Nixon was spied on by the joint chiefs and the Pentagon.

The military industrial complex helped bring him down

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The answer fills an important gap in the record of the Nixon era and carries significance for our own. The classified portion of the grand jury transcript, obtained by Times Opinion, bears directly on allegations by President Trump and his supporters about the existence of what was once called the permanent bureaucracy, better known today as the "deep state.

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The Moorer-Radford affair, as the episode became known, constituted a unique constitutional crisis. Over 13 months, in wartime, an enlisted man stole an estimated 5,000 documents, most of them classified, from the N.S.C. and delivered them to the nation's top uniformed commanders.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/08/opinion/trump-nixon-watergate-radford.html?unlocked_article_code=1.LlA.gb7x.csR6jkOHTF43&smid=nytcore-ios-share

Just incredible

Nixon got a raw deal. Commies had it out for him even when he was VP under Eisenhower.

Oh and the election in 1960 was stolen, too.

What the Obama administration did to Trump was far worse than what Nixon did and allegedly did, and its not close. And none of them will suffer any consequences.

Nixon had his issues, but he was a great statesman. His foreign policy had a a few holes, but was otherwise exceptional.

Nixon got railroaded by history I guess because of the novelty of "public scandal" and the emergence of slander media at the time. The scandals we are currently dealing with in this current admin are orders of magnitude greater than anything Nixon did.

Just throwing this out there.....

Has the "Deep State" ever run a "Backdoor Opp" or and end-around on a DemocRAT POTUS, ever in our lifetime? The Obamnunist was the Supreme Leader and without fail, but Clinton?, Carter?, Kennedy?, LBJ?......all seemed to get a pass.

Edit to change the order of DemocRAT POTUS, but LBJ got one hell of a pass...

There are a lot of people that believe the deep state was involved with JFK' and RFK's deaths

Here's a link from Joe Rogan interviewing Bill Murray when they discuss Bob Woodard's book about John Belushi. After 5 pages he said "Oh my God, they framed Nixon".



There is more to it than this clip, if you are interested.

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Here's a link from Joe Rogan interviewing Bill Murray when they discuss Bob Woodard's book about John Belushi. After 5 pages he said "Oh my God, they framed Nixon".



There is more to it than this clip, if you are interested.

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I grew up thinking All The President's Men was legit historical non-fiction (movie embellishments aside) until I became older and A) realized how biased Hollywood and the media are and B) just how unhinged Woodward's takes on recent issues are. I was 8 months old when Nixon resigned, but everything I've learned since suggests the left can't be trusted to tell the truth about anything.

He truly wasn't a crook.

And I feel guilty for having believed he was one.

He has been vindicated. And is amongst the greatest Presidents.

The commies were already doing their thing and we had no idea what was happening.
As a side, what Nixon did would barely register now.

Was listening to Joe Rogan the other day, and via an interview that he conducted with Tucker Carlson, it comes out that the FBI and CIA were both behind the process of setting him up. Bob Woodward goes from being a Navy Intelligence Officer to a cub reporter and gets the story of a lifetime handed to him.

I was in junior high during Watergate. My dad said if he were Nixon he'd take all the tapes and other items and burn them on the White House lawn in front of everyone.

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Was listening to Joe Rogan the other day, and via an interview that he conducted with Tucker Carlson, it comes out that the FBI and CIA were both behind the process of setting him up. Bob Woodward goes from being a Navy Intelligence Officer to a cub reporter and gets the story of a lifetime handed to him.

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All because Mark Felt was pissed off over being passed over for a promotion

Nixon had his moments as a good president but his paranoia did him in. He put the wrong people in power around him and then allowed them to use his paranoia to their benefit. Nixon wasn't innocent and he could have easily avoided many of the issue surrounding his downfall but that would mean he'd have to be a different Nixon.

Appears his paranoia was justified to some degree as the joint chiefs .the Pentagon, the cia and others were indeed spying on him

eisenhower knew the truth.

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Nixon got railroaded by history I guess because of the novelty of "public scandal" and the emergence of slander media at the time. The scandals we are currently dealing with in this current admin are orders of magnitude greater than anything Nixon did.

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I've been saying something similar for decades now. If the Clinton scandal happened back when Nixon was president, there would have been a very different outcome for Bill. Likewise, if Watergate happened today, no one would bat an eye.

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eisenhower knew the truth.

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It would appear that perhaps all of them through perhaps Truman knew. Eisenhower did warn of it though.

The deep state is real. That is obvious since its just another name for the bureaucratic blob that exists.

The fact that it can be nefarious and it can completely disregard congress, the president, the constitution and the american people is the obvious and real problem. It got Nixon impeached. It probably killed jfk.

Its alive now

There's another factor, J. Edgar Hoover. No one could control nor rein him in. Despite the Attorney Generals being his boss, he pretty much ignored them and did what he wanted. No President dared to fire him, his blackmail material was so voluminous on all political figures, including Nixon.

Nixon maintained a cordial relationship with Hoover but a wary one. Nixon was afraid of Hoover which is exactly what Hoover wanted, power. I am not saying Hoover was involved in JFK's assassination but it wouldn't surprise me if he implied that he was just to gain even more power. If he could take down a President? Who would want to cross him?

And that attitude of Hoover's could have trickled down to Mark Felt after Hoover died in 1972.

Also, interesting fact out of the article that wasn't previously known-

When Nixon found out about the dod, etal spying on him, he didn't not make it public because he wanted to protect the military because, despite his opinion that all the generals were scoundrels, he found it more important to not disrupt the military institution during wartime.

Nixon and his guys definitely spied on his opponents. It appears it was a trap.

Hoover was dirty, dirty, dirty. It was just our luck he was often on the side of the good guys, but if people really knew what he was capable of the FBI would have way less power today and Hoovers name would not be on the HQ.

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Hoover was dirty, dirty, dirty. It was just our luck he was often on the side of the good guys, but if people really knew what he was capable of the FBI would have way less power today and Hoovers name would not be on the HQ.

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Agreed. No one wanted another Hoover which is why the Directors have ten year fixed terms.

I know this comment will get lost, but I now have about 50 years of occasional dealings with the news media.

I have noticed that literally every time I have had personal knowledge of some news story, the news story that is reported has been wrong. Every now and then I will talk to somebody who has personal knowledge of a new story and they will say that it was wrong. I've pointed it out to my children when there is occasionally some story that they have personal knowledge of.

And then I say, what does that tell you about the rest of the stories that you are reading?

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Just throwing this out there.....

Has the "Deep State" ever run a "Backdoor Opp" or and end-around on a DemocRAT POTUS, ever in our lifetime? The Obamnunist was the Supreme Leader and without fail, but Clinton?, Carter?, Kennedy?, LBJ?......all seemed to get a pass.

Edit to change the order of DemocRAT POTUS, but LBJ got one hell of a pass...

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You don't have to run back door ops on people who are working for you…so no to your question. They didn't run back door ops on either Bush

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Was listening to Joe Rogan the other day, and via an interview that he conducted with Tucker Carlson, it comes out that the FBI and CIA were both behind the process of setting him up. Bob Woodward goes from being a Navy Intelligence Officer to a cub reporter and gets the story of a lifetime handed to him.

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It was his FIRST story. Prior Naval Intelligence, conveniently goes into journalism, and get handed this on a silver platter? None of it adds up except the obvious

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I know this comment will get lost, but I now have about 50 years of occasional dealings with the news media.

I have noticed that literally every time I have had personal knowledge of some news story, the news story that is reported has been wrong. Every now and then I will talk to somebody who has personal knowledge of a new story and they will say that it was wrong. I've pointed it out to my children when there is occasionally some story that they have personal knowledge of.

And then I say, what does that tell you about the rest of the stories that you are reading?

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In college in the 80s I had a summer job that took me to remote locations, and I was so busy I rarely saw any TV. Every couple of weeks I would buy a weekend newspaper just to catch up. One day we were all talking about what we liked/didn't like about the job, and I said "I miss seeing the news every evening.". My boss who was about 50 at the time said, "Nah. I don't watch the news because it is so biased."

The older I got, the more I understood what he was talking about.

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What the Obama administration did to Trump was far worse than what Nixon did and allegedly did, and its not close. And none of them will suffer any consequences.

Nixon had his issues, but he was a great statesman. His foreign policy had a a few holes, but was otherwise exceptional.

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Literally ran a coup against Trump based on completely manufactured b.s. and nothing happened to anyone. And then throw in the Deep State actions and diversions to help Biden and the Democrats and it's all really quite incredible.

The USA is corrupt shell of a once great country.

this has been known for decades.

Its kind of crazy the alternate realities people live in. People really believe anyhting because they saw it in a movie or a leftist historian wrote it in a book.

We all see what liberals do to mainstream news daily, just think what they have done to mainstream history.

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this has been known for decades.

Its kind of crazy the alternate realities people live in. People really believe anyhting because they saw it in a movie or a leftist historian wrote it in a book.

We all see what liberals do to mainstream news daily, just think what they have done to mainstream history.

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Literally nobody is ready for that conversation

Nixon would have not been taken down by the state if not for Kissinger.

The CIA and the Pentagon were very unhappy that Kissinger and Nixon were making their own decisions and didn't care if other opinions were listened to. The trip to China was a big deal in that regard.

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this has been known for decades.

Its kind of crazy the alternate realities people live in. People really believe anyhting because they saw it in a movie or a leftist historian wrote it in a book.

We all see what liberals do to mainstream news daily, just think what they have done to mainstream history.

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The CIA has been in the movie making business since 1954 and the founding of Touchstone pictures to fund Animal Farm.

They have more or less owned National Geographic for decades.

Sometime in the late 1980s they realized people take as the gospel anything shown in a documentary and started making that type of media left and right. Literally left and right as they make content for both sides.

Music and art has also been their playground. Jackson Pollock, Rap funding etc.



Finding things that haven't been coopted for some sort of psy op is difficult.

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To avoid speculation and criticism (after all, why would the government fund such "pointless" art?), much of the CIA's effort to promote Abstract Expressionism was funneled through MoMA. For nearly two decades, the museum tirelessly promoted American art in both New York and in exhibitions abroad, showcasing the works of Jackson Pollock, Mark Rothko, Willem de Kooning, Franz Kline, and others.

Even more covert was the CIA's creation of the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a Paris-based organization that appeared grassroots and artist-run, but behind the scenes had Langley's fingerprints all over it. At its peak, it operated in 35 countries, running magazines, art exhibitions, concerts, and awards programs. It became one of the most ambitious and influential cultural propaganda efforts of the Cold Waruntil its exposure in 1967. The revelation left many artists and patrons feeling deeply manipulated. Especially considering that many of them, including Pollock himself, held communist and anarchist beliefs. Still, the project had achieved its aims. By the 1970s, Abstract Expressionism hung on museum walls around the world and had recentered the art world from Paris to New York.

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Ve vil decide vat art you like. Ve vil decide vat music you like. Ve vil decide your opinions for you by making documentaries. Dah. Now go back to the TV and await further instruction pig.

I wasnt even a trump voter until i saw how he was treated by the unelected state on behalf of the democratic party. Radicalized me. Trump has been overtly targeted for prison and assassination, way worse than anything nixon dealt with (thought they likely threatened him with prosecution if he didnt resign)

The night that President Nixon resigned, my sister & I were finishing up another summer with our grandparents in New Orleans, and as it was happening, we were outside playing with neighborhood kids.

Our grandfather came out into the front yard & called my sister & I over. When we got to him, he suddenly pulled the garden hose out from where he'd concealed it behind his back and proceeded to spray both of us down as if we'd been on fire. My sis & I were both as, "WTF!" as 11 & 12 year-olds can be, but our grandfather dropped the hose, grabbed us, hugged us close. then said, "You can't ever forget what happened tonight, and now you won't,"

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The night that President Nixon resigned, my sister & I were finishing up another summer with our grandparents in New Orleans, and as it was happening, we were outside playing with neighborhood kids.

Our grandfather came out into the front yard & called my sister & I over. When we got to him, he suddenly pulled the garden hose out from where he'd concealed it behind his back and proceeded to spray both of us down as if we'd been on fire. My sis & I were both as, "WTF!" as 11 & 12 year-olds can be, but our grandfather dropped the hose, grabbed us, hugged us close. then said, "You can't ever forget what happened tonight, and now you won't,"

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I was 15. Saw it on TV that he was resigning and hopped on my ten speed and went for a bike ride to think about what had happened and why. I was not a fan of Nixon but after JFK, then RFK and LBJ pulling out relatively late in 1968 I was wondering who is actually running things?

I've always considered him more of a moderate. Not really someone I'd have chosen had I been around at the time he was running. I can see why Reagan was seen as such a breath of fresh air after Nixon and Ford.

But I think Nixon is the perfect example of how people love to unfairly "manufacture" an enemy. He wasn't youthful and good looking like the Kennedys. His looks and facial expressions made it easy to paint him as a bad guy. He was no more secretive than any politician or leader. But the media wanted an enemy at a time of unrest in our country and they got it. Never mind the corruption that was going on in other places.

No doubt that what Nixon did was child's play compared to things the Clintons, Obamas, and Bidens got away with. But yet Nixon was the standard "bad guy" used by Democrats and the media for years until George W. Bush and Trump came along.

The whole "Nixon was worse than everyone" narrative has always seemed manufactured to me.