And water is wet.

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And water is wet.

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You and Gilligan are in the same boat!

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And water is wet.

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You and Gilligan are in the same boat!

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I see what you did there.

Unfortunately all this mental illness is not just a three hour tour!

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And water is wet.

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You and Gilligan are in the same boat!

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And that boat has a hole in it, Little Buddy.

The docs, nurses, hospital admins and politicians that promoted this crap should be sent to the funny farm. Or taken out back to be drawn and quartered.

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I always thought it was crazy to indulge a delusion. We don't do this with anorexia or schizophrenia in teens.

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And water is wet.

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You and Gilligan are in the same boat!

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And that boat has a hole in it, Little Buddy.

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I assume CDUB98 packed the coconut shell craft book.

I misread the title as WaltonAg18 completed his degree in Transgender Outcomes and was just here to congratulate them.

But yes, good post OP. And agree with the sentiment that the trans nonsense will undermine the left for decades to come. Their crazy continues to become more obvious and desperate as time goes on. As the actual damage from their hateful, evil, disgusting ways continues to percolate, more and more people will reject their debauchery.

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Great find OP and I'm glad the obvious result is gaining visibility but begs the question of why do they even need a study for a common sense outcome?

But kuddos to OP for making a pretty big jump to sanity from a few years ago back when it was a lot of leftist talking points. I don't mean this to poke fun at all, but as a genuine compliment for coming around to conservative reality.

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This is a registry study meaning that it looks to statistically analyze data and present it in potentially novel ways. They're particularly useful when they're long term like this.

Regarding your second point, too many of my religious and personal freedom beliefs don't mesh well with the political left. As time has gone on I have seen exactly what the extremists on the Democratic Party want to do with our country and refuse to bend the knee.

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You have now thrown me for a loop. I distinctly recall you being far left wing in the past.

Good to see you come around.

People are people.

They miss shots, or pills. And you take away their most fundamental biological processes, turn them against their human nature and then pump them full of hormones and force their bodies to undergo changes their DNA literally isn't built for, not to mention the horror show post op experiences... well no *****

I have a huge amount of sympathy for these people. The activists pushing this have done an incredible amount of damage to the whole culture with this insanity. And, unless trans themselves, will suffer almost no consequences from their actions. Insane.

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And the American left is all in for promoting this. The real question is why they do this. Is it that they support any deviancy to protect and normalize their own particular flavor? Is it virtue signaling to feel good about their otherwise miserable lives? Is it a reactionary reflex brought on by hatred of conservative values? Demonic possession? Or maybe it's all of the above.

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Hello, the American Left here. I'm going to oversimplify the answer to your question from my personal perspective.

It started as "respect others, be yourself, be proud of who you are and don't let anyone make you feel bad for who you are."

It then became "we should accept all people for who they are."

Then it was "I should be able to freely express my private life in public."

And finally, it became "you must accept us expressing ourselves in public whether you disagree or not. And if you don't, you're in the wrong."

And so, this process "normalized" this stuff in certain circles. Then come the politicians who see this as a way to drum up support, and go along with it.

Basically, no one has the balls to hit the brakes and risk tanking their own career. So they buy in and people who might not otherwise be on board with this also go along because they don't want to cry foul and hurt feeeelings.


Oversimplified, but there's a rundown. And if you were wondering (probably not), I am against this stuff - specifically children.

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It isn't that leftists are ignorant. It is that they believe so much that isn't so. Reagan stated it correctly. They deceive themselves, then eachother. They have maybe at first a suspicion of the validity of what they believe but they know they must repeat and endorse the approved narratives to signsl group membership and repeating lies, misinformation, and propaganda demonstrates fealty to the ideology in a very Orwellian sense. The sociopaths amongst them that know better can then steer the ship with deceptive rhetoric and it is repeated within closed accepted circles such that the naive take it for truth.

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I once heard a Harvard prof say something along the lines of "we've gotten really good at convincing ourselves that our bad ideas are true".

Went to Finland last year. Beautiful country.

This does not surprise me. It's not even that hard to figure out.

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So, is the study Finnished or not?

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Nor way it's complete after just 25 years

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IIIHorn said:

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So, is the study Finnished or not?

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Nor way it's complete after just 25 years

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I bet the left is Sweden bullets after seeing this study come out.

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A new study with a total cohort of close to 20,000 participants has been published. In Finland, those receiving transgender operations were required to registered with the health department and their outcomes were looked at over the course of 25 years. The results are clear: so-called "trans affirming care" led to drastic increases in suicide rates as well as higher requirements for psychiatric treatment.

The study, published this week in Acta Paediatrica, was led by Professor Riittakerttu Kaltiala of Tampere University Hospital.

Kaltiala has run Finland's youth gender clinic since 2011. She also served on the UK's Cass Review advisory board. pic.twitter.com/ib11OIfN2L

— Kurt Mahlburg (@k_mahlburg) April 7, 2026

This is stating the obvious for many here, but look to the media and the agendas to be sweeping this under the rug and trying to discredit it as soon as they can.

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And yet the US media, medical lobby, and trans-activists will ignore or rationalize their way into enacting more evil upon children and mentally ill adults.

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It's simple. They will argue that the problem isn't mental illness of the person believing themselves to be trans. The problem is how society continues to not validate them. They need MORE "gender-affirming" care, and likely at a younger age, so that they can be more passable as a person of the opposite sex. That is the only obvious solution.

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The obvious answer is "You do not treat the mental illness by enabling the illness". Lesson learned.

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How long has Alcoholics Anonymous used this simple, logical approach for treatment?

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doubledog said:

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The obvious answer is "You do not treat the mental illness by enabling the illness". Lesson learned.

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How long has Alcoholics Anonymous used this simple, logical approach for treatment?

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Dude, cutting off your sexual organs and creating fake ones leading to abnormally high rates of suicide is totally normal behavior that should not be compared to the horrors of an eating disorder or being an alcoholic.

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Great find OP and I'm glad the obvious result is gaining visibility but begs the question of why do they even need a study for a common sense outcome?

But kuddos to OP for making a pretty big jump to sanity from a few years ago back when it was a lot of leftist talking points. I don't mean this to poke fun at all, but as a genuine compliment for coming around to conservative reality.

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This is a registry study meaning that it looks to statistically analyze data and present it in potentially novel ways. They're particularly useful when they're long term like this.

Regarding your second point, too many of my religious and personal freedom beliefs don't mesh well with the political left. As time has gone on I have seen exactly what the extremists on the Democratic Party want to do with our country and refuse to bend the knee.

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You have now thrown me for a loop. I distinctly recall you being far left wing in the past.

Good to see you come around.

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I don't want to derail this thread too hard, but I will say that the viewpoint of "talk to your neighbor and you'll have more in common with them than with the average politician" is very accurately stated here. We agree on more than you'd expect, but the avenue on which those views are accomplished might be where we disagree. As a pro-gun, pro-life Catholic who believes in limited government, I have seen the vitriol that can bring about as the party lines move further and further away from sanity.

Remember -

That professor must be transphobic.
The science they used (in this case) can't be trusted.
Men can cut off their bits and be women, and women can cut off their bits and be men - b/c my feelz told me it is acceptable.
And Ultimately i do not care if these people are in worse shape now than before…


That's what lefties actually have to do, to disregard this.

smh.

They've mutilated and chemically-castrated thousands of children, and they think the outcome was going to be better?

I get that a study like this is needed to affirm what we already know. Good that it's out there. Most of this is a mixture of social contagion, peer pressure, and kids just being gay.

How many "Goth" kids back in our day would be under the knife today? I can imagine quite a few.

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"It isn't that leftists are ignorant. It is that they believe so much that isn't so....."

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In other words, leftists are not ignorant...leftists are stupid.

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American Hardwood said:

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And the American left is all in for promoting this. The real question is why they do this. Is it that they support any deviancy to protect and normalize their own particular flavor? Is it virtue signaling to feel good about their otherwise miserable lives? Is it a reactionary reflex brought on by hatred of conservative values? Demonic possession? Or maybe it's all of the above.

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Hello, the American Left here. I'm going to oversimplify the answer to your question from my personal perspective.

It started as "respect others, be yourself, be proud of who you are and don't let anyone make you feel bad for who you are."

It then became "we should accept all people for who they are."

Then it was "I should be able to freely express my private life in public."

And finally, it became "you must accept us expressing ourselves in public whether you disagree or not. And if you don't, you're in the wrong."

And so, this process "normalized" this stuff in certain circles. Then come the politicians who see this as a way to drum up support, and go along with it.

Basically, no one has the balls to hit the brakes and risk tanking their own career. So they buy in and people who might not otherwise be on board with this also go along because they don't want to cry foul and hurt feeeelings.


Oversimplified, but there's a rundown. And if you were wondering (probably not), I am against this stuff - specifically children.

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I appreciate the honest response.

You have outlined what I would consider a fundamental problem with "liberal" thinking (I differentiate between fundamental leftism and modern American liberalism) as I believe you are describing here. There is often a good intention at the start of this process, but the good liberal never sees past the first step to see the slippery slope to tyranny that is the end result.

And the secondary problem with liberal "good intentions" is that there is often the assumption that their intent actual produces good results. This is aside from the slippery slope argument. For example, in the case of trans will "respect others, be yourself, be proud of who you are and don't let anyone make you feel bad for who you are." result in a healthy, well-adjusted trans person? The study by the OP suggests no, because that otherwise reasonable statement is telling a mentally unhealthy person that they should be proud and happy that they are mentally ill instead of accepting they are unhealthy and seeking appropriate help.

These two arguments are my foundation for my belief that liberalism is fundamentally shallow as it is practiced. I don't think the modern American liberal is necessarily a bad person or has ill intent, it's just that the results matter. This is in contrast with leftism whose entire premise is subjugation of all people and outright elimination of counter ideology.

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They've mutilated and chemically-castrated thousands of children, and they think the outcome was going to be better?

I get that a study like this is needed to affirm what we already know. Good that it's out there. Most of this is a mixture of social contagion, peer pressure, and kids just being gay.

How many "Goth" kids back in our day would be under the knife today? I can imagine quite a few.

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Guess what? They aren't gay either. They are children under immense social and emotional pressure to fit in, and they experience that pressure 24/7 through the media, both legacy and social, through peers, and from adults.

A couple months ago my 12 year old daughter made a big deal out of telling us that she thought she was asexual and some other made up word that means she is attracted to fictional characters. She has no social media access, and her mother and I have a solid grasp on what she reads/watches, both at home and school. (As much as any parent can). Asked her why, and she said her friends were all starting to like boys/girls and she wasn't and didn't understand why she was different, so she must be whatever this made-up crap was that she heard from another friend.

I told her that she's not asexual or cartoon sexual…she's 12. She's not any kind of sexual. Kids her age develop romantic feelings and urges at different times, and that she's not weird or abnormal for not having those kinds of feelings, she just hasn't gotten to that part of her life yet. After we discussed, she felt a lot more comfortable with not needing a label.

A few weeks later, she comes to my wife asking her about what it feels like to have a crush, and did she have a crush on one of her friends? So my wife asked her why she thought she had a crush, and she said because she likes her friend, and they like hanging out, and she thinks her friend has pretty hair, and her friend says that she's a lesbian, so my daughter must be one too, right? So we ask her if she has any romantic inclinations or urges. No? You aren't a lesbian. You don't have a crush on her. You can like, admire and even think other people are pretty without romantic or sexual attraction. She left much less confused.

If parents would actually parent their kids instead of being friends with them, and would try to raise and guide them instead of shaping them into their little narcissistic trophies of social bravery, then maybe kids wouldn't be so ****ed up, so confused, and so desperate to find a label and an identity for themselves.

Excellent response, imo. I agree with several of your statements. Thanks for reminding me why I still lurk here after all these years.

Yes, ideological intent is sufficient to satisfy most leftist progressive types. They mean to do good, or want to feel like they set out to do good. Focusing only on intent allows them to dodge responsibility for actual outcomes or unintended consequences, which are often actually blamed on conservatives interfering or specific failed leaders improperly implementing the ideology. They simply ignore failure because it indicates fundamental ideological flaws and that is unthinkable to them, because they have stated with the twin presumptions that the ideology is inherently morally superior, and thus those attempting implementation are also, and so harm done was at worst a necessary evil.

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You mean, letting mentally ill people chop up their bodies, believing in some magic transformation, like a butterfly will fix their world and make life perfect? Yeah, common sense already has the results.

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Tattoos and Body Piercings are the gateway drugs to transgenderism

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You forgot hair weaves and coloring

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So, is the study Finnished or not?

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I bet the left is Sweden bullets after seeing this study come out.

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Looming Scandalnavians

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So, is the study Finnished or not?

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Nor way it's complete after just 25 years

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I bet the left is Sweden bullets after seeing this study come out.

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Buh dum bump!

Groundbreaking!

Transgender people are nuts? Who knew?!!!!

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Hopefully the day will come when we look back on these procedures the way we currently look at lobotomies.

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I would much rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

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They've mutilated and chemically-castrated thousands of children, and they think the outcome was going to be better?

I get that a study like this is needed to affirm what we already know. Good that it's out there. Most of this is a mixture of social contagion, peer pressure, and kids just being gay.

How many "Goth" kids back in our day would be under the knife today? I can imagine quite a few.

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Guess what? They aren't gay either. They are children under immense social and emotional pressure to fit in, and they experience that pressure 24/7 through the media, both legacy and social, through peers, and from adults.

A couple months ago my 12 year old daughter made a big deal out of telling us that she thought she was asexual and some other made up word that means she is attracted to fictional characters. She has no social media access, and her mother and I have a solid grasp on what she reads/watches, both at home and school. (As much as any parent can). Asked her why, and she said her friends were all starting to like boys/girls and she wasn't and didn't understand why she was different, so she must be whatever this made-up crap was that she heard from another friend.

I told her that she's not asexual or cartoon sexual…she's 12. She's not any kind of sexual. Kids her age develop romantic feelings and urges at different times, and that she's not weird or abnormal for not having those kinds of feelings, she just hasn't gotten to that part of her life yet. After we discussed, she felt a lot more comfortable with not needing a label.

A few weeks later, she comes to my wife asking her about what it feels like to have a crush, and did she have a crush on one of her friends? So my wife asked her why she thought she had a crush, and she said because she likes her friend, and they like hanging out, and she thinks her friend has pretty hair, and her friend says that she's a lesbian, so my daughter must be one too, right? So we ask her if she has any romantic inclinations or urges. No? You aren't a lesbian. You don't have a crush on her. You can like, admire and even think other people are pretty without romantic or sexual attraction. She left much less confused.

If parents would actually parent their kids instead of being friends with them, and would try to raise and guide them instead of shaping them into their little narcissistic trophies of social bravery, then maybe kids wouldn't be so ****ed up, so confused, and so desperate to find a label and an identity for themselves.

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My youngest is 25 and I'm so sorry you're going through any of that. Wife and I never had to even fathom those conversations let alone have them. Scares the crap out of me for my kids and their kids.

It's just not right.

I appreciate that sentiment, but I don't mind having those conversations. I wish we didn't have to, but I'm glad she brings this stuff to us.

Part of the difference between us and many of the other parents of kids her age is that we are a little older. I'm 47, my wife is 44. The bigger difference is that we have a solid view of right and wrong, and that we clearly articulate that with our daughter. We also don't hesitate to tell her that her friends (and their parents) are idiots and don't know what they are talking about. We are also crystal clear that we are her parents, not her buddies. That's not a negative thing. She's got plenty of friends. She will only ever have two parents, so that relationship is something deeper and more precious than simple friendship.

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And the American left is all in for promoting this. The real question is why they do this. Is it that they support any deviancy to protect and normalize their own particular flavor? Is it virtue signaling to feel good about their otherwise miserable lives? Is it a reactionary reflex brought on by hatred of conservative values? Demonic possession? Or maybe it's all of the above.

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I think at a basic level, it is anti-Christian and they wet themselves over anything like that.