U.S. Catholic Bishops step in it again (Immigration)

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StandUpforAmerica
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8:28p, 2/26/26
It will probably cost me some days in purgatory, but I really dislike our Catholic bishops (as a group) in this country (assuming this story is true). If ever a group should learn to stay in their lane, this is one of them. I'll never leave the church due to their political failings, but I can see where some people would struggle with this type of behavior.

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8:32p, 2/26/26
Religion shouldn't play a role in politics so I don't care what these losers think
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8:37p, 2/26/26
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Birthright citizenship for a baby born to even one parent here legally is a no-brainer.

Rejecting birthright citizenship to the offspring of parents who both came in illegally is also a no-brainer. It doesn't mean they're not human. It just means they're not an American citizen.
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8:38p, 2/26/26
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
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8:42p, 2/26/26
I would think it is possible to disagree with the political stance of the church


I don't think it's a religious question
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In reply to MemphisAg1 • 8:45p, 2/26/26
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MemphisAg1 said:
Birthright citizenship for a baby born to even one parent here legally is a no-brainer.

Rejecting birthright citizenship to the offspring of parents who both came in illegally is also a no-brainer. It doesn't mean they're not human. It just means they're not an American citizen.

Nah.

At least one parent that is a legal US Citizen.

At some point we need to make citizenship valuable again.
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In reply to Urban Ag • 8:45p, 2/26/26
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Urban Ag said:
MemphisAg1 said:
Birthright citizenship for a baby born to even one parent here legally is a no-brainer.

Rejecting birthright citizenship to the offspring of parents who both came in illegally is also a no-brainer. It doesn't mean they're not human. It just means they're not an American citizen.

Nah.

At least one parent that is a legal US Citizen.

At some point we need to make citizenship valuable again.

That's what I said.
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9:05p, 2/26/26
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Someone famous once said, "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's". These Bishops should look into it.
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In reply to MemphisAg1 • 9:14p, 2/26/26
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MemphisAg1 said:
Urban Ag said:
MemphisAg1 said:
Birthright citizenship for a baby born to even one parent here legally is a no-brainer.

Rejecting birthright citizenship to the offspring of parents who both came in illegally is also a no-brainer. It doesn't mean they're not human. It just means they're not an American citizen.

Nah.

At least one parent that is a legal US Citizen.

At some point we need to make citizenship valuable again.

That's what I said.


That's not what you said. There's a difference between being here legally and being a citizen.
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9:16p, 2/26/26
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Sounds like the Catholics are going bsc like the Episcopalians.
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In reply to TxLawDawg • 9:20p, 2/26/26
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TxLawDawg said:
MemphisAg1 said:
Urban Ag said:
MemphisAg1 said:
Birthright citizenship for a baby born to even one parent here legally is a no-brainer.

Rejecting birthright citizenship to the offspring of parents who both came in illegally is also a no-brainer. It doesn't mean they're not human. It just means they're not an American citizen.

Nah.

At least one parent that is a legal US Citizen.

At some point we need to make citizenship valuable again.

That's what I said.


That's not what you said. There's a difference between being here legally and being a citizen.

If you're here legally and drop a child, they're a US citizen. The argument has been that people here illegally shouldn't get birthright privileges for their offspring, which I agree with. But I don't agree with moving the goalposts to require one of the legal parents to also be a citizen. That has not been the conversation.

Edit to add that Trump's EO is in between those two positions. He would require the parents to be a US citizen or a legal permanent resident, but he excludes those here legally on a visa.
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In reply to boulderaggie • 9:20p, 2/26/26
boulderaggie said:
Someone famous once said, "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's". These Bishops should look into it.




Agree

Someone they profess to follow
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In reply to DonHenley • 9:22p, 2/26/26
DonHenley said:
Religion shouldn't play a role in politics so I don't care what these losers think


Amen. Not the church's business
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In reply to MemphisAg1 • 9:44p, 2/26/26
MemphisAg1 said:
TxLawDawg said:
MemphisAg1 said:
Urban Ag said:
MemphisAg1 said:
Birthright citizenship for a baby born to even one parent here legally is a no-brainer.

Rejecting birthright citizenship to the offspring of parents who both came in illegally is also a no-brainer. It doesn't mean they're not human. It just means they're not an American citizen.

Nah.

At least one parent that is a legal US Citizen.

At some point we need to make citizenship valuable again.

That's what I said.


That's not what you said. There's a difference between being here legally and being a citizen.

If you're here legally and drop a child, they're a US citizen. The argument has been that people here illegally shouldn't get birthright privileges for their offspring, which I agree with. But I don't agree with moving the goalposts to require one of the legal parents to also be a citizen. That has not been the conversation.

Edit to add that Trump's EO is in between those two positions. He would require the parents to be a US citizen or a legal permanent resident, but he excludes those here legally on a visa.


Many non citizens are here legally on tourist visas and have children that become US citizens. That's not what you meant to say. You equated legal presence with being a citizen. They are not the same; "legally". The rest of us know what you meant.
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9:47p, 2/26/26
The Catholic Church invented mass transit.


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In reply to boulderaggie • 9:54p, 2/26/26
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boulderaggie said:
Someone famous once said, "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's". These Bishops should look into it.

Such a banger.
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In reply to Principal Uncertainty • 9:54p, 2/26/26
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Principal Uncertainty said:
MemphisAg1 said:
TxLawDawg said:
MemphisAg1 said:
Urban Ag said:
MemphisAg1 said:
Birthright citizenship for a baby born to even one parent here legally is a no-brainer.

Rejecting birthright citizenship to the offspring of parents who both came in illegally is also a no-brainer. It doesn't mean they're not human. It just means they're not an American citizen.

Nah.

At least one parent that is a legal US Citizen.

At some point we need to make citizenship valuable again.

That's what I said.


That's not what you said. There's a difference between being here legally and being a citizen.

If you're here legally and drop a child, they're a US citizen. The argument has been that people here illegally shouldn't get birthright privileges for their offspring, which I agree with. But I don't agree with moving the goalposts to require one of the legal parents to also be a citizen. That has not been the conversation.

Edit to add that Trump's EO is in between those two positions. He would require the parents to be a US citizen or a legal permanent resident, but he excludes those here legally on a visa.


Many non citizens are here legally on tourist visas and have children that become US citizens. That's not what you meant to say. You equated legal presence with being a citizen. They are not the same; "legally". The rest of us know what you meant.

Trump's EO probably strikes the right balance. It doesn't restrict it narrowly to US citizens. It does allow those here legally on permanent work status, but it excludes short-term visitors on visas. A bit nuanced.
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9:56p, 2/26/26
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A beautiful and divine institution led mostly by morons.
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9:59p, 2/26/26
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So the US Catholic Bishops position is that it is an indignity to be a legal citizen of the country your parents are legal citizens of?

Isn't the Catholic Church present in these other countries?

This is an insane position. This has always been an insane position. There is nothing indignant or inhumane about being a citizen of the country your parents are a citizen of no matter where you are born.
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10:17p, 2/26/26
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I think your parents should be citizens, period, for you to be a citizen here. Don't care what "legally" here means. If you aren't a citizen, then neither is your kid.

But I'm an *******.
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YouBet said:
I think your parents should be citizens, period, for you to be a citizen here. Don't care what "legally" here means. If you aren't a citizen, then neither is your kid.

But I'm an *******.

I'm an ******* too and I couldn't give two ****s about it.

I'll be dead one way or the other in the next 30 years, if I even want to live that long, but my kids won't. And god willing some grandkids. So F it.

I couldn't care less about the legal status of the parents. At least one needs to be a legal American citizen. Otherwise, pound sand. Not American.

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12:06a, 2/27/26
Unless freedom of religion is on the table, "spiritual leaders" should stay out of politics.

Stay in your fluffy, faith based world and leave reality to the rest of us to fix.
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In reply to Sid Farkas • 12:44a, 2/27/26
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Sid Farkas said:
Sounds like the Catholics are going bsc like the Episcopalians.

"Social Justice" was working its way through the church up from Central America long before that term became buzzy in mainstream political conversation. We were getting it in Catholic school in the 90's if not earlier.
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In reply to DonHenley • 1:04a, 2/27/26
Religious people should absolutely be involved in politics. Churches should be involved in politics. The bishops are way wrong.
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In reply to Kashchei • 1:06a, 2/27/26
The Church isn't divine. It is led by sinners who are ostensibly following God. But they're still fallen men.
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1:09a, 2/27/26
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Why does "staying in the church" mean you have to stay with the Catholic brand? I honestly don't see how Catholics deal with a church whose leaders are as political as it gets.
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RCC American leadership really isn't any better, politically or morally, than the UMC or PCUSA imho.
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4:41a, 2/27/26
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Yep, the United Methodist leaders are right there with the Catholic Bishops.
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In reply to StandUpforAmerica • 5:52a, 2/27/26
The Pope is a leftist and the church is following suit. If you're a leftist and a Christian, leftism wins. If you're a leftist and anything else, leftism wins.
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Yep, the United Methodist leaders are right there with the Catholic Bishops.

I was raised Methodist and raised our children Methodist. We finally had to leave the church in 2012 when it went full woke for Sotero.
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6:11a, 2/27/26
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The US Bishops' boss lives in a literal walled city state protected by mercenaries armed with guns/spears, with a vault of untold wealth.

But Catholic Charities Arch-diocese of Houston-Galveston alone took over $82 million in government grants in 2024, about 80 percent of their revenue. So to fairly put it I consider it a political-business entity as much as a religious one. Joel Osteen-levels of hypocrisy.
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In reply to Owlagdad • 7:10a, 2/27/26
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Owlagdad said:
DonHenley said:
Religion shouldn't play a role in politics so I don't care what these losers think


Amen. Not the church's business

The problem with most church organizations these days is they can't manage to stay in the religious lane. God doesn't care about political policies.
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7:24a, 2/27/26
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Politics aside, God will be the judge at the end. And maybe that treating human beings with dignity will go a long way. Or maybe not......
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7:27a, 2/27/26
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Churches want to get involved with politics? OK, then end their tax exempt status
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ts5641 said:
Aggieland Proud said:
Yep, the United Methodist leaders are right there with the Catholic Bishops.

I was raised Methodist and raised our children Methodist. We finally had to leave the church in 2012 when it went full woke for Sotero.


My family also had to leave the Methodist church after the 2020 election when the backup pastor started talking about how great it was the traitor Joe and cackles won.

We actually had a really good pastor at our previous UMC church in Houston before we moved in 2017, he didn't talk politics but we're pretty sure he was conservative. There was a story a couple of years after we moved that his house was broken into in the middle of the night and both he and his wife lit up and killed the bad guy.

Pastor and wife save their lives
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