Finnish study of transgender outcomes

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A new study with a total cohort of close to 20,000 participants has been published. In Finland, those receiving transgender operations were required to registered with the health department and their outcomes were looked at over the course of 25 years. The results are clear: so-called "trans affirming care" led to drastic increases in suicide rates as well as higher requirements for psychiatric treatment.



This is stating the obvious for many here, but look to the media and the agendas to be sweeping this under the rug and trying to discredit it as soon as they can.
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And the American left is all in for promoting this. The real question is why they do this. Is it that they support any deviancy to protect and normalize their own particular flavor? Is it virtue signaling to feel good about their otherwise miserable lives? Is it a reactionary reflex brought on by hatred of conservative values? Demonic possession? Or maybe it's all of the above.
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A 25-year study to figure out what anyone with a functioning mind could grasp.
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True but the data will be damning to normalization efforts.
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WaltonAg18 said:

A new study with a total cohort of close to 20,000 participants has been published. In Finland, those receiving transgender operations were required to registered with the health department and their outcomes were looked at over the course of 25 years. The results are clear: so-called "trans affirming care" led to drastic increases in suicide rates as well as higher requirements for psychiatric treatment.

This is stating the obvious for many here, but look to the media and the agendas to be sweeping this under the rug and trying to discredit it as soon as they can.

The obvious answer is "You do not treat the mental illness by enabling the illness". Lesson learned.
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Hopefully the day will come when we look back on these procedures the way we currently look at lobotomies.
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It isn't that leftists are ignorant. It is that they believe so much that isn't so. Reagan stated it correctly. They deceive themselves, then eachother. They have maybe at first a suspicion of the validity of what they believe but they know they must repeat and endorse the approved narratives to signsl group membership and repeating lies, misinformation, and propaganda demonstrates fealty to the ideology in a very Orwellian sense. The sociopaths amongst them that know better can then steer the ship with deceptive rhetoric and it is repeated within closed accepted circles such that the naive take it for truth.
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doubledog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

A new study with a total cohort of close to 20,000 participants has been published. In Finland, those receiving transgender operations were required to registered with the health department and their outcomes were looked at over the course of 25 years. The results are clear: so-called "trans affirming care" led to drastic increases in suicide rates as well as higher requirements for psychiatric treatment.

This is stating the obvious for many here, but look to the media and the agendas to be sweeping this under the rug and trying to discredit it as soon as they can.

The obvious answer is "You do not treat the mental illness by enabling the illness". Lesson learned.

It was so common sense that it's a lesson that shouldn't have had to be learned. The left forced it on humanity for nothing more than pure politics. They couldn't care less that their enabling and encouragement destroyed the lives of countless human beings. That's how desperate they are to control every single aspect of our existence.
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Great find OP and I'm glad the obvious result is gaining visibility but begs the question of why do they even need a study for a common sense outcome?

But kuddos to OP for making a pretty big jump to sanity from a few years ago back when it was a lot of leftist talking points. I don't mean this to poke fun at all, but as a genuine compliment for coming around to conservative reality.
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I always thought it was crazy to indulge a delusion. We don't do this with anorexia or schizophrenia in teens.
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WaltonAg18 said:

A new study with a total cohort of close to 20,000 participants has been published. In Finland, those receiving transgender operations were required to registered with the health department and their outcomes were looked at over the course of 25 years. The results are clear: so-called "trans affirming care" led to drastic increases in suicide rates as well as higher requirements for psychiatric treatment.



This is stating the obvious for many here, but look to the media and the agendas to be sweeping this under the rug and trying to discredit it as soon as they can.

And yet the US media, medical lobby, and trans-activists will ignore or rationalize their way into enacting more evil upon children and mentally ill adults.
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The Left trotted out all sorts of stories about mental health, so a scientific study was absolutely called for.

My info is anecdotal, but we have the one guy here at work that had "gender confirmation" surgery. Just two years later, he's gone back to wearing men's clothing and is cool with using his original name. Not sure if he regrets getting his Johnson cut of (but guessing he does).
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It would be better to put these individuals in intensive mental therapy, rather than extensive surgeries.

There are always going to be individuals with severe psychological problems, and no amount of physical surgeries will properly treat them.
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This is the most "no s***" study, ever.
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I don't know if I'll live that long but I'm more interested in the eventual paper on Alzheimer's patients who had previously had gender re-assignment surgery.
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You mean, letting mentally ill people chop up their bodies, believing in some magic transformation, like a butterfly will fix their world and make life perfect? Yeah, common sense already has the results.
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MD1993 said:

You mean, letting mentally ill people chop up their bodies, believing in some magic transformation, like a butterfly will fix their world and make life perfect? Yeah, common sense already has the results.


Tattoos and Body Piercings are the gateway drugs to transgenderism
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This study is akin to the ones you see that show drunk people make bad decisions more than sober people. I also think it's odd that the US seems to be more left wing on this topic than even Europe.
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The science is settled!! We must protect (mutilate) trans kids!

Progressives are ignorant and evil. Scary combo.
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Let's start a new longitudinal study....round up all the leftists, deposit them in California and wall that ***** off for 25 years, no outside influence or financial support. I'll accept the outcome whatever the study shows.
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So, is the study Finnished or not?


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Tea Party said:

Great find OP and I'm glad the obvious result is gaining visibility but begs the question of why do they even need a study for a common sense outcome?

But kuddos to OP for making a pretty big jump to sanity from a few years ago back when it was a lot of leftist talking points. I don't mean this to poke fun at all, but as a genuine compliment for coming around to conservative reality.
This is a registry study meaning that it looks to statistically analyze data and present it in potentially novel ways. They're particularly useful when they're long term like this.

Regarding your second point, too many of my religious and personal freedom beliefs don't mesh well with the political left. As time has gone on I have seen exactly what the extremists on the Democratic Party want to do with our country and refuse to bend the knee.
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MelvinUdall said:

This is the most "no s***" study, ever.
Common sense isn't as common as it should be, and many times the defense of mutilating surgeries for younger victims especially comes with the citing of erroneous science. This was necessary.
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VaultingChemist said:

It would be better to put these individuals in intensive mental therapy, rather than extensive surgeries.

There are always going to be individuals with severe psychological problems, and no amount of physical surgeries will properly treat them.
The first step is the acknowledgement that it is a mental disorder, which many refuse to do. Once that acknowledgement is made, the next step is treatment. I have seen many online transgender communities and they see any and all attempts at treatment not as something to help them, but something that takes away their only identity.

There are many, MANY cases of unhappy, unfulfilled, socially inept men who can find no community other than other men that have put on a facade of this mental disorder. I've seen otherwise normal people experience some sort of heartbreak, and decided "I'm going to use they/them pronouns", and that is usually followed shortly thereafter by "actually I'm trans, I didn't realize it before". It is a tragedy of the modern society that is perpetuated and fueled by terminal online activity.
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doubledog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

A new study with a total cohort of close to 20,000 participants has been published. In Finland, those receiving transgender operations were required to registered with the health department and their outcomes were looked at over the course of 25 years. The results are clear: so-called "trans affirming care" led to drastic increases in suicide rates as well as higher requirements for psychiatric treatment.

This is stating the obvious for many here, but look to the media and the agendas to be sweeping this under the rug and trying to discredit it as soon as they can.

The obvious answer is "You do not treat the mental illness by enabling the illness". Lesson learned.

If I only had more than one star to give this.
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WaltonAg18 said:

MelvinUdall said:

This is the most "no s***" study, ever.
Common sense isn't as common as it should be, and many times the defense of mutilating surgeries for younger victims especially comes with the citing of erroneous science. This was necessary.


Aren't you a Lib? I guess I have you confused with another poster.
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Water is wet...
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Gender affirming care, global warming, Obamacare, Covid 19 response, etc. How many times does the left get to be completely wrong about everything?
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And yet people are so determined to enable this monstrous ideology, mostly so they can feel a desperately desired moral superiority.
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captkirk said:

Gender affirming care, global warming, Obamacare, Covid 19 response, etc. How many times does the left get to be completely wrong about everything?
Proper gender-affirming care exists, but they're affirming it in the wrong direction. If your brain believes that you are in the wrong body, then the brain needs to be treated. That is typically framed as "conversion therapy" ironically enough.
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It's sad all around, but not surprising.

Who would have thought we would reach a point in human development that it would be controversial to say eating too much makes you fat.

All these things are just symptomatic of the real problem. There is an ongoing effort to erase hard truths and it has been quite successful. We are at a point where you can get huge masses of people to believe anything and on top of that incorporate those things into their moral identity.

Not only can you brainwash people, you can make them parade around proudly about it.
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Burdizzo said:

MD1993 said:

You mean, letting mentally ill people chop up their bodies, believing in some magic transformation, like a butterfly will fix their world and make life perfect? Yeah, common sense already has the results.


Tattoos and Body Piercings are the gateway drugs to transgenderism

Waiting for a Matt Walsh rant on this lol
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"Gender Affirming Care" (surgical, chemical, hormonal) for minors is absolutely pure evil.

"Gender Affirming Care" for adults is just slightly less pure evil.
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American Hardwood said:

And the American left is all in for promoting this. The real question is why they do this. Is it that they support any deviancy to protect and normalize their own particular flavor? Is it virtue signaling to feel good about their otherwise miserable lives? Is it a reactionary reflex brought on by hatred of conservative values? Demonic possession? Or maybe it's all of the above.

To feel better about their own guilt...reason why you have so many that promote abortion who previously had one themselves. If society starts to agree that ___ is wrong, well, that rotten feeling you already have suddenly feels much worse.
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