Wait until everyone finds out what Israel is up to in this country. Hoo boy

Why didn't it work when Obama gave them billions of dollars and asked them politely to be good?

Such as?

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Why are we supposed to be attacking Iran?

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Because they have been a pain in the world's ass since 1979.

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So let me ask you this. What would your plan be at this point? It sounds like it would be pull out of the Region altogether and just hope for the best.

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I'm totally cool with that but my departing message to the region would be if you f* with us to any degree whatsoever we will glass you without hesitation. I realize that isn't realistic, but that would be what I would do.

But I also realize Trump's unique moment he has right now to make a massive geopolitical change with a hugely positive cost/benefit ratio.

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So let me ask you this. What would your plan be at this point? It sounds like it would be pull out of the Region altogether and just hope for the best.

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I'm totally cool with that but my departing message to the region would be if you f* with us to any degree whatsoever we will glass you without hesitation. I realize that isn't realistic, but that would be what I would do.

But I also realize Trump's unique moment he has right now to make a massive geopolitical change with a hugely positive cost/benefit ratio.

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I like that position very much.

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This is the best opportunity to see the collapse of the Islamist government there since they took over in 1979. That would bring an end to their reign of terror throughout the region by ending their funding of proxy terrorists. I think it's just too good of an opportunity to pass up.

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THIS time regime change in the Middle East will work, we promise!

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I think the major difference here is the majority of Persians want this.

This isn't some USAID/CIA color revolution.

I know its a quagmire and there is tremendous risk with any level of engagement, but surely something we can all agree on is the current regime sucks, right?

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Bro I know I am younger than you and I know you remember the Iraq war. We are STILL IN IRAQ

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But we are not still in Venezuela...

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Do I need to explain military size, military capability, landmass, and proximity to a body of water to you?

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I don't know, do I need to explain that there are a myriad of options between full on Iraq like invasion and doing absolutely nothing to you?

Or do you just love false dichotomies?

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They won't stop pursuing Nukes. We slowed them down, but they continue. They can't be trusted. They have less support now than ever, so the opportunity to resolve one of the worlds most perilous situations is better than ever. Negotiations with them of late are not going well - and they can't be trusted anyway - the carriers have moved in place - all the hardware has been positioned -

it be time. No Nukes in Iran.

[I fully expect democrats to become strong supporters of the Ayatollah. At the least, every military action taken will be the wrong one and Trump will be a blood thirsty fascist dictator picking on a relatively harmless regime]

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But I also realize Trump's unique moment he has right now to make a massive geopolitical change with a hugely positive cost/benefit ratio

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Agree with this part of it.

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No different really tha Zelensky keeping his war going to stay in power.

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Yet another clueless accusation blaming the leader of an invaded country for continuing a war. Gold.

Ukraine derangement syndrome should really be studied.

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They refuse to implement DEI Policies

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When did the Dems get in control of foreign policy????

Remember this BS??? More lies

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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Why are we supposed to be attacking Iran?

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They won't stop pursuing Nukes. We slowed them down, but they continue. They can't be trusted. They have less support now than ever, so the opportunity to resolve one of the worlds most perilous situations is better than ever. Negotiations with them of late are not going well - and they can't be trusted anyway - the carriers have moved in place - all the hardware has been positioned -

it be time. No Nukes in Iran.

[I fully expect democrats to become strong supporters of the Ayatollah. At the least, every military action taken will be the wrong one and Trump will be a blood thirsty fascist dictator picking on a relatively harmless regime]

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This is such a good post.

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, desire to assassinate Trump, sending trained terrorists through Biden's "border", their nuclear program (heard of the 13th Imam?) , BRICS, their attacks on international shipping, their alignment with Russia, their shadow fleet, their promotion of regional instability as it affects energy production...

but mostly because Obama and Biden hate it.

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Hamas receives major money from Qatar. Trump and Qatar are buddy-buddy. Trump's company has several business deals in the works with Qatar. I don't think Trump will have to worry about Hamas bothering him.

Um they're killing their own citizens by the thousand despite Trump warning them not to.

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They fund, train and otherwise enable Hezbollah, Hamas and other Islamic terror organizations.

They work with China, NK and Russia to undermine us at every turn. They actively seek nukes to protect them while they do their shenanigans.

And yes, they are a major threat to our closest and most important ally

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This is the answer. It's a once in a generation opportunity to rebalance the Middle East and Trump is right to push hard for it.

The Arab countries have become much more interested in making money and keeping it. Iran is a huge impediment to that with their constant poking of Israel directly or via their terrorist funding and support.

It's the absolute right move, and all Americans should be hoping, praying and supporting its success.

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All of the Arab countries are asking us to NOT do another regime change war. Only Israel wants this war.

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Publicly, what they are saying privately could be quite different, exception being Qatar.

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Minor comparison to the long term effects of ending the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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this is insane. The UK will be predominantly muslim, and the most radical kind of muslim, country in like 20 years. They have nukes. All of this migration has happened since 9/11.

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The UK is predominantly Muslim based on them being 6% of their population? Pretty weird math.

And you poorly understand Islam, radical Islam, and the history of the region and the conflicts that have persisted there.

So in 25 years, the Muslims in the UK have doubled from 3% to 6% and now stand at the cusp of controlling the Brits nuclear arsenal. And as such, we should stay out of Iran.

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If I poorly understand why are you the one saying ******ed things? You cant read. You cant understand.

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You said the UK will be "predominantly Muslim" and then add in that they have nukes.

You want to tell me what I missed?

Pretty sure I can read and understand things. Pretty sure you just don't like your fear mongering challenged.

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I said in the future, not today. Im fear mongering but you want us to attack other countries out of, what, peace and love? Im fear mongering people out of war? Do you know how stupid you sound?

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It took 25 years to go from 3% to 6%. By that rough math it would take 75 years for Muslims to become predominant. Yes you say I sound stupid?

Fear mongering is in regards to the concept of this is not in our interests, will have unintended consequences, will costs hundreds of thousands of young American lives and will not achieve a thing.

I do not believe that to be correct and there is plenty to indicate it will not. It's barely, poorly comparable to the GWOT.

And we are not doing this at the behest of Israel. And preemptively eliminating growing threats to ourselves and allies feels like peace and love to me.

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Now look at the average ages and whose having kids. Critical thinking of a toddler.

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It is you that lack critical thinking and bloviates after being presented with facts regarding % of the population.

I think there are people here who get up, log onto Texags and think "Why is no one complaining about Israel today??? THERE ARE JEWS OUT THERE, DON'T THEY KNOW!?"

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Remember this BS??? More lies

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Iran has openly said they will not end the pursuit of nuclear capability, meaning nuclear weapons. So while the site was obliterated the problem remains.
The mulahs openly call for the execution of any nonbelievers, they mean it and they are a death cult. I remember the thousands of innocent people beheaded by ISIS. It astounds me that people can't understand this threat.

No one does that. But what Is happening is a geopolitical disaster. Bibi is about to lose power in just over 30 days. He's desperate to rally the troops as they say in his own country. He's trying to ge the Us to strike Iran to make that happen internally. He's facing a multitude of prosecutions once he's out.

There's little to no strategic gain for the US but the risk is WW3.

But tHEY hAVE NuKEs!!! Then we better also bomb UK because the writing on the wall is there too.

But any criticism of the current situation is met with comments like yours! (THATS RACISTS!). It's like the left's response to a border wall. It's devoid of intelligence and is a preprogrammed response.

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No one does that. But what Is happening is a geopolitical disaster. Bibi is about to lose power in just over 30 days. He's desperate to rally the troops as they say in his own country. He's trying to ge the Us to strike Iran to make that happen internally. He's facing a multitude of prosecutions once he's out.

There's little to no strategic gain for the US but the risk is WW3.

But tHEY hAVE NuKEs!!! Then we better also bomb UK because the writing on the wall is there too.

But any criticism of the current situation is met with comments like yours! (THATS RACISTS!). It's like the left's response to a border wall. It's devoid of intelligence and is a preprogrammed response.

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It's not that criticism is met with "That's racist", it's that there are 3 options for the blatant ignoring the actual importance of Iran and the Islamic regime that controls it (if it were an Islamic majority country, that would be an entirely different thing) in global geopolitics. 2 of the 3 explanations are either straight up racism, or mild racism, and the third is just ignorance and mental dimness, so you should take it as a compliment that I assume one of the first 2.

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Minor comparison to the long term effects of ending the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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this is insane. The UK will be predominantly muslim, and the most radical kind of muslim, country in like 20 years. They have nukes. All of this migration has happened since 9/11.

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The UK is predominantly Muslim based on them being 6% of their population? Pretty weird math.

And you poorly understand Islam, radical Islam, and the history of the region and the conflicts that have persisted there.

So in 25 years, the Muslims in the UK have doubled from 3% to 6% and now stand at the cusp of controlling the Brits nuclear arsenal. And as such, we should stay out of Iran.

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If I poorly understand why are you the one saying ******ed things? You cant read. You cant understand.

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You said the UK will be "predominantly Muslim" and then add in that they have nukes.

You want to tell me what I missed?

Pretty sure I can read and understand things. Pretty sure you just don't like your fear mongering challenged.

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I said in the future, not today. Im fear mongering but you want us to attack other countries out of, what, peace and love? Im fear mongering people out of war? Do you know how stupid you sound?


You said we need to attack this muslim country because they are trying to get nukes. I pointed out the obvious problem of the influx of muslims to western counties created by previous interventions and the shifting demographics giving them power in countries that already have nukes.

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Don't use logic with this guy (or gal). It's all feelings. If you say anything to disagree with the nation state of Israel, then you're antisemitic. That's the depth of their argument.

Hard to believe Israeli intelligence after they let 3,000 mass and attack the most secure border in the world. A Jewish spy blackmailed powerful people to get what he and Israel wanted so we must attack Iran. What I really don't get is we give them billions but still have to help them. Most Americans are more worried about getting hit by a drunk illegal then Iran. Illegals will kill more Americans this year then Iran. We will attack Iran because Addleson says too.

It's funny all these conspiracy theories end up coming true except the biggest one the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about. I challenge anyone to listen to podcast of the survivors of the USS liberty attack and still support them.

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Minor comparison to the long term effects of ending the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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this is insane. The UK will be predominantly muslim, and the most radical kind of muslim, country in like 20 years. They have nukes. All of this migration has happened since 9/11.

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The UK is predominantly Muslim based on them being 6% of their population? Pretty weird math.

And you poorly understand Islam, radical Islam, and the history of the region and the conflicts that have persisted there.

So in 25 years, the Muslims in the UK have doubled from 3% to 6% and now stand at the cusp of controlling the Brits nuclear arsenal. And as such, we should stay out of Iran.

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If I poorly understand why are you the one saying ******ed things? You cant read. You cant understand.

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You said the UK will be "predominantly Muslim" and then add in that they have nukes.

You want to tell me what I missed?

Pretty sure I can read and understand things. Pretty sure you just don't like your fear mongering challenged.

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I said in the future, not today. Im fear mongering but you want us to attack other countries out of, what, peace and love? Im fear mongering people out of war? Do you know how stupid you sound?


You said we need to attack this muslim country because they are trying to get nukes. I pointed out the obvious problem of the influx of muslims to western counties created by previous interventions and the shifting demographics giving them power in countries that already have nukes.

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Don't use logic with this guy (or gal). It's all feelings. If you say anything to disagree with the nation state of Israel, then you're antisemitic. That's the depth of their argument.

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It's the immediate blaming of Israel for our interest in Iran to begin with that is the problem. There are so many reasons we have interests involved there ranging from China to Russia to the EU, UK, etc, and the first thing some of you think is "Because Israel told us to." THAT is either simpleton logic or antisemitism, I'll let you choose which one applies.

Your entire argument is an ad hominem. "You're either dumb or a racist". Yet you haven't articulated a strategic benefit to the untied states and more importantly its people that is worth risking WW3 to achieve. "Muh Russia and China" aren't reasons

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Your entire argument is an ad hominem. "You're either dumb or a racist". Yet you haven't articulated a strategic benefit to the untied states and more importantly its people that is worth risking WW3 to achieve. "Muh Russia and China" aren't reasons

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I didn't think stating the obvious was necessary, but yes, having a historically (pre-1970's) pro-western country go back to being so instead of allying militarily with Russia (who we are spending a lot of money to fight in Ukraine) and China and perhaps being an option for energy supplies to the EU, while also removing a state exporter of destabilizing Islamism to here, the UK, etc (AKA the whole of the west), seems like plenty of reason to be involved. "Risking WW3" is about as simpleton as it gets when talking about actually addressing serious global issues that do not get better if we do nothing. Thinking that we only have 2 options of either isolationism or WW3 is, in fact, either dumb or racist, depending on the reason for thinking it can only be one of those 2.

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100%.

This.

All day.

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When you have a tumor growing in your body, you don't ignore it and hope for the best. Iran under radical Islamists is the world's tumor.

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So let me ask you this. What would your plan be at this point? It sounds like it would be pull out of the Region altogether and just hope for the best.

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100%.

This.

All day.

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When you have a tumor growing in your body, you don't ignore it and hope for the best. Iran under radical Islamists is the world's tumor.

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It's only a problem when we have pockets of Sharia law in the US and we have liberals in charge who will do nothing about it. Of course, then it is a little too late, but whatever... I'm sure our wives will look great in black bedsheets.

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No, a combination of expensive socialist policies and a rapidly declining birth rate lead to the realization that they needed more workers to keep it all afloat. And it's why certain groups want open borders here.

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No, a combination of expensive socialist policies and a rapidly declining birth rate lead to the realization that they needed more workers to keep it all afloat. And it's why certain groups want open borders here.

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It's one taking advantage of the other.

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A good number of the UK's Muslim imports are from Pakistan and Africa, two places I don't think we've been sending troops too.

Obviously that would be preferable. Just like world peace but we can't just snap our fingers and make it happen. There is a cost associated with everything and as American as a whole we are terrible at doing that. Jesus says a wise man counts the cost first. We aren't. We are a BANKRUPT country. We cannot afford another war unless we want to put the final nail in the coffin of Gen Z and alpha ever owning homes.

And so when you look at the entire scope of the geopolitical landscape the number one beneficiary of this war is Israel and Bibi himself. Not everyday AMERICANS! We have been in the Me for 25 years over WMD already. How Gullible are you people.

We literally don't have the money. You're trading the future financial sovereignty of the United States and its future generations for a dopamine hit watching Twitter posts of more US bombing campaigns. We're addicted to bombing people.

Can you guarantee that Iran will go back to a pro-Western regime? How friendly are the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan right now? We spent trillions of dollars in those countries and lost thousands of American lives. What do we have to show for it? I guess this is just more simplistic thinking. Maybe we need more enlightened thought like "Israel good because democracy, Iran bad because Muslim." Did I get it right?

They also have Chinese and Potuges and Americans. Yes there are immigrants from other places too.

The Pakis have been slowly coming in and ****ing for 70 years mostly. 51,000 in 1970 to 1.6 million now

I'm not sure if you just trying to be obtuse but OBVIOUSLY there was a giant migrant crisis stemming from The Arab Spring, ISIS that led to the Syrian Civil War etc…

It was literally called "The Migrant Crisis". 4.5 million Syrians and over a million others from the region came into Europe alone in a few years

If you can't accept reality then a conversation can't be had.

Everyone : The sky is blue.

BBRex: "akchtuallee.. It's more of a cyan-adjacent void"