Dershowitz is another so called democrat who dislikes most things his party does, and often supports republicans, but will never vote republican. He's a hypocrite.

Im Gipper said:

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Saying " The actual history" then posting a video from Clown Dave Smith is

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Yep, dont address any of the historical claims being made in the video. Just insult the messenger and post a gif.

You cant refute Israel urged the US to regime change in Iraq. And with this video, you cant attack the messenger, bc its your boy Bibi that you frequently source yourself:

I believe Israel was whole heartedly wanting us to go into Iraq and provided info to us to help that goal.

YET STILL. Clown Dave Smith is a joke and your putting him up as some expert on anything is HILARIOUS.

Your obsession is unhealthy.

bobbranco said:

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Pure delusion from you continues.

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Would it be possible for you to actually quote anything I have said in this thread, and make an argument for why its "delusional"?

I know thats a lot to ask for you.

Rapier108 said:

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ts5641 said:

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Joe Kent's departure was planned. He immediately went on Tucker, Megyn, and spoke with Candace. He's a puppet of the left.

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This minimizes the threat of the Groyper-right...

We have to acknowledge how crazy they are, shame them, and sideline their views to the trash dump of history.

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WTF is a "Groyper?"

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Nick Fuentes followers. Used to be the "alt-right."

They are literally every caricature of what the left says the political right is, especially when it comes to racism, antisemitism, with elements of fascism and neo-Nazism sprinkled in.

Their #1 enemy for sometime has been Charlie Kirk and TPUSA. They even tried to take it over after Kirk was killed. This is why you see people like Fuentes and especially Owens going after TPUSA.

They believe they will be the "army" which will take over the US and impose their fascist regime on the country and then purge out anyone who isn't white.

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Gotcha. I've never seen anything from this Nick Fuentes other than being mentioned here

Im Gipper said:

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Saying " The actual history" then posting a video from Clown Dave Smith

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Im Gipper said:

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I believe Israel was whole heartedly wanting us to go into Iraq and provided info to us to help that goal.

YET STILL. Clown Dave Smith is a joke

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So you agree with the "actual history" presented by the "clown" Dave Smith.

Glad you can acknowledge the gaslighting is coming from Sharpiro and AD about Israel "being against the war in Iraq".

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Joe Kent and Tucker Carlson and others are trying to hijack the right. There is no doubt about that. They don't have conservatives' or America's interests at heart.

Tucker has never been an actual conservative. Nor has Bernie Bro Kent. They are both phonies. It's sad that some people have allowed themselves to be so misled.

I guess I can understand why you're so sensitive about it. Dershowitz is right.

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What about this is good for American interest? 4 dollar gas or turning our middle east friends against us? How about Trump telling Israel not to bomb the natural gas fields and they do it anyway. How is that good for America? If we want to defend Israel great just say that but to act like it somehow helps our interest is incorrect. The nerve or the level of protection someone like Dershowitz has to comment on this situation knowing they were everywhere in the Epstien files just shows you nobody will ever pay for that blackmail scheme.

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Can you provide an accounting of which middle east "friends" are with us and against in this effort to eliminate the Iranian threat? 'Cause I really can tell. But you seem to be an expret

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Any of them that have been attack. Qatar why didn't the US defend your infrastructure instead they are defending Israel. True or not that will be line. Would that make the feel better or worse about alignment with us? We are either this great power that can defend them but won't or we aren't strong enough to defend them and that shows weakness. Neither are true but it will be the argument made going forward. I don't see how that benefits America.

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That is vague accounting.

Does this include "friends" that have suffered from hits from Iranian rockets while still letting us stage in their country or fly over its airspace?

In case you were not paying attention to the last 50 years, there are several golf states that depend on the Strait of Hormuz for commerce, A LOT of commerce, and Iran has essentially held them and their trading partners in a bind by being such a-holes to the entire region. I think most of them will be glad to see a kinder, gentler, Iranian regime even if they have to suffer a few rocket hits

If someone said "here is a video from Ronald McDonald outlining why the military strike in Iran are good" I would give it as much time as I will give your Clown Dave Smith video.

And given your history of not exactly being forthright, its a high likelihood it doesn't even say what you claim. This is not a personal attack and do not take offense. I just want you to understand why your attempts to spread false information are not working here.

Im Gipper said:

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And given your history of not exactly being forthright, its a high likelihood it doesn't even say what you claim.

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Nice baseless personal jab. You already conceded that you agree Israel influenced the US in the Iraq regime change war, and that Shapiro and AD are wrong about "Israel being against the Iraq war".

Im Gipper said:

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I just want you to understand why your attempts to spread false information are not working here.

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Agian, like the poster claiming my posts are "delusional" you also cant quote any of my own actual words that "spread false information".

That's kinda the point of this thread. All these insults and personal attacks about jew hating and hijacking the right with misinfo. Its all baseless nonsense.

Its why people take Nick Fuentes and project his rhetoric on the mainstream viewpoint of Tucker/Kent/Kelly that regime change in Iran is Israel's battle, not ours.

This is an 80/20 issue within MAGA if you believe polls. The 20% is just extremely loud and wants its position to be the mainstream one. Not saying there is no argument, but the vast vast majority of conservatives simply disagree.

You continue to act like Kent, a Bernie Bro, is a reliable source for anything. You've been misled.

John Fisher Pessimist said:

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This is an 80/20 issue within MAGA if you believe polls. The 20% is just extremely loud and wants its position to be the mainstream one. Not saying there is no argument, but the vast vast majority of conservatives simply disagree.

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Can you clarify what position you are referring to being 20% and 80%?

FobTies said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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You posted an Op out of guilt. You've been bleeding all over the board with post after post.

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The ridiculous claims by AD in the OP wont age well. Neither will all the knee jerk responses here claiming "the anti-war, jew hating right, are trying to hijack the party".

Myself, and many others here, have consistently claimed the best thing for Trump to do is end the war with air strikes and claim victory for stopping nukes in a larger scale Midnight Hammer 2.0. I repeatedly said that if anyone can reject the DC/AIPAC/MIC pressures to go down the path of regime change, its Trump.

Joe Kent also very clearly urged Trump to end the war and avoid putting Israel's interests to regime change, before the interests of America. Tucker and Meg Kelly basically saying the same thing, also urging for a swift end to the war.

Within hours of this OP, Trump is now posting about a possible swift end to the war. Thats great to see. I hope he can pull it off.

No doubt all those here pushing for Trump to "finally finish the job with a regime change", will just revert back to "Trump saved us from nukes without regime change".

In fact, the common theme on F16 will be that MAGA was never gunning for regime change, and that all they really wanted was larger scale air strikes, for Israel to then take it from there on their own.

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Just want to point out that regime change was never a stated goal of this mission. That's a nice to have that everyone watching hopes for.

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you also cant quote any of my own actual words that "spread false information".

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Its been done many times by many posters. You refuse to see reality. You just keep pushing the same "Israel made Trump do it! Squwack! Israel made Trump do it! Squwack!"

Ellis Wyatt said:

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You continue to act like Kent, a Bernie Bro, is a reliable source for anything. You've been misled.

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My clear point in this thread is that Dershowitz is claiming Israel was against the Iraq war, and that Joe Kent is a "facist neo nazi" who is wrongfully "blaming the Jews" for influencing the US in the Iraq war.

The attacks on me and focus on Nick Fuentes was predictable. But I am genuinely surprised how many here are rallying behind AD on this one.

Like I said, this wont age well. We are on the cusp of Trump rejecting the regime change Israel, and many on F16, have been pushing for.

FobTies said:

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John Fisher Pessimist said:

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This is an 80/20 issue within MAGA if you believe polls. The 20% is just extremely loud and wants its position to be the mainstream one. Not saying there is no argument, but the vast vast majority of conservatives simply disagree.

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Can you clarify what position you are referring to being 20% and 80%?

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Sure thing. 20% may have been being generous.

John Fisher Pessimist said:

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This is an 80/20 issue within MAGA if you believe polls. The 20% is just extremely loud and wants its position to be the mainstream one. Not saying there is no argument, but the vast vast majority of conservatives simply disagree.

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It's probably closer to 99.5/0.5 issue.

The delusional 1/2% are rabidly bringing down the other 19.5% by the gaslighting the fools.

That can't be right. It isn't what Tucker Carlson says.

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bobbranco said:

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Pure delusion from you continues.

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Would it be possible for you to actually quote anything I have said in this thread, and make an argument for why its "delusional"?

I know thats a lot to ask for you.

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I can't explain how anybody enjoys being gaslit.

Any concept that the actions then so far in Iran are upsetting Trump supporters is just asinine.

The left has crafted a strategy to promote, fund and support discarded right wing turned whacko then amplify as if MAGA is falling apart.

bobbranco said:

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Your obsession is unhealthy.

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He has to be getting paid by the post. And even with all that effort, he's not convincing anybody.

Except Kent was never even right wing.

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bobbranco said:

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Your obsession is unhealthy.

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He has to be getting paid by the post. And even with all that effort, he's not convincing anybody.

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Probably not.

Some are true believers and take the cause to heart.

It's delusional and unhealthy.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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You continue to act like Kent, a Bernie Bro, is a reliable source for anything. You've been misled.

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How did this moron get this job in the first place?

To be honest, I never knew who he was and really still do not know. That should say plenty of how relevant he is to the average Joe.

He's given air simply because he "turned" on Trump.

MSM and their followers are world class dumb.

Charpie said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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You continue to act like Kent, a Bernie Bro, is a reliable source for anything. You've been misled.

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How did this moron get this job in the first place?

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Ran, and lost several time as "MAGA" and then kissed Trump's ass.

The Sun said:

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Just want to point out that regime change was never a stated goal of this mission.

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Yep, you are right. It was only a stated goal by Israel.

So you can understand why there would be concern about Israel's mission, possibly influencing the US mission. Especially with many Americans on F16, and elswhere, rallying behind Israel's regime change goal, as if that should be part of the US "finishing the job."

The issue here is that it shouldn't take Trump rejecting regime change for the "antisemitic" insults to stop. They never should have been lobbed at those of us that argued against Trump following Israel's mission to regime change.

Its kinda gone like this:
1) "No foreign regime change wars"
2) "This isnt a war"
3) "Its not a regime change war"
4) "Now is the opportunity to finally change regime "
5) "Regime change was just a nice to have" HERE NOW
6) "Trump saved us from nukes without regime change"
7) "No one ever wanted regime change, just Israel"

Charpie said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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You continue to act like Kent, a Bernie Bro, is a reliable source for anything. You've been misled.

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How did this moron get this job in the first place?

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Trump covered in the press gaggle. Believe his wife was killed (Trump never misses an opportunity to also comment on how quickly the dude remarried - completely irrelevant and classless dig, but thats Trump). Said 2 time filed candidate for Congress needed a job and someone begged Trump to toss a bone.

FobTies said:

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The Sun said:

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Just want to point out that regime change was never a stated goal of this mission.

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Yep, you are right. It was only a stated goal by Israel.

So you can understand why there would be concern about Israel's mission, possibly influencing the US mission. Especially with many Americans on F16, and elswhere, rallying behind Israel's regime change goal, as if that should he part of the US "finishing the job."

The issue here is that it shouldn't take Trump rejecting regime change for the "antisemitic" insults to stop. They never should have been lobbed at those of us that argued against Trump following Israel's mission to regime change.

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Regime change was the goal in both VZ and Iran. That's not a bad thing but people think it is because of previous weak arse efforts by flacid POTUS's.

There is no point in launching either action if the end result is not a US-friendly, much less corrupt counterpart.

Under no circumstance was the current regime structure in Iran going to be allowed to survive.

Silent For Too Long said:

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There is legitimate antisemitism on both the right and left right now, and its terrible.

Stop trying to gaslight people that its not happening.

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Meh...we need to quit acting like they are the only group who is ever victimized. FAR from the case.

NGL, this has been pretty funny to watch…

https://instagr.am/p/DVsAB31DttV

Protestant white men were literally the only group with zero voice representing them. Then MAGA. And the doors were welcome to all to have their voices heard regardless of race, color or creed.

flown-the-coop said:

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There is no point in launching either action if the end result is not a US-friendly, much less corrupt counterpart.

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Again, I appreciate your honesty. Most will be backing off their push that regime change was the only way to stop Iran for good, and that we must do it.

Are you going to criticize Trump for launching Epic Fury without doing a regime change? I don't mean call him a "jew hater" or anything like that. But maybe voice your disappoint in him, like you did with the Bushes for being "too chicken shty" to finish the job?

FobTies said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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There is no point in launching either action if the end result is not a US-friendly, much less corrupt counterpart.

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Again, I appreciate your honesty. Most will be backing off their push that regime change was the only way to stop Iran for good, and that we must do it.

Are you going to criticize Trump for launching Epic Fury without doing a regime change? I don't mean call him a "jew hater" or anything like that. But maybe voice your disappoint in him, like you did with the Bushes for being "too chicken shty" to finish the job?

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What the heck are you talking about? Why would I be disappointed with the actions thus far?

And Trump is anything but too chicken **** to finish. VZ is not over. Transitions are occurring and being planned. But Rubio is not going to give you are me daily updates on how it's going.

You can completely break a country then send in occupying troops. Or you can push a country to the brink then send in folks to build things that are friendly to Western ideology (really thats dated, North American ideology - which excludes Mexico and Canada.