What's your line for voting for a politician?

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The Shank Ag
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What can a politician you'd vote for today do or believe for it to be a vote to the other major candidate or an abstain.

I feel most of us will say their policy votes, and a minority will say their personal character.

I'm having a really tough time with this one in today's politisphere.
Tea Party
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I asked this same question on another thread and surprisingly most people said they would vote for anyone with an R by their name because they did not want anyone with a D by their name to win.

I used Fetterman as an example if he switched parties and ran as an R and several said said they would still vote R.

It was amazing seeing how a lot of people don't have a line but just blindly vote for their team.
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Gnome Sayin
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If the other guy's policies COMPLETELY oppose my views it probably doesn't matter.
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I wouldn't vote for someone that supports abortion or trans crap. I'm sure there are others but those are two non-negotiables for me.

And I will vote against anyone that does support that crap
BTKAG97
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I'll vote for anyone running against a Democrat.
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Tea Party said:

I asked this same question on another thread and surprisingly most people said they would vote for anyone with an R by their name because they did not want anyone with a D by their name to win.

I used Fetterman as an example if he switched parties and ran as an R and several said said they would still vote R.

It was amazing seeing how a lot of people don't have a line but just blindly vote for their team.


I may not always vote for the republican, but ill never vote for a Democrat.

Voting for a libertarian or someone who lives in the gray is a wasted voted and a vote for the other party
e=mc2
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If it's a ****ty Republican, I'll leave it blank. I will never vote for Democrat for the rest of my life.
Danny Vermin
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I'll hold my nose and vote anyone running against a Democrat.
TAMUallen
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I know what I can't tolerate from a politician, and it's somebody with an inappropriate concession speech
BaileyAg
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e=mc2 said:

If it's a ****ty Republican, I'll leave it blank. I will never vote for Democrat for the rest of my life.
96AgGrad
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e=mc2 said:

If it's a ****ty Republican, I'll leave it blank. I will never vote for Democrat for the rest of my life.

I'd still rather negate the vote of a Democrat.
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e=mc2 said:

If it's a ****ty Republican, I'll leave it blank. I will never vote for Democrat for the rest of my life.
Yup.
Deputy Travis Junior
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The "voting patterns is all that matters" view has gained a lot of steam the past few decades, but character is vitally important for long term sustainability. Say we elect politicians who give handouts to friends and supporters, or look the other way when a party priority is implemented poorly, or whatever. After a few decades, we've built up an unauditable mess that funnels our tax dollars to special interests, NGOs, fake autism clinics, or Minneapolis learing centers. USAID's budget was $50B/year and we didn't know where huge chunks of that money were even going. That was by design and it's the result of sending awful people to DC.

Put another way, our congress typically passes bills that are thousands of pages long. If we put corrupt, venal politicians in office, what are the odds that they'll bury riders in The Brother Karamazov that enrich themselves at our expense? What are the odds that they fund an agency that hires a consultant that vastly overpays a subcontractor owned by the politician's cousin/wife/neighbor?

Demand more. If he's ****ed 15 women while married and then lied about it, he'll be happy to **** us and lie about it too.
Ag with kids
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Tea Party said:

I asked this same question on another thread and surprisingly most people said they would vote for anyone with an R by their name because they did not want anyone with a D by their name to win.

I used Fetterman as an example if he switched parties and ran as an R and several said said they would still vote R.

It was amazing seeing how a lot of people don't have a line but just blindly vote for their team.

So...would you not vote for an R candidate that votes 70% towards your views, even if you knew it would help a D candidate that votes 2% towards your views?
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Urban Ag
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Voting is very, very, simple these days.

I vote for whom I believe to be the best candidate and person in the primary.

In the general, straight ticket R. Not because I am voting for the GOP but because I am voting against the unhinged, lunatic, degenerate, commie, left. Very simple.



coconutED
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The primary is the time to sort out all of the fluff. In the general, where it's one or the other, you need to fall in line, except in very uncommon, specific circumstances.
BigRobSA
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coconutED said:

The primary is the time to sort out all of the fluff. In the general, where it's one or the other, you need to fall in line, except in very uncommon, specific circumstances.

The primaries are still flooded with unprincipled dip****s with an "R" behind their name.


The R's are, as of late, just a tad to the right of Dems, fiscally. Hell, Trump is an old school NY Liberal, just not a progressive one.
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If I thought a Republican politician was a dolt, I'd try to vote him out in the primary. Because I know that the enemy is the left and that stopping the left is the most important thing we can do on a macro level, I would vote for any Republican against any dem. Because even if a dem campaigns as a moderate we know they'll govern like a communist.
Ragoo
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If there isnt a candidate I can support I abstain.
Cinco Ranch Aggie
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I have never voted for a Democrat. I don't see that changing.

That doesn't mean that I've always voted for the Republican, though. I've voted for independents or libertarians in the past, but now I simply see that as a de facto vote for the Democrat. If for some unexpected reason John Cornyn wins this run-off, in years past I would hold my nose and vote for him; now I expect I'll just leave it blank.
Deerdude
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There are no more D's, they have evolved into Lunatic L's.
Fightin_Aggie
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I don't vote for commies
BusterAg
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I vote against the Dems not because I really like what the GOP does, but because the Dems are so lock-step that it makes it easy to vote against them. They are all stormtroopers in white Star Wars Empire armor, voting for one of them is voting for all of them, because there is no difference between them when it comes to the policies they pass.

The Democrats are very disciplined, and all vote as a bloc. The one thing that this does is it helps them get things passed whenever they have a very small majority. The other thing that it does is make them equally easy to vote against. A vote against a Democrat politician is a vote against the entire party, because there are no rogue democrats that would consider voting for anything that I believe in.

As for a guy like Fetterman, if he was running as an independent against, say, John Cornyn, I would at least consider voting for Fetterman depending on the balance of power of the Senate of that election cycle, because I hate the establishment GOP almost as much as I hate the Dems, and Cornyn is the prototypical establishment Republican. But, I'm not sure you could put together any two politicians today, one Dem and one GOP, and get a similar answer from me.

Tl;DR

Here is what all Dem politicians look like to me thanks to their voting record:

That is what I vote against.
Science Denier
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FOR A PRIMARY
Line in the sand
1. America first policy

Other important issues
2. Strong defense
3. Strong international policy
4. Lower my ****ing taxes
5. Strong/secure border
6. SCOTUS Nominations

Other issues
6. Will he face the media or cower in the corner.
7. Will he face the public
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135. Can he make Brisket
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845. Is his wife hot (only if it's a dude)
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1,284. Does he fool around

But if the choice is between a (R) and a (D) and I hate the (R), I'll vote for the (R) every time.
YNWA.2013
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Tea Party said:

I asked this same question on another thread and surprisingly most people said they would vote for anyone with an R by their name because they did not want anyone with a D by their name to win.

I used Fetterman as an example if he switched parties and ran as an R and several said said they would still vote R.

It was amazing seeing how a lot of people don't have a line but just blindly vote for their team.

And this is why we are where we are.

The polarization of our politics where there is now ZERO compromise or reaching across the aisle and voting with the opposite party. Which, imo, has allowed the extremes of each party to take control. It is now political suicide to vote against your party. And with no term limits, politicians will do anything to stay in power.

This is a few years old now, so I am sure it has only gotten worse, but this is a visualization of how each session of congress voted and who they voted with.



There is no center anymore, only left and right
rocky the dog
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Quote:

What's your line for voting for a politician?

I always use this line at the polling place:

"I didn't have a chance to look at the ballot. Are there any true or false questions, or is it all multiple choice?"
Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
Garrelli 5000
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I will never vote for a D for 1 reason only. There are many valid reasons, but this singular reason is why I determined during the Obama admin the only way a D gets my vote is if I'm dead.

The Democrat party supports calling anyone that doesn't vote D a racist. I'm not saying 100% of D politicians sling the insult. I am saying that zero % have come out against the laziest and slimiest of insults but remained in the party.

Danny Vermin
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Democrats are absolutely pathetic and I assume they all live off the government. Everytime I vote some idiot with a Democrat shirt for some candidate runs up to me when I park to vote and ask which Democrats I'm voting for. I always enjoy telling them there is no chance in hell I would ever vote for any of them. Happened again yesterday. Anyone who votes at the rec center on East Grand can verify this.
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Put another way, our congress typically passes bills that are thousands of pages long. If we put corrupt, venal politicians in office, what are the odds that they'll bury riders in The Brother Karamazov that enrich themselves at our expense?


I like that comparison.
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BTKAG97 said:

I'll vote for anyone running against a Democrat.


Long ago (probably about 15 years) when I still took the Houston Chronicle, there was an interesting opinion piece they wrote about straight ticket voting for the most recent election. It kinda started like this, "if you voted straight ticket for either party, I wouldn't be too proud of your vote."

Turns out, there was a Republican and a Democrat, running for different positions, but both as judges, who had felony charges pending for assault against a woman. Both apparently with corroborating witnesses.

Both ended up pleading guilty and neither ever saw the bench. So it begs the question, could someone knowingly vote for a person who beats his wife simply because policy is more important than morals and ethics?

Now…….. getting back to the OP's question. While it's easy to say "all politicians are corrupt", "all politicians have baggage", etc; let's be honest………some are just outright morally and ethically bankrupt.

So for me, a politician has to pass a basic litmus test of decency. Many of you might laugh at me……. that's fine…….but it's the way I was raised. If they can pass that, then it's 99% policy positions. If I'm being honest I kinda love rebels…….. the ballsy types who aren't afraid to go against the flow. I like independent thinking rather than sheep mentality.

But not to be naive……..both sides of the aisle in primaries are 99.9% sheep………. and I find that sad.
Logos Stick
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Republican candidate: has moral failings
Democrat candidate: has moral failings AND supports Marxism, racism against YT, murder, and depravity.

The choice is pretty easy. Vote R.
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The Shank Ag said:

What can a politician you'd vote for today do or believe for it to be a vote to the other major candidate or an abstain.

I feel most of us will say their policy votes, and a minority will say their personal character.

I'm having a really tough time with this one in today's politisphere.


The only time you get a choice on voting for someone is in the party primaries, otherwise you are voting against the other party. Politicians don't vote for their constituents anymore, they vote for their party, some more than others.
maverick2076
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I'm not voting for any politician who sends me unsolicited text messages.
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The current state of US politics is similar to the parliamentary system we know in most western countries. Parties are supreme and the individual characteristics are subordinated to the party platform. There is just too wide a gap between the vision for our country that the two parties have...the stakes are too high. Hopefully at some point in the future the visions will grow closer together once again and the individual candidate becomes supreme. In the meantime, just a few or even one party member(s) crossing the line to vote with the other party can result in disaster.

In that/this scenario, I'm going to vote for the candidate that is going to support the party platform that will ensure we don't devolve into the disaster that the democrats that control their party desire. If that means he has cheated on his/her wife, taken bribes, exacted political retribution etc.....I'm going to vote for the candidate that is going to support the party that keeps us from going over the abyss.
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Those graphs are a perfect example of why this country is headed for a catalytic event and a fight for this country. I won't say civil war (the shootin' type) because that might not be the kind of battleground it is though I am hard pressed to see how it would not be.

There are many people on the history of this forum who said this would never happen in the U.S., but that graph doesn't lie. There are two distinct ideologies represented by those two sides on the graph, individual liberty and collectivism and they are entirely incompatible with each other and only one of those sides respects the foundation of this country in its experiment in liberty.

Simply castigating people for being 'team' voters is an oversimplification intending to shame people for recognizing that there is, with little exception, only one path to preserving or pushing the opposed ideology you subscribe to or protest. You vote for your 'team' because to do otherwise is ideological suicide.

This isn't a sport where you win some, you lose some but there is always another game next week this is existential. To suggest that being a 'team' voter as if folks are just blind sports fans only reveals that the person making that suggestion may in fact be the blind one that can't see the full landscape of what is happening and what your options truly are. There are very few.

As others have stated, you advance your philosophy in the primaries, but you vote in the general to defeat the opposition regardless of how disappointing the primary results may be. There is no shame in that, so stop with the 'team' voter nonsense and understand the big picture.
 
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