyone in it. Just FTR

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I agree with the message of these guys....but if someone else rented out the property that day, it seems legal they can be excluded.

If I rented out a meeting room at the MSC, couldn't I control who shows up?

Best I can tell, they were being asked to move a few feet, not miles away

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Incorrect. They rented the space to be able to setup additional structures and carry out nontraditional activities in the park. It is still a public forum and public property.

Similar to a farmers market or parade getting a city to shutdown a street for an event. They've paid for the additional use, but they cannot limit free speech.

There's a lot of precedent on this and currently why Fort Worth PD is getting raked over the coals with a DoJ inquiry.

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Across the street, off university property.

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The campus has changed a lot since my day, so I can't tell you exactly where that is on campus.

But I feel certain that anywhere that you can see Rudder Tower that clearly....across the street is still university property.

EDIT: did a little Googling, and Google Maps. They were in Aggie Park, just east of Kyle Field. If they had told them to go backwards, 180 degrees from the camera direction, it would be about 1000-1200 feet before they would be off university property.

They were asking them to go west, towards Kyle Field. Had they moved that direction, it would be about 5 miles before they were off of university property. And at least a mile to the north or east.

Note: this is using the A&M Campus direction of North, which is really Northeast. It's really bothersome to we nerds who know which direction north is.

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Incorrect. They rented the space to be able to setup additional structures and carry out nontraditional activities in the park. It is still a public forum and public property.

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I see your point.

I guess it's like megaphone guy, who used to infest every Aggie football home game.

Could be why Kampus Kops didn't show up.

Turns the discussion from can they be there, to should they be there.

OK. Regardless, they didn't like the message, so they wanted them to move somewhere where fewer people would see them. That's the go to move. Not unlike telling people you can tell the truth about Covid, just nowhere on the internet.

We have to demand free speech on public college campuses. Young people need to be exposed to different ideas, not just the radical left BS that many college professors are pumping out there. People need to be taught HOW to think, not what to think.

And parents need to be teaching their kids at home.

They absolutely SHOULD be there.

I didn't watch the video nor do I plan to but I've seen videos of people trying to do their free speech in public spaces where said space has been "rented."

I dont think someone renting some traditional public space like a town square, park or other open air space should trump another's free speech rights. It just be rented subject to rights of others to use it, especially if the event is a non ticketed, free and open to anyone

Nothing animates the left like they desire and ability to murder babies.

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The lady from Residential Life "has no problem" with denying their First Amendmnent right to free speech.

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Typical ResLife. Back in the 80s Davis-Gary was a mens dorm with a rowdy reputation. A couple of friends of mine were in a group that got asked to go find another place to live. ResLife created some sort of kangaroo court to get rid of them. Totally unfair process.

You should watch it. It's brief. The abolitionist guy is just standing on the edge of the space, out of the way, with a sign, having quiet conversation. Other than being there, he isn't making a scene, and he's certainly not interfering with whatever activity student life had going on.

To be fair, the women who told him to leave were polite, they were just adamant that he did not have the right to be there. And they told him police would come to remove him, but they didn't, because he was within his rights.

You can be sure that the women only had an issue because of his message. Imagine being mad because someone is peacefully protecting human life. Merrick Garland would have had him arrested.

Communists define hurty words as violence so they can police hurty words with force and enforce their belief system.

Old strategy.

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I agree with them, but they are looking for clicks.

My wife and I were on a 3 day vacation in Boston last month. There had to have been 100 of these guys in the touristy spots. We saw the main guy 2-3 times walking around and didn't see him conversing with anyone but he did have 2-3 people hiding nearby with cameras on him.

We were walking down a sidewalk, and a few of them were talking to some frat guys. Blocking the whole sidewalk. We slipped through, and got one of them chirping at me saying "he we are having an important conversation here". Just looking to instigate.

I like what they are doing, but it made me question their motives.

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Literally I would have told them to "**** off", For the clicks, ya know.

It's been stated and discussed before...
The University has pretty well defined rules and procedures in place for reserving and using spaces on Campus for events, rally's, protests, and everything that can broadly be defined as "speech." The rules and procedures are not to limit or restrict but to coordinate.

I don't know all of the in's and out's as I've never had need or opportunity to go through the process.

Obviously you cannot just show up and start a protest or demonstration outside a dorm at 2am. Or host a concert across from classrooms during lectures or finals. Both extreme examples that fall outside established reasonable restrictions. The University does have spaces that are designated for events of that nature and accommodation is made for them with proper planning.

I'm going to assume that ResLife had everything in place to use the space. Under that assumption that space is theirs for the duration of their reservation for their defined and described purpose.

The relevant question is whether this pro Life group had also gone through the appropriate channels and procedures to use the space as well. Were they inside the space reserved by ResLife or were they just outside of that space? Was their presence on campus coordinated and planned or did they show up spontaneously; ie did the University know they would be there? Yes it's a public state institution, but that doesn't mean it's a 24hour park that is open to just anyone for anything. I don't know the exact language of law or regulation but use of campus property has restrictions.

I'm not defending ResLife. Anyone that lived on Northside is well aware of the stories regarding Davis Gary that were mentioned above. Furthermore, I have a close friend who recently had a University employee admit to him that they were under clear instructions to actively target and remove folks that were active in campus Bonfire after 1999. They aggressively went after Moses Hall in the early 2000's and turned it into Freshman only housing.

Abortion is murder. Those that do it commit murder. Getting pregnant is a two party activity and to conceive and carry a child is a gift from God. Yes I'm conflicted on actions of rape and incest. Getting drunk is not consent, but waking up the next morning and regretting the night before is not rape either. There's some gray area that necessitates nuance. ProLife groups that wish to promote their view on campus must follow campus rules.

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I'm not defending ResLife. Anyone that lived on Northside is well aware of the stories regarding Davis Gary that were mentioned above. Furthermore, I have a close friend who recently had a University employee admit to him that they were under clear instructions to actively target and remove folks that were active in campus Bonfire after 1999. They aggressively went after Moses Hall in the early 2000's and turned it into Freshman only housing.

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Hell, one of my dorm's RA's got fired for supporting Student Bonfire without actively participating.

BTW, RHA (hall councils) is not the same thing as Residence Life (which employs RAs and hall directors).

Who?mikejones! said:

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I didn't watch the video nor do I plan to but I've seen videos of people trying to do their free speech in public spaces where said space has been "rented."

I dont think someone renting some traditional public space like a town square, park or other open air space should trump another's free speech rights. It just be rented subject to rights of others to use it, especially if the event is a non ticketed, free and open to anyone

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Or, if you want your rented event space to be treated as private, put up a fence around it.

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I have been watching a lot of social media videos the last few weeks of Abortion Abolitionists setting up in public spaces to have dialog with people about abortion and why it's wrong.

I am sure they mostly post the negative encounters and those are probably a tiny minority of the interactions they have with the public.

Not surprisingly, white females are the most closed minded people and often tell them to leave. They are often threatened and told to leave public university spaces for all sorts of different reasons.

This particular interaction happened at Texas A&M. Everyone can see who is opposed to free speech on campus:



These abolitionists are doing the Lord's work, and I love that they are using Charlie Kirk's methods of engaging so people can realize how dehumanizing advocating for abortion is.

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They did this back in the early 2000's on campus near the MSC and were met with a bunch of shrieking liberals complaining about how disgusting the images of the babies that they wanted dead were.