Can the Democratic Party Moderate?

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Aggie Spirit
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"The Democratic Party cannot moderate as long as progressive groups are able to exert control over the state and local party, pushing out moderates like Shawn Thierry and Jason Pizzo. Progressive policies have led to rising crime, uncontrolled spending, recurring fiscal shortfalls, higher taxes, and visible mismanagement. These outcomes do not remain siloed in one particular Democratic-controlled city or state. Instead, they are synthesized in the minds of voters as reflections of Democratic governance as a whole."

Why the Democratic Party Can't Moderate | Compact

Not when the bigoted left has it by the...
Owlagdad
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How do you know democrats tell lies? Their lips are moving!
Obama was moderate until the day he took office.
ttu_85
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Well they all got the far lefty rabies which is fatal, to either them or the country at large, depending if they ever "win" again.

They cant get to the ash heap of history fast enough. Nothing but commies and socialist these days.
CDUB98
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Just like the VA governor's race, they are going to moderate their message for the election cycle, but as soon as they obtain power, they are going to push twice as hard and fast for full on socialist rule and entrench their power.
Owlagdad
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Hillary is doing it now.
Liar,liar pants on fire!
CDUB98
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Quote:

Progressive policies have led to rising crime, uncontrolled spending, recurring fiscal shortfalls, higher taxes, and visible mismanagement.

And yet, the blithering idiots continue to vote for them.
Science Denier
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Democrats moderate?
EVER?

The party of slavery?
The party of Jim Crow?

LOL
LOL OLD
Stressboy
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Aggie Spirit said:

"The Democratic Party cannot moderate as long as progressive groups are able to exert control over the state and local party, pushing out moderates like Shawn Thierry and Jason Pizzo. Progressive policies have led to rising crime, uncontrolled spending, recurring fiscal shortfalls, higher taxes, and visible mismanagement. These outcomes do not remain siloed in one particular Democratic-controlled city or state. Instead, they are synthesized in the minds of voters as reflections of Democratic governance as a whole."

Why the Democratic Party Can't Moderate | Compact

Not when the bigoted left has it by the...



When has the Democratic Party not been bigoted?

The only difference between Dems of the 1800s and today is that they have embraced collectivism as a way to achieve their bigoted goals.
93MarineHorn
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I'm not being melodramatic, but the "far left" is simply the left now. AOC, Newsom, Bernie, Warren, Mamdani...are party leaders because they are the most popular with MOST Dems. Obama created this Frankenstein and it won't obey its old master anymore. The party isn't hostage to its radical base, it has become its radical base. Moderate Dems are now the fringe as the woke mind virus has reached saturation.
YouBet
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93MarineHorn said:

I'm not being melodramatic, but the "far left" is simply the left now. AOC, Newsom, Bernie, Warren, Mamdani...are party leaders because they are the most popular with MOST Dems. Obama created this Frankenstein and it won't obey its old master anymore. The party isn't hostage to its radical base, it has become its radical base. Moderate Dems are now the fringe as the woke mind virus has reached saturation.


Correct and you see in their polls where a third of all Democrats identify as Marxists and close to half of the younger ones (<35) do.

The future of that party is one that will lead to oppression and violence which we obviously already see manifested by their fringe groups via antifa and trans people.
rocky the dog
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
Phatbob
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No.

"Progressive"... it's right there in the name. They can't decide to be "Regressive." If they even try, the already wackos will get even more violent.
4stringAg
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Progressivism thrives on grievance. Thus they've created and fostered a victim culture with multiple victim groups feeding at the same trough of collectivism. Its fuel is white liberal guilt. As long as that is paying the bills, they won't moderate.
aggiehawg
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I have been speculating about this for a few years now. With history as a guide, go back to the years between 1968 and roughly 1974.

The Democratic primaries in 1968 were a complete crap show, culminating with the debacle at the Chicago convention. The PTB at the time put George McGovern in charge of addressing those issues. He took the party sharply left, in delegate selection as well as candidates recruited with the creation of superdelegates.

He was rewarded with the nomination in 1972 and was wiped out by Nixon in that election. Party was very fractured. In steps Richard Strauss as DNC chair and he immediately steers the party back to the center with moderates. That resulted in Jimmy Carter and an electoral victory in 1976.

Looking around, there are no moderates such as Strauss wih enough gravitas nor financial support to corral the party back to the center. The ones who arguably could have provided that function are either too old (Pelosi) or have been co-opted by the left out of expediency (Schumer).

Throw nearly a few decades of massive mismanagement with awful DNC chairs and there isn't anyone to right that ship.
Tea Party
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aggiehawg said:

Throw nearly a few decades of massive mismanagement with awful DNC chairs and there isn't anyone to right that ship.

Some ships shouldn't be righted and should be allowed to crash.
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aggiehawg said:

I have been speculating about this for a few years now. With history as a guide, go back to the years between 1968 and roughly 1974.

The Democratic primaries in 1968 were a complete crap show, culminating with the debacle at the Chicago convention. The PTB at the time put George McGovern in charge of addressing those issues. He took the party sharply left, in delegate selection as well as candidates recruited with the creation of superdelegates.

He was rewarded with the nomination in 1972 and was wiped out by Nixon in that election. Party was very fractured. In steps Richard Strauss as DNC chair and he immediately steers the party back to the center with moderates. That resulted in Jimmy Carter and an electoral victory in 1976.

Looking around, there are no moderates such as Strauss wih enough gravitas nor financial support to corral the party back to the center. The ones who arguably could have provided that function are either too old (Pelosi) or have been co-opted by the left out of expediency (Schumer).

Throw nearly a few decades of massive mismanagement with awful DNC chairs and there isn't anyone to right that ship.


Yes, but the party itself is no longer moderate anyway or moderate with enough numbers to matter. In theory, they can't move back to the middle and win unless Virgina is their strategy and everyday Democrats are clever enough to know if they vote for a moderate candidate that they will then immediately govern as a Marxist. This will require their openly Marxist contingent to go along with the deception during the general election knowing this is the real plan.

This will also require the actual, feckless dumbass moderates in this country to not be stupid enough to vote Democrat thinking they will actually be moderate.

It's a really interesting conundrum if I remove my personal feelings of disgust of all of these people from the situation.
GeorgiAg
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short answer: No.

I will vote for Vance, Rubio, DeSantis or whomever is the candidate in 2028. And R for Senate 2026. I'm really tired of Trump but like the policy decisions. It will be so much better when he's gone.
aggiehawg
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Yes, but the party itself is no longer moderate anyway or moderate with enough numbers to matter.

Agree. Strauss could do what he did because he acted fast after 1972.

But the time to do that pivot passed after 2012 when Obama was re-elected. The Clintons were not the answer and Obama sure as hell was never going to moderate as he became the elder statesman and de facto leader of the party.
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Owlagdad said:

How do you know democrats tell lies? Their lips are moving!
Obama was moderate until the day he took office.
Agreed, Obama lied about being moderate. Obama was the most unethical President until POS Biden arrived.
Obama was/is/and will continue to be an acolyte of Saul Alinsky.
https://thevoice.us/saul-alinsky-chicago-south-side-radical-influenced-obama/
quote from the article
-Barack Obama followed in Alynsky's footsteps decades later. He authored "Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals," a book Obama carried in his hip pocket as reference material or perhaps a political primer while doing social work in Chicago. Obama took Alynsky's book with him to the White House.
We really need to rewrite our laws concerning libel and slander.
1981 Monte Carlo
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YouBet said:

93MarineHorn said:

I'm not being melodramatic, but the "far left" is simply the left now. AOC, Newsom, Bernie, Warren, Mamdani...are party leaders because they are the most popular with MOST Dems. Obama created this Frankenstein and it won't obey its old master anymore. The party isn't hostage to its radical base, it has become its radical base. Moderate Dems are now the fringe as the woke mind virus has reached saturation.


Correct and you see in their polls where a third of all Democrats identify as Marxists and close to half of the younger ones (<35) do.

The future of that party is one that will lead to oppression and violence which we obviously already see manifested by their fringe groups via antifa and trans people.

Yep, and also in polls where virtually all of them wanted those who simply desired to make their own medical decisions re: an experimental trash "vaccine" to lose their jobs, and for their families to suffer greatly.

50% supported harsh fines or imprisonment for those who "questioned the efficacy of the vaccine" or "spread dangerous misinformation"

60% supported forced quarantine for those who refused.

And THIRTY PERCENT wanted your children taken away until you complied.

YouBet
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1981 Monte Carlo said:

YouBet said:

93MarineHorn said:

I'm not being melodramatic, but the "far left" is simply the left now. AOC, Newsom, Bernie, Warren, Mamdani...are party leaders because they are the most popular with MOST Dems. Obama created this Frankenstein and it won't obey its old master anymore. The party isn't hostage to its radical base, it has become its radical base. Moderate Dems are now the fringe as the woke mind virus has reached saturation.


Correct and you see in their polls where a third of all Democrats identify as Marxists and close to half of the younger ones (<35) do.

The future of that party is one that will lead to oppression and violence which we obviously already see manifested by their fringe groups via antifa and trans people.

Yep, and also in polls where virtually all of them wanted those who simply desired to make their own medical decisions re: an experimental trash "vaccine" to lose their jobs, and for their families to suffer greatly.

50% supported harsh fines or imprisonment for those who "questioned the efficacy of the vaccine" or "spread dangerous misinformation"

60% supported forced quarantine for those who refused.

And THIRTY PERCENT wanted your children taken away until you complied.




They are American Maoists. I doubt most of them even know who that is though.
King of the Dairy Queen
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i would settle for them to say its bad to kill your political enemies, cant even do that.
Queso1
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Science Denier said:

Democrats moderate?
EVER?

The party of slavery?
The party of Jim Crow?

LOL


Do you truly believe that the modern left would support those things? I do not. I realize historically the democrats supported this, but to associate the modern left with these positions is not correct.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not left or even center in my politics but trying to associate the modern left with these things is factually wrong.
They paid for their wars with your tax dollars and also with your untaxed dollars. Inflation is theft.
Ellis Wyatt
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It is a marxist party. The Marxists are in total control. It cannot moderate. It is lost.
Ellis Wyatt
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CDUB98 said:

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Progressive policies have led to rising crime, uncontrolled spending, recurring fiscal shortfalls, higher taxes, and visible mismanagement.

And yet, the blithering idiots continue to vote for them.
At some point, we have to accept that they are also Marxists. We have some here who will never let go.
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Queso1 said:

Science Denier said:

Democrats moderate?
EVER?

The party of slavery?
The party of Jim Crow?

LOL


Do you truly believe that the modern left would support those things? I do not.
They ARE. Now.
Science Denier
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Queso1 said:

Science Denier said:

Democrats moderate?
EVER?

The party of slavery?
The party of Jim Crow?

LOL


Do you truly believe that the modern left would support those things? I do not. I realize historically the democrats supported this, but to associate the modern left with these positions is not correct.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not left or even center in my politics but trying to associate the modern left with these things is factually wrong.

The point is the libs have always been extreme. No, they wont support slavery today, but they now turned their lunacy into what is a woman and men can get pregnant.
Queso1
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How so?
They paid for their wars with your tax dollars and also with your untaxed dollars. Inflation is theft.
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CDUB98 said:

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Progressive policies have led to rising crime, uncontrolled spending, recurring fiscal shortfalls, higher taxes, and visible mismanagement.

And yet, the blithering idiots continue to vote for them.

Well stupid is as stupid does.
CDUB98
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I long ago accepted they are Communists.
American Hardwood
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You are wrong. They still keep slaves, they just use welfare and social programs instead of whips and chains.
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
Ellis Wyatt
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Well, they also allow human trafficking of…slaves. And they want more and are shutting down the government to keep slaves.
American Hardwood
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I won't argue against that point
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
LOYAL AG
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Queso1 said:

Science Denier said:

Democrats moderate?
EVER?

The party of slavery?
The party of Jim Crow?

LOL


Do you truly believe that the modern left would support those things? I do not. I realize historically the democrats supported this, but to associate the modern left with these positions is not correct.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not left or even center in my politics but trying to associate the modern left with these things is factually wrong.


I've said for 20 years that black America has traded racist white Democrats on the cotton plantation for racist white democrats on the government plantation. They are still in large part controlled by racist white Democrats. The Democrats have always been the party of discrimination. 200 years ago with slavery. 100 years ago with Jim Crow. Today with "minorities aren't smart enough to figure out how to get an ID" and "minorities can't compete with whitey so vote for us to get free ****". Nothing has really changed with that party.
Cru
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No they cannot. They call evil good and good evil. You can't get to that point and come back from it as a group.
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