Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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This isn't an Epstein issue. It's a government vs people issue. The Epstein topic at hand just so happen to be what the peasants clutch their pearls at.

And by advocating for the GOP to continue their team over policy nonsense, you are allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. The GOP moves one step right at most when in power and the Democrats take two steps left when in power. The historical pendulum is therefore biased to the left therefore your premise of "most important election ever" and "if we don't support the GOP then nothing will happen" are nonsense from the onset because the GOP already does little to nothing when they do have power.

You may see the start of the forest, but you aren't looking deep enough to see the long term consequences of why advocating for the short term "team win now" is going to hurt your children even more later.

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Just want to say right off that I approve of this thread.

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OK, but it is a thread about nothing. Massie claims to be America first and I agree with him on reducing money we send overseas, to everyone. However, he looks RINOish with things like is passionate take on the Epstein files. Again, we all know nobody will ever be held to account because they (both parties) never hold anyone accountable for demonic activities, fraud, or all the other abuses politicians impose on us serfs.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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They can sit around and tell all their kids about the time Massie stood up for his principles with the room lit by candles (because the windmills aren't turning and it is nighttime) after the dems managed to get the green new deal two passed because they know how to vote together when it counts.

txags92 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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They can sit around and tell all their kids about the time Massie stood up for his principles with the room lit by candles (because the windmills aren't turning and it is nighttime) after the dems managed to get the green new deal two passed because they know how to vote together when it counts.

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If you let America get to that point from the comfort of your keyboard then you are just as much to blame. The fear mongering is hilarious if you want to keep America together under the hypothetical that D's get perpetual power and try to push that distopian future.

I won't let my kids deal with that nonsense and would rather deal with it now. But you can enjoy telling your kids how you told those big bad conservatives that it's their fault for not being more moderate.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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Epstein isn't a "legitimate issue?" A multinational trafficking ring tied to elites, politicians, with intelligence leverage, is somehow a distraction now?

Calling that irrelevant is some next-level partisan cope. If investigating potential blackmail networks is "Marxism," then basic accountability must be revolutionary

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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Ding ding ding!!!

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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Trump was the one who derailed "legitimate issues" when he started throwing tantrums on twitter crying hoax. If he wanted to move on he could have just endorsed the release. Instead he divided his base. Massie and Trump were in agreement on Epstein up until Trump flipped in August 2025.

None of it will matter soon enough. Gridlock doesn't help when democrats always get what they want to advance the ball and republicans fight like regards over things that won't save the Republic. Stupid politics. Massie is a traitor.

I don't give a ***** I'm not a "Trump guy." I don't care about him. I'm an "America guy." This is a meaningless issue.

Judges and borders are not. And they'll shape what this nation becomes. This is moronic.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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Bondi, Johnson, or Trump could easily solve this behind closed doors but they chose not to. Massie has been very clear he wants transparency and doesn't care who is involved. He was patient as well. He just isn't going to compromise his principles over this.

I do wish Massie was more pragmatic but at least he is consistent and the fault lies not with him but with the people that thought the best way to get him to play ball is to threaten him and defame him instead of working with him. Hell Trump has even unleashed his underlings to go after his new wife and spread conspiracies about his old wife who died of cancer. It's not hard to understand why Massie isn't wanting to make things easier on Trump and Johnson when they is literally trying everything he can to get him primaried out.

All Trump and Bondi and Johnson have to do is what they promised and quit the slow sets of redacted releases which are only helping the Democrats as well.

And we are past whatever Trump didn't do. No one else is getting prosecuted. This is a colossal distraction.

aggie93 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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Bondi, Johnson, or Trump could easily solve this behind closed doors but they chose not to. Massie has been very clear he wants transparency and doesn't care who is involved. He was patient as well. He just isn't going to compromise his principles over this.

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But he was totally willing to compromise his principles and not vote for something he was otherwise willing to vote for just because Johnson wasn't willing to fellate him publicly for his "win". I don't care so much that he pushed for the Epstein stuff...whatever. What bugs the crap out of me and shows his true colors was that he was willing to withhold his vote over something that matters to absolutely nobody but Massie. He could have withheld his vote in return for bringing another amendment to the floor or to block some other bill he didn't like, but he didn't. His narcissistic price was a public apology that nobody but he would care about. He was willing to hold up GOP legislation over it and that is what makes him an idiot. He may be very smart and very principled and very libertarian, but he is a political retahd.

Tea Party said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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This isn't an Epstein issue. It's a government vs people issue. The Epstein topic at hand just so happen to be what the peasants clutch their pearls at.

And by advocating for the GOP to continue their team over policy nonsense, you are allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. The GOP moves one step right at most when in power and the Democrats take two steps left when in power. The historical pendulum is therefore biased to the left therefore your premise of "most important election ever" and "if we don't support the GOP then nothing will happen" are nonsense from the onset because the GOP already does little to nothing when they do have power.

You may see the start of the forest, but you aren't looking deep enough to see the long term consequences of why advocating for the short term "team win now" is going to hurt your children even more later.

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The problem with people that have your views is that they want to take 24 steps right in one fell swoop and don't realize that only a small percentage of people in the country are willing to do that...

So, you end up handing things over to the Dems, who then take their incremental 2 steps left...

Getting candidates that will take 2-2.1 steps right every time is actually an electable chance...

But, you also have to realize there there will still be GOP politicians in areas where taking 2 steps right cannot be done. But, they can get you 0.8 steps right. Which is STILL better than 2 steps left...

Ellis Wyatt said:

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And we are past whatever Trump didn't do. No one else is getting prosecuted. This is a colossal distraction.

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Not disagreeing but putting the blame on Massie for doing exactly what he said he would do is also dumb. The smarter play would be to focus on peeling off a Dem or two if that's what it takes. Massie still votes with Trump 90% of the time and he is one of a handful of Republicans that actually reads the bills and finds the traps that Democrats set in them. I remember when he was calling out the dangers in the Covid bills and Trump was doing the same thing and folks were telling him to shut up and get in line then too. Worked out great that we left in the clauses that basically let people stay on unemployment for years.

I'd like Massie to be more like Roy and be pragmatic but that's not who he is, if you want to move to his District and try and vote him out go for it.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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I don't give a ***** I'm not a "Trump guy." I don't care about him. I'm an "America guy." This is a meaningless issue.

Judges and borders are not. And they'll shape what this nation becomes. This is moronic.

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The leader of the GOP pissed away all of the political capital he had in order to defend his pals like Lutnick. Thats not a Massie problem thats a Trump/America problem. Trump made himself look like an idiot over this issue whether or not you think its important. He's the one that made this a distraction.

aggie93 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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Bondi, Johnson, or Trump could easily solve this behind closed doors but they chose not to. Massie has been very clear he wants transparency and doesn't care who is involved. He was patient as well. He just isn't going to compromise his principles over this.

I do wish Massie was more pragmatic but at least he is consistent and the fault lies not with him but with the people that thought the best way to get him to play ball is to threaten him and defame him instead of working with him. Hell Trump has even unleashed his underlings to go after his new wife and spread conspiracies about his old wife who died of cancer. It's not hard to understand why Massie isn't wanting to make things easier on Trump and Johnson when they is literally trying everything he can to get him primaried out.

All Trump and Bondi and Johnson have to do is what they promised and quit the slow sets of redacted releases which are only helping the Democrats as well.

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Massie was in office during the entire Biden administration and never cared about this issue. Then he voted with mostly Democrats to get information released this year...

Helping the Dems in ANYTHING sucks...they only want to do things that hurt the GOP and conservatives...

I'll also put the blame on Massie when we have no more say in the direction of the country. But at least he stood firm on something irrelevant.

The leader of the gop is fighting the entire democrat party and half of the Republican Party because people are idiots. This is so tiresome.

You'll be super happy when he's out of office and conservatives are spending years in jail. Again.

Ag with kids said:

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aggie93 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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Bondi, Johnson, or Trump could easily solve this behind closed doors but they chose not to. Massie has been very clear he wants transparency and doesn't care who is involved. He was patient as well. He just isn't going to compromise his principles over this.

I do wish Massie was more pragmatic but at least he is consistent and the fault lies not with him but with the people that thought the best way to get him to play ball is to threaten him and defame him instead of working with him. Hell Trump has even unleashed his underlings to go after his new wife and spread conspiracies about his old wife who died of cancer. It's not hard to understand why Massie isn't wanting to make things easier on Trump and Johnson when they is literally trying everything he can to get him primaried out.

All Trump and Bondi and Johnson have to do is what they promised and quit the slow sets of redacted releases which are only helping the Democrats as well.

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Massie was in office during the entire Biden administration and never cared about this issue. Then he voted with mostly Democrats to get information released this year...

Helping the Dems in ANYTHING sucks...they only want to do things that hurt the GOP and conservatives...

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Massie talked about Epstein when Biden was in office he just had no power to do anything about it.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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The leader of the gop is fighting the entire democrat party and half of the Republican Party because people are idiots. This is so tiresome.

You'll be super happy when he's out of office and conservatives are spending years in jail. Again.

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The leader of the GOP made a terrible decision on an issue he previously told his base he would be good on. Thats not on anybody but him whether you like it or not.

aggie93 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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aggie93 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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Bondi, Johnson, or Trump could easily solve this behind closed doors but they chose not to. Massie has been very clear he wants transparency and doesn't care who is involved. He was patient as well. He just isn't going to compromise his principles over this.

I do wish Massie was more pragmatic but at least he is consistent and the fault lies not with him but with the people that thought the best way to get him to play ball is to threaten him and defame him instead of working with him. Hell Trump has even unleashed his underlings to go after his new wife and spread conspiracies about his old wife who died of cancer. It's not hard to understand why Massie isn't wanting to make things easier on Trump and Johnson when they is literally trying everything he can to get him primaried out.

All Trump and Bondi and Johnson have to do is what they promised and quit the slow sets of redacted releases which are only helping the Democrats as well.

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Massie was in office during the entire Biden administration and never cared about this issue. Then he voted with mostly Democrats to get information released this year...

Helping the Dems in ANYTHING sucks...they only want to do things that hurt the GOP and conservatives...

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Massie talked about Epstein when Biden was in office he just had no power to do anything about it.

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The Dems all voted to release the info. Maybe if he'd put his bill out THEN, it would have come out 5 years ago.

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I'll also put the blame on Massie when we have no more say in the direction of the country. But at least he stood firm on something irrelevant.

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That's fine but once again it was an easy problem for Bondi, Johnson, or Trump to fix as well but they are hell bent on making Massie into a yes man (which he will never be) and trying to oust him like they did Good. It was a foolish choice. You can blame the rock or you can blame the guy that chooses to bang his head against the rock, truth is both can be blamed. Much smarter to work with Massie than not though, he's a very smart guy that could really add value if used properly. He is one of the few guys though that would be perfectly happy getting voted out of office and living on his farm though unlike 90% of the guys in DC.

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I don't even like him but you know if Trump would have done what he and his admin promised then Massie would be a non issue!

Now all you hear is Trumps admin is the most transparent- no they are not ! Massie forced them to do what they promised then REFUSED to deliver on.

Now it's a smear campaign on the guy even more. You know in Bondi's own words he's a failed politician.

Except he's one of the ONLY REASONS the files that have been released were.

Trumps administration will find out in November when the the base doesn't turn out and it's by their own choosing. It's a sad thing to watch as they screwed over the people that voted for them.

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I have lots of people I personally know that posted all the time during the Biden administration that "Epstein didn't kill himself" and those kinds of memes.

Those guys are now as quiet as church mice about Epstein. They still are 100% MAGA and 100% support Trump, but they don't talk about the Epstein files at all. They know they have been compromised and are obvious hypocrites. And many of them don't appreciate being put in that position. Of taking the side of child abusers. It's the most absolute kind of loyalty where any decent person would feel sick.

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1) It's hilarious that you expect us to believe that you have actual conservative friends in real life, with your posting history

2) Talking about people being quiet as a church mouse when not one word about these files or investigations happened during Autopen's term rings completely hollow

Up until recently, your side thought that all of this was some massive conspiracy theory.

txags92 said:

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aggie93 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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Bondi, Johnson, or Trump could easily solve this behind closed doors but they chose not to. Massie has been very clear he wants transparency and doesn't care who is involved. He was patient as well. He just isn't going to compromise his principles over this.

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But he was totally willing to compromise his principles and not vote for something he was otherwise willing to vote for just because Johnson wasn't willing to fellate him publicly for his "win". I don't care so much that he pushed for the Epstein stuff...whatever. What bugs the crap out of me and shows his true colors was that he was willing to withhold his vote over something that matters to absolutely nobody but Massie. He could have withheld his vote in return for bringing another amendment to the floor or to block some other bill he didn't like, but he didn't. His narcissistic price was a public apology that nobody but he would care about. He was willing to hold up GOP legislation over it and that is what makes him an idiot. He may be very smart and very principled and very libertarian, but he is a political retahd.

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That situation is a bit more complicated than that, Massie has shown he is willing to He was looking for Johnson to be honest which was a bridge too far for him. Johnson despises Massie. Massie knows he has very limited power and he has used it to get as much of the Epstein stuff released as possible. BTW, if that was truly the only issue than why wouldn't Johnson do it? It would be a win/win if so. He would rather dig his heels in and try to take out Massie though than work with him or certainly admit he was right.

I am not saying Massie is pure and I have said I disagree with his stance here. He knows that no matter what he does Johnson would rather lose 10 seats to Democrats rather than have Massie back next session as would Trump. It's kind of like the idiocy of the Senate Republicans spending $60 million to back John Cornyn in the primary instead of spending that money on the General, certainly Democrats are thrilled to see them set money on fire and waste cycles propping up someone the voters don't want. Did the same thing with Murkowski and that worked out great.

Who knows all of the internal intrigue on this but there is plenty of blame to go around, I just find it laughable that Massie is the only bad guy here when the 3 people that could fix this easily refuse to do so.

aggie93 said:

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txags92 said:

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aggie93 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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Bondi, Johnson, or Trump could easily solve this behind closed doors but they chose not to. Massie has been very clear he wants transparency and doesn't care who is involved. He was patient as well. He just isn't going to compromise his principles over this.

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But he was totally willing to compromise his principles and not vote for something he was otherwise willing to vote for just because Johnson wasn't willing to fellate him publicly for his "win". I don't care so much that he pushed for the Epstein stuff...whatever. What bugs the crap out of me and shows his true colors was that he was willing to withhold his vote over something that matters to absolutely nobody but Massie. He could have withheld his vote in return for bringing another amendment to the floor or to block some other bill he didn't like, but he didn't. His narcissistic price was a public apology that nobody but he would care about. He was willing to hold up GOP legislation over it and that is what makes him an idiot. He may be very smart and very principled and very libertarian, but he is a political retahd.

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That situation is a bit more complicated than that, Massie has shown he is willing to He was looking for Johnson to be honest which was a bridge too far for him. Johnson despises Massie. Massie knows he has very limited power and he has used it to get as much of the Epstein stuff released as possible. BTW, if that was truly the only issue than why wouldn't Johnson do it? It would be a win/win if so. He would rather dig his heels in and try to take out Massie though than work with him or certainly admit he was right.

I am not saying Massie is pure and I have said I disagree with his stance here. He knows that no matter what he does Johnson would rather lose 10 seats to Democrats rather than have Massie back next session as would Trump. It's kind of like the idiocy of the Senate Republicans spending $60 million to back John Cornyn in the primary instead of spending that money on the General, certainly Democrats are thrilled to see them set money on fire and waste cycles propping up someone the voters don't want. Did the same thing with Murkowski and that worked out great.

Who knows all of the internal intrigue on this but there is plenty of blame to go around, I just find it laughable that Massie is the only bad guy here when the 3 people that could fix this easily refuse to do so.

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Because if Johnson does it, then every other R with an ax to grind about any issue is going to want his moment in the spotlight with Johnson going down on him in public, and that is not a pathway to strong leadership. And you are delusional if you think that any opinion Johnson has about Massie would cause him to be ok with losing 10 seats to dems. That is a ridiculous statement on its face and goes well beyond hyperbole. Johnson has his flaws as a speaker (being generous to him), but willingly giving up power to Ds over a personal squabble isn't one of them.

txags92 said:

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aggie93 said:

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txags92 said:

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aggie93 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Tea Party said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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Bondi, Johnson, or Trump could easily solve this behind closed doors but they chose not to. Massie has been very clear he wants transparency and doesn't care who is involved. He was patient as well. He just isn't going to compromise his principles over this.

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But he was totally willing to compromise his principles and not vote for something he was otherwise willing to vote for just because Johnson wasn't willing to fellate him publicly for his "win". I don't care so much that he pushed for the Epstein stuff...whatever. What bugs the crap out of me and shows his true colors was that he was willing to withhold his vote over something that matters to absolutely nobody but Massie. He could have withheld his vote in return for bringing another amendment to the floor or to block some other bill he didn't like, but he didn't. His narcissistic price was a public apology that nobody but he would care about. He was willing to hold up GOP legislation over it and that is what makes him an idiot. He may be very smart and very principled and very libertarian, but he is a political retahd.

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That situation is a bit more complicated than that, Massie has shown he is willing to He was looking for Johnson to be honest which was a bridge too far for him. Johnson despises Massie. Massie knows he has very limited power and he has used it to get as much of the Epstein stuff released as possible. BTW, if that was truly the only issue than why wouldn't Johnson do it? It would be a win/win if so. He would rather dig his heels in and try to take out Massie though than work with him or certainly admit he was right.

I am not saying Massie is pure and I have said I disagree with his stance here. He knows that no matter what he does Johnson would rather lose 10 seats to Democrats rather than have Massie back next session as would Trump. It's kind of like the idiocy of the Senate Republicans spending $60 million to back John Cornyn in the primary instead of spending that money on the General, certainly Democrats are thrilled to see them set money on fire and waste cycles propping up someone the voters don't want. Did the same thing with Murkowski and that worked out great.

Who knows all of the internal intrigue on this but there is plenty of blame to go around, I just find it laughable that Massie is the only bad guy here when the 3 people that could fix this easily refuse to do so.

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Because if Johnson does it, then every other R with an ax to grind about any issue is going to want his moment in the spotlight with Johnson going down on him in public, and that is not a pathway to strong leadership. And you are delusional if you think that any opinion Johnson has about Massie would cause him to be ok with losing 10 seats to dems. That is a ridiculous statement on its face and goes well beyond hyperbole. Johnson has his flaws as a speaker (being generous to him), but willingly giving up power to Ds over a personal squabble isn't one of them.

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The Ds or Rs could offer anyone in Congress an extra $300,000 more than what they're already being paid under the table and they'd switch sides in a heartbeat. Johnson would walk out there with pink hair tomorrow if it put more money in his pocket, they all would, including Massie if i were to bet.

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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This isn't an Epstein issue. It's a government vs people issue. The Epstein topic at hand just so happen to be what the peasants clutch their pearls at.

And by advocating for the GOP to continue their team over policy nonsense, you are allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. The GOP moves one step right at most when in power and the Democrats take two steps left when in power. The historical pendulum is therefore biased to the left therefore your premise of "most important election ever" and "if we don't support the GOP then nothing will happen" are nonsense from the onset because the GOP already does little to nothing when they do have power.

You may see the start of the forest, but you aren't looking deep enough to see the long term consequences of why advocating for the short term "team win now" is going to hurt your children even more later.

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The problem with people that have your views is that they want to take 24 steps right in one fell swoop and don't realize that only a small percentage of people in the country are willing to do that...

So, you end up handing things over to the Dems, who then take their incremental 2 steps left...

Getting candidates that will take 2-2.1 steps right every time is actually an electable chance...

But, you also have to realize there there will still be GOP politicians in areas where taking 2 steps right cannot be done. But, they can get you 0.8 steps right. Which is STILL better than 2 steps left...

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Feel free to quote me where I have ever advocated we must take drastic steps to the right on one feel swoop. I would love that, but know it's not feasible. I have though proposed the only logical outcomes of two incompatible political ideologies in a team v team political structure is either one team refusing to allow the other team a fair chance, or divorce.

I admit I'm not a great communicator, but you are misunderstanding either the problem or the solution I've been advocating for.

And I completely agree getting candidates that take 2.1 steps to the right is a great start, though it needs to be done on average not individually. The moderate Rs May only take one step right and the conservatives need to be advocating for multiple steps so on average it is more than the Dems two steps left.

Cornyn is a two steps right R but in a position that should be held by a three or four step right R. Massie is likely a five step right R which I love, but you need those types to average out to more than two steps. And yes he does compromise but not when the compromise results in just one step right.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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Bondi, Johnson, or Trump could easily solve this behind closed doors but they chose not to. Massie has been very clear he wants transparency and doesn't care who is involved. He was patient as well. He just isn't going to compromise his principles over this.

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But he was totally willing to compromise his principles and not vote for something he was otherwise willing to vote for just because Johnson wasn't willing to fellate him publicly for his "win". I don't care so much that he pushed for the Epstein stuff...whatever. What bugs the crap out of me and shows his true colors was that he was willing to withhold his vote over something that matters to absolutely nobody but Massie. He could have withheld his vote in return for bringing another amendment to the floor or to block some other bill he didn't like, but he didn't. His narcissistic price was a public apology that nobody but he would care about. He was willing to hold up GOP legislation over it and that is what makes him an idiot. He may be very smart and very principled and very libertarian, but he is a political retahd.

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That situation is a bit more complicated than that, Massie has shown he is willing to He was looking for Johnson to be honest which was a bridge too far for him. Johnson despises Massie. Massie knows he has very limited power and he has used it to get as much of the Epstein stuff released as possible. BTW, if that was truly the only issue than why wouldn't Johnson do it? It would be a win/win if so. He would rather dig his heels in and try to take out Massie though than work with him or certainly admit he was right.

I am not saying Massie is pure and I have said I disagree with his stance here. He knows that no matter what he does Johnson would rather lose 10 seats to Democrats rather than have Massie back next session as would Trump. It's kind of like the idiocy of the Senate Republicans spending $60 million to back John Cornyn in the primary instead of spending that money on the General, certainly Democrats are thrilled to see them set money on fire and waste cycles propping up someone the voters don't want. Did the same thing with Murkowski and that worked out great.

Who knows all of the internal intrigue on this but there is plenty of blame to go around, I just find it laughable that Massie is the only bad guy here when the 3 people that could fix this easily refuse to do so.

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Because if Johnson does it, then every other R with an ax to grind about any issue is going to want his moment in the spotlight with Johnson going down on him in public, and that is not a pathway to strong leadership. And you are delusional if you think that any opinion Johnson has about Massie would cause him to be ok with losing 10 seats to dems. That is a ridiculous statement on its face and goes well beyond hyperbole. Johnson has his flaws as a speaker (being generous to him), but willingly giving up power to Ds over a personal squabble isn't one of them.

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It's kind of comical for you to act like the Speaker making compromises with Reps to get their votes is something that doesn't happen on virtually every bill. If all Massie wanted was a little spotlight to get his vote (personally I think Massie probably asked for it knowing Johnson wouldn't do it) then Johnson is a fool to instead decide he wants to keep up his feud with Massie instead. I can't imagine how many folks he is compromising with NOT to just force the release of everything and on stuff like the BBB.

He has spent far more time bashing Massie and trying to make it clear he wants him out than he has campaigning against vulnerable Dems. It's about how you spend your resources and time. Massie seems to be enemy #1 for him. Does he want to lose seats? No, but his actions will cause that.

Once again I don't like what Massie is doing but this is easily fixable by Trump, Bondi, or Johnson if they just do what they said they were going to do.

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ellis gets it. as a former ayn rand screen name, i appreciate he's the one who gets it

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He's actually advocating for the opposite of Ellis would in Ayn Rand's book.

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By allowing Epstein to derail legitimate issues, you're allowing the marxists to entrench themselves further. They will add to their numbers of judges, they'll throw the borders back open, and America will be powerless to stop them.

I guess some of you will be happy then, even though not a single other person will be prosecuted related to Epstein. I hope that is the America you want for your children, because it's the America they will get.

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Bondi, Johnson, or Trump could easily solve this behind closed doors but they chose not to. Massie has been very clear he wants transparency and doesn't care who is involved. He was patient as well. He just isn't going to compromise his principles over this.

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But he was totally willing to compromise his principles and not vote for something he was otherwise willing to vote for just because Johnson wasn't willing to fellate him publicly for his "win". I don't care so much that he pushed for the Epstein stuff...whatever. What bugs the crap out of me and shows his true colors was that he was willing to withhold his vote over something that matters to absolutely nobody but Massie. He could have withheld his vote in return for bringing another amendment to the floor or to block some other bill he didn't like, but he didn't. His narcissistic price was a public apology that nobody but he would care about. He was willing to hold up GOP legislation over it and that is what makes him an idiot. He may be very smart and very principled and very libertarian, but he is a political retahd.

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That situation is a bit more complicated than that, Massie has shown he is willing to He was looking for Johnson to be honest which was a bridge too far for him. Johnson despises Massie. Massie knows he has very limited power and he has used it to get as much of the Epstein stuff released as possible. BTW, if that was truly the only issue than why wouldn't Johnson do it? It would be a win/win if so. He would rather dig his heels in and try to take out Massie though than work with him or certainly admit he was right.

I am not saying Massie is pure and I have said I disagree with his stance here. He knows that no matter what he does Johnson would rather lose 10 seats to Democrats rather than have Massie back next session as would Trump. It's kind of like the idiocy of the Senate Republicans spending $60 million to back John Cornyn in the primary instead of spending that money on the General, certainly Democrats are thrilled to see them set money on fire and waste cycles propping up someone the voters don't want. Did the same thing with Murkowski and that worked out great.

Who knows all of the internal intrigue on this but there is plenty of blame to go around, I just find it laughable that Massie is the only bad guy here when the 3 people that could fix this easily refuse to do so.

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Because if Johnson does it, then every other R with an ax to grind about any issue is going to want his moment in the spotlight with Johnson going down on him in public, and that is not a pathway to strong leadership. And you are delusional if you think that any opinion Johnson has about Massie would cause him to be ok with losing 10 seats to dems. That is a ridiculous statement on its face and goes well beyond hyperbole. Johnson has his flaws as a speaker (being generous to him), but willingly giving up power to Ds over a personal squabble isn't one of them.

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It's kind of comical for you to act like the Speaker making compromises with Reps to get their votes is something that doesn't happen on virtually every bill. If all Massie wanted was a little spotlight to get his vote (personally I think Massie probably asked for it knowing Johnson wouldn't do it) then Johnson is a fool to instead decide he wants to keep up his feud with Massie instead. I can't imagine how many folks he is compromising with NOT to just force the release of everything and on stuff like the BBB.

He has spent far more time bashing Massie and trying to make it clear he wants him out than he has campaigning against vulnerable Dems. It's about how you spend your resources and time. Massie seems to be enemy #1 for him. Does he want to lose seats? No, but his actions will cause that.

Once again I don't like what Massie is doing but this is easily fixable by Trump, Bondi, or Johnson if they just do what they said they were going to do.

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He wasn't asking for the speaker to compromise, he was asking him to prostrate himself at Massie's feet. If he were asking for a compromise from Johnson I am sure they could have worked something out.

What a hero

🚨 BREAKING: Thomas Massie to sit on the Democrat side of the aisle during Trump’s State of the Union to show “bipartisan unity” on the Epstein files pic.twitter.com/9ciuSezw9X

— johnny maga (@johnnymaga) February 24, 2026

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What a hero

🚨 BREAKING: Thomas Massie to sit on the Democrat side of the aisle during Trump’s State of the Union to show “bipartisan unity” on the Epstein files pic.twitter.com/9ciuSezw9X

— johnny maga (@johnnymaga) February 24, 2026

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That's so cute. At least he is being honest about which party he wants to help.

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What a hero

🚨 BREAKING: Thomas Massie to sit on the Democrat side of the aisle during Trump’s State of the Union to show “bipartisan unity” on the Epstein files pic.twitter.com/9ciuSezw9X

— johnny maga (@johnnymaga) February 24, 2026

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That's so cute. At least he is being honest about which party he wants to help.

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Where was Massie when Biden was President? Didn't hear much from him wanting Esptein people prosecuted during that time or when Obama was President. His selective morale outage is loathsome.

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That's so cute. At least he is being honest about which party he wants to help.

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Oh BTW, this was fake news. Massie sat on the Republican side of the aisle and this was just another hit tactic against him.

No surprise this was Johnny MAGA btw, he was spreading lies about DeSantis during the primaries daily. I have plenty of disagreement with Massie but I find this crap so gross.

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That's so cute. At least he is being honest about which party he wants to help.

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Oh BTW, this was fake news. Massie sat on the Republican side of the aisle and this was just another hit tactic against him.

No surprise this was Johnny MAGA btw, he was spreading lies about DeSantis during the primaries daily. I have plenty of disagreement with Massie but I find this crap so gross.

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Glad to hear it was fake news.

This thread is a hoot. Almost everyone in here would agree with the underlying meaning behind "if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." Yet that is exactly what so many in here are asking Massie to do. Abandon his principles and vote with the party. I hear it all the time, there are way too many RINOs. It's all just a uniparty. Congress is worthless. And so on. Yet these are the exact people you want him to "play ball" with.

Whoever posted the team aspect and it's all about winning above substance is correct. And both sides are now almost fully consumed by it. Granted the left is still much worse…for now.

I would say 90% of politicians are just bad or corrupted people. On the D side maybe it's 95%. If we expect the VERY few decent ones to go along with the rest, then it's all over anyways. The "win at any cost" and "we have to compromise to get something done" mentality is why our government is so dysfunctional. Even if there is some good policy in there, those little compromises pile up over the decades and we're left with the monstrosity we have now.

Massie is one of the very few limited govt politicians out there. We need a lot more like him, and a lot less "playing ball."