mullokmotx said:

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Flightaware has the length of that runway as 6726 feet. Easterwood's main runway is 7000. I've seen smaller jets use that runway but this was a 767.

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At Bergstrom, Pickle is 9,000. Big Johnson is 12, 250.

Bread co lets the dough rise too high

the threshold is about 650 feet from where the airplane struck the truck. If the threshold was the aiming point (and it's not supposed to be), on the glideslope would put it about 30 feet above the ground. The aiming point should have been where the PAPI lights are located at the 1,000 ft mark. On a 3 degree glideslope, that puts the aircraft at roughly 85 feet above the truck.

Lesson - if you are off glideslope - go around.

flown-the-coop said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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Jock 07 said:

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I thought I had read that the plane clipped the light pole and the pole is what actually hit the truck.

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that's correct.

The problem is there's no buffer between the road and the runway. And that runway is really short - like 6500 or 7000 feet. For a 767 I think you need something like 6000 feet to land. So they were probably trying to put the plane down as quick as possible and caught a gust of wind at the last second.

Also heard that the pilots and passengers on board had no clue what happened until well after the fact.

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United plane tire hit the bakery truck. A light pole was also clipped which evidently poked a hole in the plane and the pole hit a jeep.

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A United 767, Light Pole, Jeep and Bakery Truck walk into a bar...

Tramp96 said:

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Ok, just now watched the lower half of the video.

That sorry SOB was driving in the left lane and getting passed by cars in the right lane.

So now I am not sad he got hit by a plane. Kharma, man. Kharma.

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From Google Maps, that's a strange (to me) layout for the turnpike.

it appears that the left lane enters the main lanes shortly after that point. It makes perfect sense to move to the left lane when you can do so safely instead of waiting to the last second.

I wonder if the car on the right was entering the man part of the turnpike or was in the right lane in anticipation of leaving the turnpike a little ways ahead in that big traffic exchange.

Tramp96 said:

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Ok, just now watched the lower half of the video.

That sorry SOB was driving in the left lane and getting passed by cars in the right lane.

So now I am not sad he got hit by a plane. Kharma, man. Kharma.

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Driving against the grain.

aggiehawg said:

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If one had to drive I-35 in Austin when Mueller was still open, those jets would fly right over the road given the orientation of the runways Was unnerving until one got used to it..

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A high school friend attending tu lived in an apartment right off 290 and the Mueller Airport. Those planes would sometimes shake every window in the building and I wondered how anyone could live like that.

I grew up at the edge of IAH. After a while, you just don't hear it, except when it is so loud that it stops conversation. I can remember planes flying in low enough to overturn cassette tapes that were standing on edge on the kitchen table.

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Tramp96 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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If one had to drive I-35 in Austin when Mueller was still open, those jets would fly right over the road given the orientation of the runways Was unnerving until one got used to it..

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One night I was driving back to my apartment in NW Austin on I-35 after an event downtown. I had the window rolled down and traffic was completely stopped due to construction having bottle-necked us down to one lane.

Next thing I know, I'm staring at the engine of an SWA coming in to land. I swear it felt like that thing was about to hit my truck.

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I have also been on the other side, looking out of the window of a plane landing during bad weather, turbulence. When you can make out faces inside the cars, you are too close.

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This happened to me at D/FW as passenger. Having flown in a hundred times , often could see my house as we approached on clear day. Very low visibility, we kept sinking towards landing. I was in first row and we could not have been just a few hundred feet of altitude and I noticed both N/S runways out my window…meaning we were about instrument land in a field. Was close enough to hear cockpit computer voice say something to effect pull up!!! Went to full power an went around. Pilot said on intercom there was issue with ILS or INS and 6 planes were in same landing path.

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This happened to me at D/FW as passenger. Having flown in a hundred times , often could see my house as we approached on clear day. Very low visibility, we kept sinking towards landing. I was in first row and we could not have been just a few hundred feet of altitude and I noticed both N/S runways out my window…meaning we were about instrument land in a field. Was close enough to hear cockpit computer voice say something to effect pull up!!! Went to full power an went around. Pilot said on intercom there was issue with ILS or INS and 6 planes were in same landing path.

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Love Field. Flying almost between tall buildings on approach back when there was a noise issue and the approaches were slower and thus lower. That would have been late 60s 1970 time frame. My grandparents were living in Irving for my grandfather's job. Love Field was The Airport since DFW wasn't built yet.

But the neighborhoods around Love Field were filing suit after suit about the jet noise. That was even a subplot in Arthur Hailey's novel and movie Airport.

TexasRebel said:

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Who had the right of way?

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The biggest mass always has the rye of way

Eliminatus said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Who had the right of way?

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The biggest mass always has the rye of way

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As a former motorcycle rider, we had a life-saving phrase:

There is right of way, and then there is right of weight. On a bike, I always deferred to the right of weight.

flown-the-coop said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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Jock 07 said:

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I thought I had read that the plane clipped the light pole and the pole is what actually hit the truck.

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that's correct.

The problem is there's no buffer between the road and the runway. And that runway is really short - like 6500 or 7000 feet. For a 767 I think you need something like 6000 feet to land. So they were probably trying to put the plane down as quick as possible and caught a gust of wind at the last second.

Also heard that the pilots and passengers on board had no clue what happened until well after the fact.

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United plane tire hit the bakery truck. A light pole was also clipped which evidently poked a hole in the plane and the pole hit a jeep.

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Early info was spotty -- back and forth on what hit the truck -- the plane or a pole, but now appears the plane's tires. The pole also got hit by something and the video shows a Jeep (or other SUV) trying to avoid it, but I think it hit it. No word on that driver that I've heard.

I had a hard time buying the pole hitting the truck and causing all that. I mean, sure, it COULD happen but it appeared more like part of the plane. I never really want to find out first hand.

I think I would avoid that road if I could. Of course, I avoid Jersey so its easy for me!

Some images posted elsewhere make it pretty clear the light pole raked the fuselage while the tire caved in the windshield. Driver is lucky as hell

Vestal_Flame said:

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I grew up at the edge of IAH. After a while, you just don't hear it, except when it is so loud that it stops conversation. I can remember planes flying in low enough to overturn cassette tapes that were standing on edge on the kitchen table.

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My grandparent's house was right under the approach to Carswell. My father grew up with B-36s going over all the time. Later it was B-52s when I visited as a kid. Shook the whole house. I never could see getting used to that.

But then again my first apartment at A&M was right on the railroad tracks. Eventually it was hard to sleep without the noise of the train.

Captain Steeeve says the pilots should have insisted on the longer runways

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Captain Steeeve says the pilots should have insisted on the longer runways

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Capt Steeeve is not the one to listen to on this one. Juan Browne at blancolirio has the better analysis. Here's both:

a family member prefers Captain Steeeve

Probably another female pilot. Her dad thought he'd been successful at raising her by keeping her off the pole. Turns out he didn't.

Using the longer runways would've meant landing in 15kt crosswinds with gusts to 30kt. They want to avoid that if possible.

Tramp96 said:

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Eliminatus said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Who had the right of way?

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The biggest mass always has the rye of way

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As a former motorcycle rider, we had a life-saving phrase:

There is right of way, and then there is right of weight. On a bike, I always deferred to the right of weight.

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When I lived and worked in Houston in the early 1980's, I drove an old '64 International C-900 pickup and a Triumph motorcycle.

When I was on my motorcycle, I never tried to take the right of way over others. My job was to avoid them.

On the other hand, when driving that old pickup, big trucks would sometimes take my right of way, but the fancier the car, the less of a chance. I actually saw an entitled Rolls Royce driver try to take my right of way once -- he didn't get it.

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Vestal_Flame said:

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I grew up at the edge of IAH. After a while, you just don't hear it, except when it is so loud that it stops conversation. I can remember planes flying in low enough to overturn cassette tapes that were standing on edge on the kitchen table.

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My grandparent's house was right under the approach to Carswell. My father grew up with B-36s going over all the time. Later it was B-52s when I visited as a kid. Shook the whole house. I never could see getting used to that.

But then again my first apartment at A&M was right on the railroad tracks. Eventually it was hard to sleep without the noise of the train.

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When I was a kid, we were 100 miles from the nearest SAC base which was in Amarillo. We loved seeing B-52's fly over ab about 300 to 600 feet agl.

FTAG 2000 said:

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Some images posted elsewhere make it pretty clear the light pole raked the fuselage while the tire caved in the windshield. Driver is lucky as hell

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Wheels hit the trailer, not the cab.

The wheel trucks on a 767 however lean/drop forward unlike ever other multi tandem that angle backwards.

You don't have to worry about getting struck by one, but near Oceana in VaBeach it is always noisy.

DannyDuberstein said:

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Probably another female pilot. Her dad thought he'd been successful at raising her by keeping her off the pole. Turns out he didn't.

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I saw it.

So Juan says the contact is roughly 630 feet from the runway threshold and the plane was on a 3 degree slope. So, you trig guys figure out what the height of the plane should have been.

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flown-the-coop said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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Jock 07 said:

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I thought I had read that the plane clipped the light pole and the pole is what actually hit the truck.

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that's correct.

The problem is there's no buffer between the road and the runway. And that runway is really short - like 6500 or 7000 feet. For a 767 I think you need something like 6000 feet to land. So they were probably trying to put the plane down as quick as possible and caught a gust of wind at the last second.

Also heard that the pilots and passengers on board had no clue what happened until well after the fact.

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United plane tire hit the bakery truck. A light pole was also clipped which evidently poked a hole in the plane and the pole hit a jeep.

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A United 767, Light Pole, Jeep and Bakery Truck walk into a bar...

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and ordered a test pilot.

flakrat said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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Jock 07 said:

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I thought I had read that the plane clipped the light pole and the pole is what actually hit the truck.

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that's correct.

The problem is there's no buffer between the road and the runway. And that runway is really short - like 6500 or 7000 feet. For a 767 I think you need something like 6000 feet to land. So they were probably trying to put the plane down as quick as possible and caught a gust of wind at the last second.

Also heard that the pilots and passengers on board had no clue what happened until well after the fact.

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United plane tire hit the bakery truck. A light pole was also clipped which evidently poked a hole in the plane and the pole hit a jeep.

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A United 767, Light Pole, Jeep and Bakery Truck walk into a bar...

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The fourth one ducked?