tactical question regarding recent Russian attacks on Germany

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I was in Berlin on 4 August, during the first attack at Leipzig. When I heard the first local reports, I thought, "It's surprising to me that they got that thing across so much airspace without having it shot out of the sky."

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German investigators uncovered a third drone and suspected military explosives thought to be connected to an attempted attack on Leipzig airport, local media have reported.
The drone was discovered in Kabelsketal, just to the west of the airport, along with about 50g (1.8oz) of a suspected military explosive on 14 August, 10 days after the unsuccessful sabotage. Leipzig airport is a cargo and military logistics hub used by Nato and Ukraine's Antonov Airlines for transporting military supplies.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/25/germany-drone-suspected-military-explosives-found-near-leipzig-airport

Do you think that the drones are flying in, or that they are being driven into Germany and released?

Also, did this story make the news in America?
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Vestal_Flame said:

I was in Berlin on 4 August, during the first attack at Leipzig. When I heard the first local reports, I thought, "It's surprising to me that they got that thing across so much airspace without having it shot out of the sky."

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German investigators uncovered a third drone and suspected military explosives thought to be connected to an attempted attack on Leipzig airport, local media have reported.
The drone was discovered in Kabelsketal, just to the west of the airport, along with about 50g (1.8oz) of a suspected military explosive on 14 August, 10 days after the unsuccessful sabotage. Leipzig airport is a cargo and military logistics hub used by Nato and Ukraine's Antonov Airlines for transporting military supplies.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/25/germany-drone-suspected-military-explosives-found-near-leipzig-airport

Do you think that the drones are flying in, or that they are being driven into Germany and released?


I imagine it would have been detected on radar if it had been flown in.
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Vestal_Flame said:

Do you think that the drones are flying in, or that they are being driven into Germany and released?

Also, did this story make the news in America?


First I'm hearing about it but I don't watch anything but Texags for my news and weather.
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I trust all euro countries to lie about everything.
If this happened I would not be surprised if it was the moslems instead of the common boogeyman of the Russians.

Let them all fight or die.
Martels Hammer
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From the limited descriptions available.

Why would Russia send low grade drones packed with military grade explosives? If you are going to use hard to source explosives why would you use easy to source lower grade drones? The explosives would indicate state sponsor so using lower grade drones wouldn't throw anyone off the trail.

I can't imagine it was a smuggling issue. So why?
Martels Hammer
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Also the first place my mind went after hearing this story was the pipeline destruction.
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BigRobSA said:

Vestal_Flame said:

Do you think that the drones are flying in, or that they are being driven into Germany and released?

Also, did this story make the news in America?


First I'm hearing about it but I don't watch anything but Texags for my news and weather.

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Martels Hammer said:

From the limited descriptions available.

Why would Russia send low grade drones packed with military grade explosives? If you are going to use hard to source explosives why would you use easy to source lower grade drones? The explosives would indicate state sponsor so using lower grade drones wouldn't throw anyone off the trail.

I can't imagine it was a smuggling issue. So why?

They wouldnt
Rossticus
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samurai_science said:

Martels Hammer said:

From the limited descriptions available.

Why would Russia send low grade drones packed with military grade explosives? If you are going to use hard to source explosives why would you use easy to source lower grade drones? The explosives would indicate state sponsor so using lower grade drones wouldn't throw anyone off the trail.

I can't imagine it was a smuggling issue. So why?

They wouldnt


They do it every day in-theater, hundreds and thousand of times daily. The entire military revolution that's occurred in Ukraine is predicated on delivering death and destruction super cheaply, with lower grade drones in many instances. So, IMO, that line of reasoning is misguided. It may not ultimately be Russia but they certainly can't be excluded based on that line of reasoning.

As of now the consensus of both US and European intelligence appears to be pointing towards it at least being Russian backed, even if it's not a literal Russian doing the work. We'll see where we eventually land on this but it seems to be quite a coincidence that just as these incidents begin, Trump sends Ratcliffe to Russia.
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My only question, is Hugo Boss making the uniforms
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Rossticus
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Lol
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Scruffy said:

I trust all euro countries to lie about everything.
If this happened I would not be surprised if it was the moslems instead of the common boogeyman of the Russians.

Let them all fight or die.


If it has a Russian flag on the drone, it's the Russians, duh!
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Muy, you're getting it wrong. The drones never existed.
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Germany got attacked?

nortex97
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Germany has very porous borders. I doubt any Russian drones are flown all the way from Russia. They also have a lot of Ukrainian refugees (see: nordstream pipeline destruction). The Ratcliffe CIA flight to Moscow probably revolved around some of this crap imho. I don't doubt the Russians are working to 'sabotage' EU arms plants producing munitions for Kiev.

The interdependencies in Europe are as ironic today, and just as significant or even moreso, than they were over a hundred years ago. We just need to get out.
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We just need to get out.


I prefer fighting the Russians and the Chinese on their side of the oceans, rather than our own.

The comparison to 100 years ago is prescient. I don't believe that peace is a choice that is open to us.
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Vestal_Flame said:

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We just need to get out.


I prefer fighting the Russians and the Chinese on their side of the oceans, rather than our own.

The comparison to 100 years ago is prescient. I don't believe that peace is a choice that is open to us.

What Russian threats do we face? I'm not aware of any, outside of the inflated claims of Christopher Steele/HRC/Obama etc (which were all lies). If the Brits/Germans want to produce/share long range munitions to strike their gas station to the east that's on them.

It's absurd to pretend Russia is a threat to Americans, just as it's absurd to pretend the Canadians or Brits are somehow 'allies'.
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At worst, Russia is a pest. They are no longer a threat to us.

Our top threats right now are the Democrats and China.
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BigRobSA said:

Vestal_Flame said:

Do you think that the drones are flying in, or that they are being driven into Germany and released?

Also, did this story make the news in America?


First I'm hearing about it but I don't watch anything but Texags for my news and weather.

It's going to be hot. There. That should last you until around the last week of October. Maybe longer.
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I would look at some of their current residents before blaming Russia.
Rossticus
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Germany isn't the only place this type of thing is occurring.

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Germany isn't the only place this type of thing is occurring.


Agreed.
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I would look at some of their current residents before blaming Russia.


ABC reports that US officials are leaning toward the GRU, based on the technology. This also explains the Ukrainian target.
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Martels Hammer said:

From the limited descriptions available.

Why would Russia send low grade drones packed with military grade explosives? If you are going to use hard to source explosives why would you use easy to source lower grade drones? The explosives would indicate state sponsor so using lower grade drones wouldn't throw anyone off the trail.

I can't imagine it was a smuggling issue. So why?

A test of NATO resolve could be a very compelling reason.

Is that really so absurd? This board is obsessed with decrying how weak and ineffectual NATO is in general and Europeans are at large. Presumably the Russians do to and want to see how far they can toe the line before further decisions are made. It honestly even makes sense from a strategic point of view and absolutely has tons of precedence throughout history.
nortex97
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Hotair; 'Why are the Germans being such wimps?'
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But a report at ABC News strongly suggests the Germans already know who is responsible. So what are they waiting for?
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An explosive drone found near a Ukrainian cargo aircraft at Leipzig airport in Germany earlier this month bore the hallmarks of devices typically employed by Russia's Military Intelligence Directorate, the GRU, a U.S. intelligence source told ABC News.

The U.S. official, who was briefed on the investigation into the alleged sabotage plot, said the explosives fitted to the drone as well as the structure of the lethal device were "typical" of those used by Russia's GRU.

This U.S. assessment was made in conjunction with German security and intelligence agencies, the source added.


So they know but they still aren't saying. Showing an enemy that you are paralyzed by fear is practically begging for more hybrid warfare attacks to follow. Putin is right to think that whatever he does next will also be downplayed by the same weak-kneed leaders.

Simple explanation; the Germans are wimps.
ts5641
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Why are we not hearing about this? The silence benefits the left in some way.
Rossticus
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This is an interesting take. No idea if it's accurate, but something to consider. From a German.



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Tweet 1: "The reports published tonight by at least 3 US media outlets (WSJ, Politico, CBS News) on the "true" background of CIA Director Ratcliffe's visit to Moscow all speak of a timeline for possible RU attacks "in the next few years" on NATO territory.

They all consistently report on a clear warning personally issued by the US administration through the intelligence chief; they merely vary in the form of the attacks. From cyber to hybrid, up to a possible invasion of a Baltic country. But the consistently described timeline doesn't really match this rather sudden and urgent manner of the trip. The reports were also all published more or less within one hour of each other.

That smells like a deliberately placed "story" to the media so they'll stop "digging." There's something more important and above all more urgent behind it that, for whatever reasons, isn't supposed to reach the public right now. The narrative so far just doesn't add up at either end.

Between August 18-20, NATO launched a massive air operation in the area of Russian Kaliningrad for three days in a row; in particular, a massive deployment of submarine-hunting aircraft was observed off the British coast and over the Baltic Sea, as several OSINT accounts have consistently reported. So far, not much is really known in detail about the true background.

Whatever happened there, it fits much better for me with a sudden visit by the CIA Director to Moscow and a direct warning to the Kremlin. If you combine that with the incident at Leipzig Airport and other hybrid incidents on NATO territory in Europe in recent times, such a sudden trip with a clear personal message at the highest level seems far more plausible to me.

In my view, it wasn't about whatever things the Russians "might try in the next few years," but about things that are currently happening right now. If anyone were in a position to draw a "red line" on behalf of the US and also the NATO allies, and credibly convey that warning to the Kremlin, it would be this person: Ratcliffe."

Tweet 2: "Also a report from 18.08.2026:

Russian Frigate Carrying Kalibr and Zircon Missiles Spotted off Germany's Coast

According to The Telegraph, the Russian frigate Admiral Kasatonov was sighted last week near the German island of Fehmarn in the Baltic Sea. The warship is capable of carrying Kalibr cruise missiles and Zircon hypersonic missiles.

The ship's tracker was switched off, so its current location is unknown. This is already the second incident of this kind in the past month: At the end of July, the Russian anti-submarine ship Admiral Levchenko was also sighted in the Baltic Sea."
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