Police use AI to arrest wrong person

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torrid said:

aggiehawg said:

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B-1 83 said:

What the hell kind of attorney did she have for her to be detained for 6 months and apparently lots of evidence that she could not possibly be the correct suspect?


The extradition process took that long. There is no, "I didn't do it," in that process. It's purely, "Are you the person Fargo PD wants?" It's basically no questions asked, go figure it out there.

She didn't have an attorney for the extradition process? Brian Kohlberger did. (Who unfortunately for BK was a hot dog who loved seeing himself on TV and did a lot of interviews that he should never have done.)



She didn't look to be a person of means, so she only had public defenders. I'm sure she got a crappy one in TN who was only interested in expediting the extradition. Looks like she eventually got a good one in Fargo.
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ErnestEndeavor said:

The police do stupid things to arrest innocent people. That's not new. Now they have a technology that many have been led to believe as infallible helping them do it even more. That's the issue. The blind trust in these AI systems is becoming pervasive throughout society.

And at least most of the time when police identify someone in a lineup they might at least be someone who lives in the area and they might actually talk to some people about their whereabouts at a certain time, or pull records from cell phone carriers to confirm, etc.

This time? Nope. AI is infallible. That is the culture we need to avoid.


No one believes AI infallible. You must be an old if that's your take.

Everyone is adopting bc they've seen how insane its progression has been and anyone who has used it one time in a meaningful way for them has an "ah ha" moment.

I wish it wasn't here. But its come to the point similar to the olds in the early 00s that didn't want to adopt email. Look where that went.

Roast away but comeback to this post in 5 years.
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ErnestEndeavor said:

This is why I get so pissed off when people hype AI as some sort of magical technology. It isn't. So many people have been conned to believe that it's infallible.

Now you have police blindly trusting it. A Tennessee grandmother was arrested last year for an alleged bank fraud in Fargo, North Dakota. She's never been to North Dakota. She's never even been on an airplane.

The police sent a blurry image to a facial recognition database that supposedly matched with her, and instead of actually doing a damn investigation the freaking idiot detectives got a warrant to arrest her. All because they just blindly trusted an AI facial recognition match.

She was held in detention for months fighting extradition before investigators were finally convinced it was the wrong person. While she was in custody she lost everything including her home.

This is an interview with her attorney:


She's about to file a civil rights lawsuit, which will be difficult due to sovereign immunity. This same YouTube channel covered a different case a few weeks ago about a guy in a casino who was arrested for no reason because the AI told the police to do so. I don't know what future AI regulation needs to look like when it comes to police, but we can't just be doing crap like this.


Not surprised
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aggiehawg said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

B-1 83 said:

What the hell kind of attorney did she have for her to be detained for 6 months and apparently lots of evidence that she could not possibly be the correct suspect?


The extradition process took that long. There is no, "I didn't do it," in that process. It's purely, "Are you the person Fargo PD wants?" It's basically no questions asked, go figure it out there.

She didn't have an attorney for the extradition process? Brian Kohlberger did. (Who unfortunately for BK was a hot dog who loved seeing himself on TV and did a lot of interviews that he should never have done.)


She did.
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https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/ai-fails/18318/
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In fairness, I think this is facial recognition technology that has been around for some time that is now being called "AI". It's OK for finding a lead, but police are failing to do basic due diligence to establish any tangible connection to the case regardless of what you call the technology.
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Image recognition is a form of what people are now calling AI.

Mulching complex data down to a Boolean comparable value.
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WestHoustonAg79 said:

ErnestEndeavor said:

The police do stupid things to arrest innocent people. That's not new. Now they have a technology that many have been led to believe as infallible helping them do it even more. That's the issue. The blind trust in these AI systems is becoming pervasive throughout society.

And at least most of the time when police identify someone in a lineup they might at least be someone who lives in the area and they might actually talk to some people about their whereabouts at a certain time, or pull records from cell phone carriers to confirm, etc.

This time? Nope. AI is infallible. That is the culture we need to avoid.


No one believes AI infallible. You must be an old if that's your take.

Everyone is adopting bc they've seen how insane its progression has been and anyone who has used it one time in a meaningful way for them has an "ah ha" moment.

I wish it wasn't here. But its come to the point similar to the olds in the early 00s that didn't want to adopt email. Look where that went.

Roast away but comeback to this post in 5 years.



You need to watch the bodycam footage from the guy arrested in Reno. Cop immediately convinced himself the guy he arrested must be getting fake ID's made for him by someone at the DMV because that was the only explanation he could come up with for the guy's ID being legit and his finger prints matching it while the AI said he was someone else.
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TexasRebel said:

https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/ai-fails/18318/


That article is from 2017. Might as well be from 1900.
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AI Facial recognition software is suspect as well. This guy spent a number of days in jail for Criminal Trespass because a casino's facial recognition software said he had been previously banned. He just happened to look like the banned guy and was arrested despite having an ID and a players card at the casino in his name and he was at least 6 inches taller than the man. Cop and security guard agreed the height difference wasn't an issue if the man took his shoes off and completely disregarded common sense.

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This. Especially when you consider how many people there are in this country, and the odds of someone looking alike. We had a gent here in Gainesville that was a dead ringer for Bill Clinton. Yes, she looks somewhat like the criminal, but any kind of competent law enforcement should do more investigation than mere hearsay
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harge57 said:

ErnestEndeavor said:

The police do stupid things to arrest innocent people. That's not new. Now they have a technology that many have been led to believe as infallible helping them do it even more. That's the issue. The blind trust in these AI systems is becoming pervasive throughout society.

And at least most of the time when police identify someone in a lineup they might at least be someone who lives in the area and they might actually talk to some people about their whereabouts at a certain time, or pull records from cell phone carriers to confirm, etc.

This time? Nope. AI is infallible. That is the culture we need to avoid.

So quit blaming the AI for not being infallible and blame the cops for being lazy.


Can't both be true at the same time? Why are we arguing about this.
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AI doesn't go out and arrest people
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ABATTBQ11 said:

AI doesn't go out and arrest people

Yet....
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AI cop, please meet my friend. Devon Nullenberger.

AKA: /dev/null
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hee hee hee hee hee

And this is going to take over everyone's jobs?

ho ho ho ho

AI is a mathematical equation. Like z = 3x + 5y. Just a very very very complex one. It isn't magic.
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jagsdad said:

This. Especially when you consider how many people there are in this country, and the odds of someone looking alike. We had a gent here in Gainesville that was a dead ringer for Bill Clinton. Yes, she looks somewhat like the criminal, but any kind of competent law enforcement should do more investigation than mere hearsay

Gainesville. Texas or Florida?
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infinity ag said:

hee hee hee hee hee

And this is going to take over everyone's jobs?

ho ho ho ho

AI is a mathematical equation. Like z = 3x + 5y. Just a very very very complex one. It isn't magic.



It's definitely an improvement over a traditional internet search, and at the high end with enough power it can do some really cool things....but I agree, it isn't magic. Just a sophisticated model that generates an output.

Hopefully people aren't stupid enough to start believing it has consciousness or sentient qualities.........
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Reminds me of the movie Mercy which I just watched (on Amazon). Lazy police? Woke judge? Just cut them out of the process and let AI be judge, jury, and executioner! What can go wrong?
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jagsdad said:

Texas

Cool……I play poker every Wednesday night in Whitesboro. Good group of guys if you're a low stakes poker player.
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Pizza said:

infinity ag said:

hee hee hee hee hee

And this is going to take over everyone's jobs?

ho ho ho ho

AI is a mathematical equation. Like z = 3x + 5y. Just a very very very complex one. It isn't magic.



It's definitely an improvement over a traditional internet search, and at the high end with enough power it can do some really cool things....but I agree, it isn't magic. Just a sophisticated model that generates an output.

Hopefully people aren't stupid enough to start believing it has consciousness or sentient qualities.........


That it is. Absolutely. And I use it every day. Like yesterday I used it as a guide to help me fill up an attorney intake form for trust creation. It was great. It also helps me with some code to do some personal projects.

But it is not magic and will not take over the world. You will see clueless Boomers have FOMO and not want to look uninformed so they pop into threads and say things like "my company has adopted AI and we see immense gains... production is up and costs are down!". These people are usually non-technical sales&marketing types who are mostly full of bluster and don't want to be seen as being left behind or OMG "old". So they read a few LinkedIn posts (now full of scammy Indian AI influencers selling you courses), and memorize a few catch words/phrases like "hallucination" or "vibe coding" or "agentic AI" to impress their buddies.

What will happen is some corps like Meta and now Oracle, also with corporate FOMO wanting to "win the AI race" and will layoff 10s or 20s or thousands to free up money for datacenters. Oracle did it today. Companies are not yet using AI in any meaningful way to cut costs drastically at scale that needs so many layoffs. 99% of the AI layoffs are because they want to cut projects and build AI infra.

Oracle lays off employees as it curbs costs during AI buildout
https://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-layoffs-employees-costs-ai-buildout-job-cuts-2026-3
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infinity ag said:

hee hee hee hee hee

And this is going to take over everyone's jobs?

ho ho ho ho

AI is a mathematical equation. Like z = 3x + 5y. Just a very very very complex one. It isn't magic.

In a way. People are going to rely on AI to stop doing their job properly. This is a real-world case example of how AI will affect the workplace.

Rather than using AI as just a tool as intended, they will simply assume the answer spit out by AI is the only answer and the right answer. It was easier for the Fargo cops to issue an arrest warrant for this innocent lady than to do some very basic detective work and see if she had any real connection.

The net result is AI will make people lazy.
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infinity ag said:

Pizza said:

infinity ag said:

hee hee hee hee hee

And this is going to take over everyone's jobs?

ho ho ho ho

AI is a mathematical equation. Like z = 3x + 5y. Just a very very very complex one. It isn't magic.



It's definitely an improvement over a traditional internet search, and at the high end with enough power it can do some really cool things....but I agree, it isn't magic. Just a sophisticated model that generates an output.

Hopefully people aren't stupid enough to start believing it has consciousness or sentient qualities.........



But it is not magic and will not take over the world. You will see clueless Boomers have FOMO and not want to look uninformed so they pop into threads and say things like "my company has adopted AI and we see immense gains... production is up and costs are down!". These people are usually non-technical sales&marketing types who are mostly full of bluster and don't want to be seen as being left behind or OMG "old". So they read a few LinkedIn posts (now full of scammy Indian AI influencers selling you courses), and memorize a few catch words/phrases like "hallucination" or "vibe coding" or "agentic AI" to impress their buddies.



Speaking of that, you never did respond to Sims in the following thread who responded directly to you and posted his own experience using AI to dramatically improve his processes:

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3600406/replies/72077864


let me post what Sims said for the benefit of everyone else in this thread:

" For one thing, rather than have our estimators looks at 300+ pages of ISO drawings, we were able to use Claude Cowork to create a self contained app with a "vision" API that parses each page to extract a BOM, identifies weld points and labels parts in the ISOs to create heat logs and extract inches of weld. It also outputs a by iso page detail of the parts and a document level summary aggregating all of the parts on all isos into a single sheet grouped by part type so that we can get those items out to bid with vendors in about 2 hours once the ISO package is received. This would have taken us about a week and a half before. There's a very real, very beneficial example of slashing overhead costs by about 90%.

Operationally, our robotic plasma machines didn't have issues cutting cylinders that were of decently small diameter...say 4 - 6 feet. As the diameters increased, the robots had orders of magnitude more errors in precision cut locations. We've tried for years to correct the issues in the software but were unable. Essentially, the larger the diameter cylinder, the less it stays as a true circle in its cross section and the more it squishes into an oval shape from it's own weight. The programs were designed to reference from a centerline around a circle, not an oval and that was something the techs hadn't been able to correct. Now the we fed that code through AI and it has corrected the programming for observable deformation in the cross section shape. We've eliminated errors on large cylinders up to 14'. There's a very real, very beneficial example of AI enabled process automation that is saving us lots of money both in process time initially and rework time to correct errors."
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Why would you need AI to do what VBA can do?
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TexasRebel said:

Why would you need AI to do what VBA can do?



Holy ***** VBA cannot do image analysis, genius! Stop with the ignorance already.
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Why are you using paper copies of digital documents?

And yes, VBA and OCR do play well together. …as well as OCR can, anyhow.
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TexasRebel said:

Why are you using paper copies of digital documents?



I'm not using anything. Sims is.

Paper copies?! They are ISO digital drawings. Do you know what a digital image is? TIFF or PDF most likely.
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TexasRebel said:

Why are you using paper copies of digital documents?

And yes, VBA and OCR do play well together. …as well as OCR can, anyhow.


No, using VBA and some sort of OCR hack would be a weapons grade stupid solution!

AI and Cowork is the correct solution here.
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If they're already digital, why are you using images?
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TexasRebel said:

If they're already digital, why are you using images?


Please stay in your lane, which is obviously not tech and not AI.

Recommending idiotic tech solutions - VBA, LOL - for image processing and then questioning why digital drawings exist! LOL
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TexasRebel said:

If they're already digital, why are you using images?


Because that's how construction/engineering plans are made
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Logos Stick said:

TexasRebel said:

If they're already digital, why are you using images?


Please stay in your lane, which is obviously not tech and not AI.

Recommending idiotic tech solutions - VBA, LOL - for image processing and then questioning why digital drawings exist! LOL


The irony is palpable.
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