I haven't read this entire thread, but you can get a Model S Plaid (1020 hp) with decent mileage for $50 - $60k. I'd be all over that if I didn't recently get a new car.

hph6203 said:

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I don't need to "take it up" with anyone or anything. It's a clarification of why two companies both claim best selling model. You're a real piece of work all over this forum.

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Seems my comment was removed. Stop being a drama queen.

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I have bought 3 Teslas without incentives and going to be a 4th soon. I guess I missed the memo.

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Why have you bought so many Teslas? They haven't been out that long. Do you operate a fleet of them, or are they crapping out that fast?

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Most people are leasing or are rolling negative equity over regardless of ICE or EV. Not saying Medaggie is doing that but what he posted is pretty typical for most Americans.

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It's true. There's a luxury car sales guy on YouTube they post on the automotive forum and it's crazy what people do.

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When I bought my Cadillac 10 years ago, my sales guy told me way back then that 80% of his transactions were leases.

I'm guessing it's 90%+ at this point.

YouBet said:

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techno-ag said:

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YouBet said:

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I have bought 3 Teslas without incentives and going to be a 4th soon. I guess I missed the memo.

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Why have you bought so many Teslas? They haven't been out that long. Do you operate a fleet of them, or are they crapping out that fast?

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Most people are leasing or are rolling negative equity over regardless of ICE or EV. Not saying Medaggie is doing that but what he posted is pretty typical for most Americans.

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It's true. There's a luxury car sales guy on YouTube they post on the automotive forum and it's crazy what people do.

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When I bought my Cadillac 10 years ago, my sales guy told me way back then that 80% of his transactions were leases.

I'm guessing it's 90%+ at this point.

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Cadillac!!! Snob!!!


J/K

I've had Honda, Lexus, Ford, VW and now BMW. I've never had an issue with either of them. Still have my 2005 Acura MDX, 228,000 miles, my youngest drives now as did his two older brothers. We keep our vehicles for 8-10 years before getting a new one. Always have one vehicle note and nothing more. Keep the maintenance and you are good to go. Maybe I've been lucky with my purchases, but I think not. Research goes a long way towards buying a new vehicle.

I was a BMW snob before I got a Tesla. But my rule was to never ever keep one past warranty. I have a 2023 GMC AT4 now with an extended warranty that I'll keep for a while. A 2025 Corvette LT1 that is fun, but not sure how long I'll have it. Not driving it or enjoying it nearly as much as I expected to. And the 2026 Model Y that we will keep until the HW5 computer equipped Y's come out in 2027 or 2028.

We rarely keep any vehicle long than 3 to 4 years.

They are saying Hardware 5 may never be in vehicles, rather Optimus. Looks like Hardware 4 or 4.5 will handle everything Tesla vehicles need for a while including autonomous driving / Grok functionality etc

Yeah, I've driven 2 cars in the last 20 years. A 2006 Lexus IS350 and my current Cadillac coupe. Traded in the Lexus simply out of boredom but it was a fantastic car.

When I trade or sell this one next year, I'll likely go something 4WD because we are now moving to place where a 2 door sports car isn't super practical.

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I was a BMW snob before I got a Tesla. But my rule was to never ever keep one past warranty. I have a 2023 GMC AT4 now with an extended warranty that I'll keep for a while. A 2025 Corvette LT1 that is fun, but not sure how long I'll have it. Not driving it or enjoying it nearly as much as I expected to. And the 2026 Model Y that we will keep until the HW5 computer equipped Y's come out in 2027 or 2028.

We rarely keep any vehicle long than 3 to 4 years.

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I'm not BMW snob like you're a Tesla snob. I bought on CR recommendation on a model. BMW's are solid depending on what model you purchase. Again labeling me a BMW snob is a bit rude considering you don't know me. Have an awesome day.

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hph6203 said:

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I don't need to "take it up" with anyone or anything. It's a clarification of why two companies both claim best selling model. You're a real piece of work all over this forum.

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Tesla Model Y is number 5 per Car and Driver: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g71006285/bestselling-cars-2026/

Not even close to #1 here either: https://www.best-selling-cars.com/usa/2026-q1-usa-top-10-best-selling-vehicle-models/

These sources are the 1st two google results for best selling car of 2026.

Your claim that it will continue to be the best selling car after the federal incentives ended is not supported by current data/trends.

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Now you've done it.

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So Toyota has the best selling car in the world. OP is still holding up.

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hph6203 said:

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I don't need to "take it up" with anyone or anything. It's a clarification of why two companies both claim best selling model. You're a real piece of work all over this forum.

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Tesla Model Y is number 5 per Car and Driver: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g71006285/bestselling-cars-2026/

Not even close to #1 here either: https://www.best-selling-cars.com/usa/2026-q1-usa-top-10-best-selling-vehicle-models/

These sources are the 1st two google results for best selling car of 2026.

Your claim that it will continue to be the best selling car after the federal incentives ended is not supported by current data/trends.

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The claim is globally. It was a claim for the total year 2025. These are 2026 numbers and domestic numbers only.

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hph6203 said:

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I don't need to "take it up" with anyone or anything. It's a clarification of why two companies both claim best selling model. You're a real piece of work all over this forum.

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Tesla Model Y is number 5 per Car and Driver: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g71006285/bestselling-cars-2026/

Not even close to #1 here either: https://www.best-selling-cars.com/usa/2026-q1-usa-top-10-best-selling-vehicle-models/

These sources are the 1st two google results for best selling car of 2026.

Your claim that it will continue to be the best selling car after the federal incentives ended is not supported by current data/trends.

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The claim is globally. It was a claim for the total year 2025. These are 2026 numbers and domestic numbers only.

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You didn't discern between US and globally, you said it was the best seller. All I did was point out that in 2026 it's not then you got your panties in wad or should I say batteries in a wad.

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hph6203 said:

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I don't need to "take it up" with anyone or anything. It's a clarification of why two companies both claim best selling model. You're a real piece of work all over this forum.

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Tesla Model Y is number 5 per Car and Driver: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g71006285/bestselling-cars-2026/

Not even close to #1 here either: https://www.best-selling-cars.com/usa/2026-q1-usa-top-10-best-selling-vehicle-models/

These sources are the 1st two google results for best selling car of 2026.

Your claim that it will continue to be the best selling car after the federal incentives ended is not supported by current data/trends.

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The claim is globally. It was a claim for the total year 2025. These are 2026 numbers and domestic numbers only.

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It should be self evident that we are talking about US sales when we're discussing the impact of US tax policy removing the incentive to purchase.

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hph6203 said:

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hph6203 said:

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I don't need to "take it up" with anyone or anything. It's a clarification of why two companies both claim best selling model. You're a real piece of work all over this forum.

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Tesla Model Y is number 5 per Car and Driver: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g71006285/bestselling-cars-2026/

Not even close to #1 here either: https://www.best-selling-cars.com/usa/2026-q1-usa-top-10-best-selling-vehicle-models/

These sources are the 1st two google results for best selling car of 2026.

Your claim that it will continue to be the best selling car after the federal incentives ended is not supported by current data/trends.

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The claim is globally. It was a claim for the total year 2025. These are 2026 numbers and domestic numbers only.

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You didn't discern between US and globally, you said it was the best seller. All I did was point out that in 2026 it's not then you got your panties in wad.

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I didn't make the claim, I clarified information about it. Medaggie said it was the best selling vehicle worldwide and then you said the Corolla was the best selling vehicle in 2026. Then I said that's a total of several different body styles and would be akin to Tesla counting the Model Y and Model 3 as a singular model. An entirely neutral clarification, and then you got bent out of shape and being overly aggressive about something you have zero knowledge about, as evidenced by the fact you're simultaneously claiming the Corolla is the best selling vehicle and also claiming it wasn't known it was a claim about global sales (F-150 has been the best selling vehicle for half a century), by telling me to take it up with the report. Someone might say that's a case of wadded panties over me giving you a factual statement.

I responded by saying you've been a real piece of work across multiple threads in this forum, being overly aggressive about stuff you aren't actually tracking the conversation flow of.

It was in fact a claim about worldwide sales. In no world are companies comparing a single quarter worth of sales of vehicles for what is "the best selling", because strategies differ, cyclicality differs:

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I was just told on this thread that people just buy b/c of gov incentives. Tsla still has the best worldwide selling car before and will after the incentives are gone.

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hph6203 said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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hph6203 said:

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I don't need to "take it up" with anyone or anything. It's a clarification of why two companies both claim best selling model. You're a real piece of work all over this forum.

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Tesla Model Y is number 5 per Car and Driver: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g71006285/bestselling-cars-2026/

Not even close to #1 here either: https://www.best-selling-cars.com/usa/2026-q1-usa-top-10-best-selling-vehicle-models/

These sources are the 1st two google results for best selling car of 2026.

Your claim that it will continue to be the best selling car after the federal incentives ended is not supported by current data/trends.

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The claim is globally. It was a claim for the total year 2025. These are 2026 numbers and domestic numbers only.

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You didn't discern between US and globally, you said it was the best seller. All I did was point out that in 2026 it's not then you got your panties in wad.

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I didn't make the claim, I clarified information about it. Medaggie said it was the best selling vehicle worldwide and then you said the Corolla was the best selling vehicle in 2026. Then I said that's a total of several different body styles and would be akin to Tesla counting the Model Y and Model 3 as a singular model. An entirely neutral clarification, and then you got bent out of shape and being overly aggressive about something you have zero knowledge about, as evidenced by the fact you're simultaneously claiming the Corolla is the best selling vehicle and also claiming it wasn't known it was a claim about global sales (F-150 has been the best selling vehicle for half a century), by telling me to take it up with the report. Someone might say that's a case of wadded panties over me giving you a factual statement.

I responded by saying you've been a real piece of work across multiple threads in this forum, being overly aggressive about stuff you aren't actually tracking the conversation flow of.

It was in fact a claim about worldwide sales. In no world are companies comparing a single quarter worth of sales of vehicles for what is "the best selling", because strategies differ, cyclicality differs:

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I was just told on this thread that people just buy b/c of gov incentives. Tsla still has the best worldwide selling car before and will after the incentives are gone.

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Again, you're being a drama queen. That's not overly aggressive, just stating a fact. I do track the threads I follow. Sorry if you don't agree, but you called me out first THEN I responded. Simple.

I didn't call you out first, you were antagonistic first. You said Corolla was the best selling vehicle. I said the only world in which that is true is when Toyota treats a variety of different body styles as a singular model, which is not the same thing that Tesla does with their Model Y claim. That is not a call out, it's a clarification of the facts. Then you got bent out of shape over that clarification and told me to take it up with the report (antagonistic) and I said you're overly antagonistic.

You: Benign fact, Toyota claims best selling with Corolla.
Me: Benign fact about the nature of that claim.
You: Respond with antagonism.

You don't actually track the discussion on threads, you look for fights. You did it on the Jimmy Kimmel thread where everyone was agreeing with you in principle about Jimmy Kimmel, but were so antagonistic that the entire thread assumed you were a liberal based upon your responses/tone/aggression.

I think yall have beat this one to death.

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I didn't call you out first, you were antagonistic first. You said Corolla was the best selling vehicle. I said the only world in which that is true is when Toyota treats a variety of different body styles as a singular model, which is not the same thing that Tesla does with their Model Y claim. That is not a call out, it's a clarification of the facts. Then you got bent out of shape over that clarification and told me to take it up with the report (antagonistic) and I said you're overly antagonistic.

You: Benign fact, Toyota claims best selling with Corolla.
Me: Benign fact about the nature of that claim.
You: Respond with antagonism.

You don't actually track the discussion on threads, you look for fights. You did it on the Jimmy Kimmel thread where everyone was agreeing with you in principle about Jimmy Kimmel, but were so antagonistic that the entire thread assumed you were a liberal based upon your responses/tone/aggression.

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It was a report dude. I simply looked it up as another did and just Toyota was leading this year. You went off on different models, not me. I wasn't antagonizing on that thread, perhaps you are overly sensitive. No one thought I was liberal on the other thread, again you are reading way too much into things just like here.

1st vs top 2 vs top 3, talk about arguing just to argue The point doesn't change that EVs are not a Niche product.

They posted this meme in response to you multiple times. You had to tell them you weren't a liberal. In what world did they not think you were? They thought you were because you have a bent towards antagonism even with people who agree with you, which is what happened on that thread over, and over, and over. You should go back and read your responses on this thread and on that thread to do some self reflection about "how did I come across here to a person unfamiliar with me?" You seem to be totally unaware.

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I was a BMW snob before I got a Tesla. But my rule was to never ever keep one past warranty. I have a 2023 GMC AT4 now with an extended warranty that I'll keep for a while. A 2025 Corvette LT1 that is fun, but not sure how long I'll have it. Not driving it or enjoying it nearly as much as I expected to. And the 2026 Model Y that we will keep until the HW5 computer equipped Y's come out in 2027 or 2028.

We rarely keep any vehicle long than 3 to 4 years.

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I'm not BMW snob like you're a Tesla snob. I bought on CR recommendation on a model. BMW's are solid depending on what model you purchase. Again labeling me a BMW snob is a bit rude considering you don't know me. Have an awesome day.

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I didn't say you were a BMW snob. I said I was. Reading is FunDemental.

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They posted this meme in response to you multiple times. You had to tell them you weren't a liberal. In what world did they not think you were? They thought you were because you have a bent towards antagonism even with people who agree with you, which is what happened on that thread over, and over, and over. You should go back and read your responses on this thread and on that thread to do some self reflection about "how did I come across here to a person unfamiliar with me?" You seem to be totally unaware.

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Thank you doctor. You finished with your diagnosis?

Totally not antagonistic, totally following the thread.

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Arguing on a Tesla thread on your phone while the Tesla drives is kind of funny

I went home to go check on my new robot lawnmower

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Mammotion Luba 3? That baby is going to be mine as soon as I get the house built.

It's a long term project. You'll need to find someone local to you that can dedicate the time you really need.

Charging infrastructure deployments are beginning for Tesla Semi.

Our new 125 kW Basecharger is designed for longer dwell times and overnight charging of Semis. It's the "home charging" for heavy-duty fleets.

It features a fully integrated design that eliminates the need for a separate AC-to-DC cabinet, simplifying installation. The 6 meter… https://t.co/ovy1C4PsRW pic.twitter.com/vBUCNMzs57

— Tesla Charging (@TeslaCharging) May 1, 2026

50,000 unit production line

First Semi off high volume line pic.twitter.com/fI1AdQrJFH

— Tesla Semi (@tesla_semi) April 29, 2026

Tesla is a good long term stock to own with their upcoming Uber competition, car rental business, semi business, robotics, car business. They are going to disrupt the market in a good way…

Forgot Megapack and soon to be a massive ramp in domestic solar panel production.

Their solar roof is something we'll look at closely in the future, especially with the advances coming

China invasion.

Tesla has launched a new Model 3 lineup in Canada, introducing the Model 3 Premium RWD starting at $39,490 CAD (that converts to just $29,000 USD!).

Tesla has also cut the Model 3 Performance price by 17% to $74,990 CAD (from $89,990).

The Model 3 Premium RWD trim is about 50%… pic.twitter.com/hmakzOyl7G

— Sawyer Merritt (@SawyerMerritt) May 2, 2026

That is crazy cheap. I don't think there is any car sub 30k car that gives you so much.

Yeah, that's going to disrupt things for sure. Elon clearly trying to compete with Chinese EV prices.

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The first solid state batteries are entering production in late 2026, so very soon there won't be much reason to buy a gas engine car. 600+ mile range, 0-80% charge in 8 minutes, and the ultra fast and smooth acceleration that EVs are known for delivering = why would you buy anything but an EV? Well, unless you're a lolpoor I guess.

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It's still funny to see people here that are still in denial about the future though.

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Oh, we're not in denial. We're just … still waiting. Every year we hear about how great EVs are going to be.

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Have you test driven one?
I was an EV sceptic, until I drove a Tesla.
Holy smokes, that thing will change your mind. 3 minutes in I was sold. Haven't regretted it.
In 10 years, I haven't met a single Tesla owner that doesn't love their car.

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Yep agree. My wife is tiny and just felt like she could not see well enough out of her 2025 Lexus Nx hybrid. Great car but man if you get on it the drone sound was rough.

Took her to test drive a Tesla and we never looked back. I rarely drive the car anymore. FSD 90%

It's perfect for anyone driving 100 miles or less a day. Costs 1/10 the price of driving my ram truck.

A bit of a pain on longer road trips. I don't see going back.

If they had a nice truck that wasn't like a moving triangle I'd buy one

"I hated EV's until I drove a Tesla…" seems to be an ever increasing thing to say on these threads. And there's a reason for that.