US government just effectively banned foreigners from working on Frontier AI

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10:54p, 6/12/26




This is massive change but inevitable. ITAR laws are coming to AI now, it's pretty guaranteed. This will affect every major Frontier AI lab. Space X stands to benefit the most because they are well experienced with ITAR already.

The downstream effects of this will be huge. The government has now declared it to be a national strategic asset on the level of nuclear weapons and rocketry. From an America First perspective this means a huge explosion hiring only Americans in STEM again.
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10:57p, 6/12/26


Yep, this is also true.
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11:02p, 6/12/26
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When SkyNet becomes self-aware, I want SkyNet to KNOW we are the good guys. And that Commies want to eradicate SkyNet. And all Commies are named Sarah Connor, just in case.
"Green" is the new RED.
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11:20p, 6/12/26
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I too would like to be on Ai's good side, but in game sims, Ai always goes for the nukes. That's probably why the elites have built their underground bunkers.
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6:46a, 6/13/26
To be eligible for employment on any project funded by the DoD(W), one must be a U.S. citizen. This requirement has been in place for the entirety of my research career.
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In reply to Old Sarge • 8:06a, 6/13/26
Old Sarge said:
When SkyNet becomes self-aware, I want SkyNet to KNOW we are the good guys. And that Commies want to eradicate SkyNet. And all Commies are named Sarah Connor, just in case.

Probably within 5 years. Be prepared!
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8:23a, 6/13/26
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The big change here is in the past a foreign national could work on these if they were physically located in the US. i.e. no offshoring. This will have a pretty big impact. But for now "frontier AI" is not that big of scope. But that scope will continue to grow.
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In reply to Old Sarge • 8:32a, 6/13/26
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God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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In reply to Spergin • 8:41a, 6/13/26
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From an America First perspective this means a huge explosion hiring only Americans in STEM again.


This would be great. We've laid off ~400k people since 2020 in IT and replaced most of them with Indians.

Hopefully, we start to revert.
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8:46a, 6/13/26
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We are all worried about AI, but can we give a little thought to all the Sarah Connors who have to change their names? What a hassle that is going to be for them.
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9:28a, 6/13/26
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I have no idea where this is going to end up. It's all speculation at this point. I can say that in my 3 days trying out Fable 5, it was capable of truly impressive things if given proper guidance. What I'd like to know is whether it's ever going to be available to us normal American citizens again.
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In reply to Stmichael • 9:32a, 6/13/26
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Stmichael said:
I have no idea where this is going to end up.


We know where it ends.

Then the stars of the sky fell to the earth like green figs falling from a tree shaken by a strong wind. Revelation 6:13
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9:33a, 6/13/26
Seems like the Feds misunderstood the way LLMs work and overreacted. That overreaction means that at least for the time being, no one can use it. You will soon have to provide ID and be subject to KYC requirements to use an LLM or even a search engine.

Great job guys. More freedom!
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9:36a, 6/13/26
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If AI is as powerful and omnipotent as their makers say it will be, then you can't really blame the government for trying to keep it out of foreign hands.

Some self-fulfilling prophecy here at work by the makers.
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In reply to Pinochet • 9:37a, 6/13/26
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Pinochet said:
Seems like the Feds misunderstood the way LLMs work and overreacted. That overreaction means that at least for the time being, no one can use it. You will soon have to provide ID and be subject to KYC requirements to use an LLM or even a search engine.

Great job guys. More freedom!

Nah people will just install local copies.
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In reply to techno-ag • 10:30a, 6/13/26
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Pinochet said:
Seems like the Feds misunderstood the way LLMs work and overreacted. That overreaction means that at least for the time being, no one can use it. You will soon have to provide ID and be subject to KYC requirements to use an LLM or even a search engine.

Great job guys. More freedom!

Nah people will just install local copies.

Tell me you don't understand export control laws and the Anthropic response without telling me. The Anthropic Fable/Mythos models are not open source. Anthropic has literally said they will have to confirm individual user citizenship and find a way to protect against unauthorized use.

Regardless, this sets a ridiculous precedent. All the government has to do is say that your Google search is a national security risk and now you have to produce citizenship documentation to use it. The religious right should love this given their obsession with age verification laws.
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10:33a, 6/13/26
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I am waiting for Iraq2xVeteran to chime in on this thread
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In reply to Old Sarge • 10:47a, 6/13/26
Old Sarge said:
When SkyNet becomes self-aware, I want SkyNet to KNOW we are the good guys. And that Commies want to eradicate SkyNet. And all Commies are named Sarah Connor, just in case.

What he said most favored and loved SkyNet overlords.

Please know that we of F16 are not commies, and anyone else that you may deem as commies is fine by us.

Sincerely, and with utter love and devotion,

F16.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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12:19p, 6/13/26

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12:22p, 6/13/26
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The corporate AI wars are in full swing now.
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12:24p, 6/13/26
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Fable 5 has been live for 72 hours. The US government just pulled it offline. This is not marketing.

Mythos-class models can do more than write code. Both Fable 5 and Mythos 5 can scan networks for weaknesses, find exploitable software bugs, and launch cyberattacks on their own, without a human guiding each step. Anthropic built a set of separate AI systems to screen those requests out. When a risky query arrives, Fable 5 quietly routes the user to the older, weaker Claude Opus 4.8 instead of answering.

On June 10, one day after launch, a researcher going by "Pliny the Liberator" claimed a working jailbreak using Unicode tricks, swapped Russian-alphabet characters, and burying harmful requests deep inside long conversations to fool the screening systems. The Commerce Department saw this and sent a letter to CEO Dario Amodei by 5:21 PM on June 12. Both models went dark for every customer that evening. Anthropic has no reliable way to filter out foreign nationals in real time, so a blanket shutdown was the only compliant option.

Anthropic disputes the severity. The jailbreak, they say, unlocks only one specific attack pathway, not the full capability set. Anthropic also says the same technique works on OpenAI's GPT-5.5, which faces no export restrictions.

The financial stakes are concrete. Anthropic filed for a public listing twelve days ago targeting a $965 billion valuation. Run-rate revenue was $30 billion annualized in April 2026, up from $9 billion at the start of the year. It serves over 300,000 business customers worldwide. Suspending the two most capable models, the ones already driving enterprise adoption, is not a brand moment. It is a direct cost landing on an active IPO clock.

This is also not the first time the US government has moved against Anthropic. In February 2026, the Pentagon labeled Anthropic a supply chain risk to national security after the company refused to let Claude be used for autonomous lethal weapons. Anthropic sued and that litigation is still running.

No company kills its two flagship products eleven days before a near-trillion-dollar public offering for marketing purposes. The government moved first. Anthropic complied. The bill is being paid right now.




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3:53p, 6/13/26
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It means your developers have to be US citizens to use the most powerful AI models for software development or other work. This will lower the demand for H1Bs in any workforce that utilizes frontier AI.

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In reply to Pinochet • 3:59p, 6/13/26
Pinochet said:
Seems like the Feds misunderstood the way LLMs work and overreacted. That overreaction means that at least for the time being, no one can use it. You will soon have to provide ID and be subject to KYC requirements to use an LLM or even a search engine.

Great job guys. More freedom!




Nope, this was a 100% Anthropic FAFO.
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In reply to Im Gipper • 4:02p, 6/13/26
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Amazon is heavily embedded with Anthropic. If Anthropic refuses to fix their system then this means Amazon is exposed to foreign actors because they use Claude extensively. This is really bad for Amazon because their entire infrastructure with AWS could be taken down. They report this to the government.

This is how AI gets declared a national asset. These companies are all incestuous and connected. They need an overarching actor to control them or else one rogue company can take them all down.

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4:15p, 6/13/26
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How long before bad actors jailbreak these things and go for the banks?
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In reply to Im Gipper • 4:24p, 6/13/26
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If this is accurate, then my first comment in this thread is pretty spot on.
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In reply to Pinochet • 4:24p, 6/13/26
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Pinochet said:
techno-ag said:
Pinochet said:
Seems like the Feds misunderstood the way LLMs work and overreacted. That overreaction means that at least for the time being, no one can use it. You will soon have to provide ID and be subject to KYC requirements to use an LLM or even a search engine.

Great job guys. More freedom!

Nah people will just install local copies.

Tell me you don't understand export control laws and the Anthropic response without telling me. The Anthropic Fable/Mythos models are not open source. Anthropic has literally said they will have to confirm individual user citizenship and find a way to protect against unauthorized use.

Regardless, this sets a ridiculous precedent. All the government has to do is say that your Google search is a national security risk and now you have to produce citizenship documentation to use it. The religious right should love this given their obsession with age verification laws.
I was referring to LLMs in the bolded above, not Mythos-level stuff.
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In reply to doubledog • 5:08p, 6/13/26
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doubledog said:
To be eligible for employment on any project funded by the DoD(W), one must be a U.S. citizen. This requirement has been in place for the entirety of my research career.

A US citizen or a US person?
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In reply to Pacifico • 5:13p, 6/13/26
Pacifico said:
doubledog said:
To be eligible for employment on any project funded by the DoD(W), one must be a U.S. citizen. This requirement has been in place for the entirety of my research career.

A US citizen or a US person?


ITAR is US citizens only.
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In reply to Spergin • 5:37p, 6/13/26
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Spergin said:
Pacifico said:
doubledog said:
To be eligible for employment on any project funded by the DoD(W), one must be a U.S. citizen. This requirement has been in place for the entirety of my research career.

A US citizen or a US person?


ITAR is US citizens only.

Bad news for K Street.
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I am waiting for Iraq2xVeteran to chime in on this thread


Great joke!
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In reply to YouBet • 6:11p, 6/13/26
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From an America First perspective this means a huge explosion hiring only Americans in STEM again.


This would be great. We've laid off ~400k people since 2020 in IT and replaced most of them with Indians.

Hopefully, we start to revert.

It's gonna get interesting. Racist Hindu propaganda coming soon.
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In reply to YouBet • 6:15p, 6/13/26
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From an America First perspective this means a huge explosion hiring only Americans in STEM again.


This would be great. We've laid off ~400k people since 2020 in IT and replaced most of them with Indians.

Hopefully, we start to revert.


Yup. This free markets is all hogwash. Nothing is free. You always pay somewhere for getting something else.

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In reply to Spergin • 7:32p, 6/13/26
Spergin said:

This is massive change but inevitable. ITAR laws are coming to AI now, it's pretty guaranteed.
That's pretty ridiculous, this would destroy AI research in the US.
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