Where in the United States does a citizen not have a representative in Congress? No where is the answer. There are voting 435 representatives for the 50 states and several non-voiting reprsentatives as well for DC. PR, U S V.I. et al

I think you meant to say that certain people (based on skin color alone) are mandated by some ethereal rule not based on law to have the representatives in Congress whom agrees with them politically. This is not the way it works and has never worked.

All conservatives in Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Mexico and Rhode Island say hello. Please be vocal about how the conservative's rights have been taken by the left and they are left unrepresented.

You don't even realize how racist you post sounds do you?

Didn't know this was even a thing til I moved to the area. That's why it should stay a local holiday. Calling it "juneteenth" sounds a little racist. It's like Harroween for Asians.

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Didn't know this was even a thing til I moved to the area. That's why it should stay a local holiday. Calling it "juneteenth" sounds a little racist. It's like Harroween for Asians.

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I have an in-law, who is from Ohio.

For several years, they'd heard it mentioned, but thought Juneteenth was Texas Independence Day.

All sin has consequences. Yes some consequences are bigger than others.

However, there is time to mourn and a time to rejoice. Let's rejoice that slavery ended in the United States. After a certain time mourning no longer has a purpose or is productive.

We can choose to be angry, mad or resentful. We can also choose to be kind, loving, giving and forgiving. One is better than the other.

I am looking forward for the next democrat president to make San Jacinto Day a national holiday.

Wouldn't mind celebrating the day that Liberia was created.

Too bad it didn't catch on...

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The assertion that the Emancipation Proclamation did not free any slaves is a misguided narrative. Such claims are unfounded and reflect a distorted interpretation of history.

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At the time of its passing, the EP freed no slaves. It only freed slaves in states in rebellion, none of which recognized its authority. Slaves in Maryland and Kentucky were not freed.

However, as Union troops pushed into the South, they did free slaves in the areas they controlled.

Which is why Juneteenth is a thing. Took until June 19, 1865, for Union forces to have control of Texas

Why don't we have an Independence month for July? The founding of our country is more important that any race or ethnic group.

Why have a whole month for the Black community plus a whole federal holiday on June 19th? Pick one or the other.

As a conservative, I have no problem with a holiday celebrating the end of slavery.

However, just like Kwanza, this holiday is in practice a celebration of communism. And I have big problems with that.

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However, just like Kwanza, this holiday is in practice a celebration of communism. And I have big problems with that.

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I always try to explain to people (from a historical perspective) that Juneteenth was a Texas thing and shouldn't be a national thing but nobody cares.

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If they want to celebrate more Texas Holidays as National Holidays, I'm OK with that.
March 2nd, April 21st, maybe LBJ's Birthday.

I've got friends who have been surprised to find out about Confederate Heroes Day during the past few years.

The most amazing fact is sometimes MLK Day and Confederate Heroes Day fall on the same day in January.

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Oh heck no!

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The one point that needs to be added and everyone should realize is that the goal is to supplant July 4th as the true beginning of the country.

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This is the unfortunate truth.

The progressive message machine will never rest until it happens.

And yes, Joy Reid is an idiot but there are thousands of other idiots ready to amplify her message and use it to destroy our history.

Joy Reid: “Nobody black I know is really excited about the 4th of July."

“It is the celebration of slaveholders who freed themselves from having to pay taxes to the Crown for their slave empire."

Reid was considered a 'mainstream media’ personality for years. pic.twitter.com/XCjHc82Tt6

— Western Lensman (@WesternLensman) June 21, 2026

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Where in the United States does a citizen not have a representative in Congress? No where is the answer. There are voting 435 representatives for the 50 states and several non-voiting reprsentatives as well for DC. PR, U S V.I. et al

I think you meant to say that certain people (based on skin color alone) are mandated by some ethereal rule not based on law to have the representatives in Congress whom agrees with them politically. This is not the way it works and has never worked.

All conservatives in Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Mexico and Rhode Island say hello. Please be vocal about how the conservative's rights have been taken by the left and they are left unrepresented.

You don't even realize how racist you post sounds do you?

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What a nonsensical straw man. Try to keep up, we were discussing the civil war.

During the civil war, the southern states did not have representatives in Congress. The southern population also did not get to vote in the presidential election of 1864. Do you have anything relevant to add on that topic?

I think we should all celebrate June Teeth. Especially those of us who still have them.

Indentured slaves absolutely built this country. We need a holiday.

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Where in the United States does a citizen not have a representative in Congress? No where is the answer. There are voting 435 representatives for the 50 states and several non-voiting reprsentatives as well for DC. PR, U S V.I. et al

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You even said yourself that the representatives from Territories don't get a vote in Congress.

And the people of Puerto Rico, US VI, Guam, American Samoa, don't get any Electoral Votes but DC does for some reason.

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All conservatives in Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Mexico and Rhode Island say hello. Please be vocal about how the conservative's rights have been taken by the left and they are left unrepresented.

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I'm a hard core conservative who spent 8 years living in Los Angeles. I think the only time my vote mattered was when I voted to re-elect the Governator in 2006.

Dear ignorant population of America. The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the Confederate states... Slavery remained in the united states until the ratification of the 13th amendment on Dec 6th 1865. Celebrate that.

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Dear ignorant population of America. The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the Confederate states... Slavery remained in the united states until the ratification of the 13th amendment on Dec 6th 1865. Celebrate that.

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Who says you can't BBQ on juneteenth and 4th of July? I'm fine with adding a bunch of bs federal holidays that everyone gets to spend time with family and friends.

win/win

My Sea aggie son is working 21 on 21 off. They got double pay for Juneteeth and July 4, but not Memorial day. Go figure

It's a fake holiday that had no impact on slavery, and neither did the "emancipation proclamation".

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Not one Union soldier fought to end slavery, that is a complete myth. If ending slavery was a (not even the) goal and reason to fight the war, the Union would not have been able to field an army.

Obviously slavery was an evil and good that it ended. Decisions made after the 13th amendment were largely poor and politically motivated, starting with the 14th Amendment.

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The Emancipation Proclamation didn't free a single slave - it announced emancipation of Confederate slaves, and those states didn't recognize the Union laws.

Announcing that Texan slaves were free in the eyes of the Union didn't free a single slave under the recognized state and Confederate laws of the time. Slaves were freed bit by bit under martial law and I'm Reconstruction.

Making a state day a Federal Holiday is only pandering. IMO, Juneteenth should be recognized like St. Patrick's Day or Cinco de Mayo - a celebration of a culture. It shouldn't be recognized like Thanksgiving or July 4. If anything, January 1, 1863 should be celebrated as Emancipation Day. Not June 19, 1865.

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Not only that, but slave states that remained in the union (I think there were 4 of them) did not have to free their slaves...

Slaves weren't freed until the 13th Amendment was passed on December 6, 1865...

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I've heard it said that there's MLK, Jr. Day, Black History Month, Indigenous People's Month (November which is supposed to be for all people of color (the PC term for "Colored People")), Indigenous Peoples' Day (both Thanksgiving and Columbus Day), and Kwanzaa. All to make up for Father's Day.

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There's an off-color joke to make about that...

The EP was a sop to the British to keep them out of the war and to the Radical Republicans to Lincoln's political left. Many members of the press in the North and in Britain called it out for what it was: a strategic but empty gesture.

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1) It's historically inaccurate as it was not the end of slavery anywhere but Galveston Texas and has no national value whatsoever because…

2) Emancipation Day is what you would choose if you really wanted to celebrate the real end of slavery in the US but that's Dec 6th, well after November elections are done and therefore useless to Democrats as the real point of the holiday which is…

3) An annual day to create hatred and resentment and division and in election years, it does this before Election Day for maximum impact

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Slaves in Galveston (and Texas) were freed January 1, 1863 (Emancipation Proclamation), but I see where you are going. June 19th 1865 was just the date that the Emancipation Proclamation was enforced in Texas.

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Well, in the Union they were, but in the Confederacy, they weren't, since the Confederacy, which considered itself a separate and distinct country, did not recognize the laws of the US.

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There was nothing articulated to make separation illegal. The right was historically understood. The north could not afford $$ to lose the Confederate states. The war was about money. The north became wealthy buying and selling slaves, then they raped, murdered the south for owning them. Posing as liberators.

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I agree nothing was articulated, but that still means that the Southern state legislatures just made it all up to suddenly become independent states. The right was not "historically understood" except for the fact that rebelling states had to prevail military otherwise they had not claim on recognizable legal status. They failed and therefore never existed except in the minds of the rebels.

Even Southern Sympathizer and Tennessee boy President Andrew Johnson argued this.

https://www.nps.gov/anjo/andrew-johnson-and-reconstruction.htm

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"There is No Such Thing"
"...there is no such thing as reconstruction.

These States have not gone out of the Union, therefore reconstruction is unnecessary.

I do not mean to treat them as inchoate States, but merely as existing under a temporary suspension of their government, provided always they elect loyal men. The doctrine of coercion to preserve a State in the Union has been vindicated by the people. It is the province of the Executive to see that the will of the people is carried out in the rehabilitation of the rebellious States, once more under the authority as well as the protection of the Union." Andrew Johnson, from an interview with General John A. Logan on May 31, 1865.

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What do you call someone that cannot leave someone else under the penalty of force for doing so, while they have to provide for that someone else?

A slave?

So, basically, the US is a slave country, it's just that our slaves are the states...

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Dear ignorant population of America. The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the Confederate states... Slavery remained in the united states until the ratification of the 13th amendment on Dec 6th 1865. Celebrate that.

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many would still find a reason to complain about that date too. their underlying grievance isn't the specific date we celebrate the end of slavery in america, it's that they perceive the elevation of a national holiday for it as a cultural victory for the libs. nitpicking the date is just the socially acceptable way to express that grievance.

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What do you call someone that cannot leave someone else under the penalty of force for doing so, while they have to provide for that someone else?

A slave?

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I would go with a prisoner.

Dumb, crude analogy

I am 67. This whole thread has me scratching my head because growing up in Texas, I always knew about Juneteenth as a Texas black celebration. My late older brother was born on that date so it was a running joke in our family about which types of food he wanted for his birthday. (Family tradition was HoJos for fried clams, french fries, small salad, sweet tea with lime sherbet for dessert.)

It is June. In Texas. Watermelons are in season and plentiful everywhere. Fried chicken, mashed potatoes with gravy, watermelon slices (large) and "red sody water" a/k/a Big Red was the stereotypical menu. And that stereotype ran so deep that even Fuzzy Zoeller (IIRC) cracked a joke about what Tiger Woods would want at his dinner after winning the Green Jacket for the first time. (Well, minus the Big Red part.)

My point being, yeah for them! They are have family gatherings and having fun with each other. When my Granddad had his orchard up after retired from Exxon in the 70s, he would take fresh peaches, watermelons, early green beans to the descendants of the former slaves that had moved to Texas with his progenitors after the Civil War.

Now this is why some people get twisted about some of it. "Slaves" being treated well by some Southerners, to such a degree, they chose to stay with their "families" and stay or follow them. And the former slaves had last names from their former owners. In my family, it was my great great grandmother's former slaves that chose to come to Texas. Thus they had her maiden last name. And still do to this day.

But because of how my grandfather was raised, he felt it was his duty, responsibility to help them when they needed it. Sometimes it was money. Most of the time it was fresh food from his farm that would deliver to them. He had two tanks (Texans know the different) stocked with catfish, which he fed with catfish chow every other day. Were we, his grandchildren allowed to fish those tanks? Hell, No!

But they were.

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all the nitpicking about whether we should be celebrating the end of slavery in america on june 19th or another day is beside the point. it's as good a date as any other.

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This statement is right on levels not considered by many. There was going to be a day, this one was as good as any for the purpose despite the true historical insignificance.

A good buddy of mine from A&M who happens to be black told me he never celebrated Juneteenth growing up. He said why would I celebrate y'all (gringos) taking 2 years to tell us we're free? I always got a pretty big kick out of that.

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No one is telling others they may not celebrate.

The government is telling us we must celebrate

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Old McDonald said:

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all the nitpicking about whether we should be celebrating the end of slavery in america on june 19th or another day is beside the point. it's as good a date as any other.

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This statement is right on levels not considered by many. There was going to be a day, this one was as good as any for the purpose despite the true historical insignificance.

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True.

But, it was a dumb date to choose when there were other, more significant, dates to choose from.